Well sir,here is a little tidbit i would HOPE goes through people's minds before handing over money to a game developer.
If the developer themselves don't believe in their own game enough to put their own life on the line,then why on earth would anyone be naive enough to trust in the game?
These devs are real quick to take YOUR money,heck it doesn't take any effort at all to take your money and guess what,there is no risk at all taking your money.
Here is the real kick in the face of stupidity....
The devs and their lawyers are smart enough to label these as "donations"you are not purchasing anything,you are not entitles to anything,you are basically handing money over to someone on the street you don't even know.
The MOST money ....EVER crowd funded is Star Citizen,does that game look like a 200-300 million dollar game?LMAO....HELL NO ,it looks barely like an Indie game.So why do so many continue to hand over money to mickey mouse developers?
I will repeat...REAL developers can get their own money.
Well to be fair, Caspien has frequently described his development team in Roleplaying Terms. Thus the coining of the phrase in my signature.
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I'm surprised they couldn't provide enough land for everyone with a game where the land is entirely imaginary. Did they run out of power to make up more map space or something?
It's so nonsensical that I think "They did this on purpose so they could sell Count Upgrade Packs" is the most probable answer.
SBS has slowly begun to act more "corporate". But you know who are the real losers? The backers, especially those that just eat it up and mitigate their contribution to a pipe-dream that they helped fund all because of some other yes-men that convince them that getting shafted is normal.
How people can accept blatant disrespect towards their own donations that sustain SBS financially is one thing, how they can nudge others to accept this loser-like mentality is an insight to how truly pathetic their convictions are. Is it that hard to type a simple "I paid in good faith for the product I was shown, I'm not an investor, but I helped fund your dream, and that must count for something".
I know for a fact this is one of many issues to come, and with these issues will be those that say "First of all, SBS, I love you, and I wish I could suck you off, but I just get just a tiny feeling that, you know... this is uhhh, just a little unexpected, but im okay with this because games take time ". These are the type that sink entire civilizations because of their unwillingness to say the right thing and their secret fetish to get backhanded and spat on.
Just remember, 6mil and counting from god knows how many people. The attitude has shifted to them almost thinking they were entitled to the 6mil by default, and this is the behavior of a studio still reliant on player-base support to shelter their children and provide them with healthcare. I wonder what they'll be pulling once they do get an investor.
And for the record, I think people might start wishing Caspian was hanging from the ceiling (l don't wish for this) citing the DDoS attacks, death threats, souring public opinion. There is one GIGANTIC problem with CoE's community being so tight-knit, that if SBS burns one, they burn all. The backlash from everyone that's put in the time/effort/money/gifts towards SBS would be 10-fold. The more tightly bound the electrons, the more energy released when you break them off. Good analogy?
OldFart, the BBB and the advocacy groups is a good idea, you could try small claims, but if their office isn't in your state then I don't think small claims would let you sue them, but would be worth looking into, I don't know the rules of your state. Ofc the badgering Caspian suggestion is good too. Hope there is a class action you can jump on if CoE's outcome warrants it.
I know for a fact this is one of many issues to come, and with these issues will be those that say "First of all, SBS, I love you, and I wish I could suck you off, but I just get just a tiny feeling that, you know... this is uhhh, just a little unexpected, but im okay with this because games take time ". These are the type that sink entire civilizations because of their unwillingness to say the right thing and their secret fetish to get backhanded and spat on.
Don't know why you are surprised. You just described the Left wing establishment in the Western world which apparently makes up 70% of the population because 50% of the "right" are practically left wing.
"Oh Mr Politician, sir, I see all the stress on our public health services, housing, roads, police, schools from your open border policies, and legislative attempts to silence debate on the matter, while suppressing the wages of the most vulnerable in our society and exposing them to higher crime rates so that private shareholders can make larger profits, but if you are sure it is for a good cause... I would not want to be thought a racist."
This is why nintendo remains the best gaming company. While they are a big company, they retain their indie roots with unique and fun games.
And then you get games like this, where daybreak games again messes up and scams people. Its why sony let them go because they were ruining their name and hurting playstation sales
Err, I think you may have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque, no Daybreak games here.
Regarding Nintendo, that friendly "indie" company you speak of rigorously persecutes anyone they feel infringe on their IP / copyrights including rapid play streamers and those who share gameplay details they don't approve of.
But all way off topic, SBS isn't anything like these major companies, more like a comedy troupe roleplaying game developers.
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SBS has slowly begun to act more "corporate". But you know who are the real losers? The backers, especially those that just eat it up and mitigate their contribution to a pipe-dream that they helped fund all because of some other yes-men that convince them that getting shafted is normal.
How people can accept blatant disrespect towards their own donations that sustain SBS financially is one thing, how they can nudge others to accept this loser-like mentality is an insight to how truly pathetic their convictions are. Is it that hard to type a simple "I paid in good faith for the product I was shown, I'm not an investor, but I helped fund your dream, and that must count for something".
I know for a fact this is one of many issues to come, and with these issues will be those that say "First of all, SBS, I love you, and I wish I could suck you off, but I just get just a tiny feeling that, you know... this is uhhh, just a little unexpected, but im okay with this because games take time ". These are the type that sink entire civilizations because of their unwillingness to say the right thing and their secret fetish to get backhanded and spat on.
Just remember, 6mil and counting from god knows how many people. The attitude has shifted to them almost thinking they were entitled to the 6mil by default, and this is the behavior of a studio still reliant on player-base support to shelter their children and provide them with healthcare. I wonder what they'll be pulling once they do get an investor.
And for the record, I think people might start wishing Caspian was hanging from the ceiling (l don't wish for this) citing the DDoS attacks, death threats, souring public opinion. There is one GIGANTIC problem with CoE's community being so tight-knit, that if SBS burns one, they burn all. The backlash from everyone that's put in the time/effort/money/gifts towards SBS would be 10-fold. The more tightly bound the electrons, the more energy released when you break them off. Good analogy?
OldFart, the BBB and the advocacy groups is a good idea, you could try small claims, but if their office isn't in your state then I don't think small claims would let you sue them, but would be worth looking into, I don't know the rules of your state. Ofc the badgering Caspian suggestion is good too. Hope there is a class action you can jump on if CoE's outcome warrants it.
Most importantly, good luck.
Thank you, unfortunately it's harder because I'm from the UK. I might look into small claims court and taking them there myself.
It's not hard in the UK and plenty of advocate groups. The law for online selling also protects the consumer quite well over here.
Thank you, unfortunately it's harder because I'm from the UK. I might look into small claims court and taking them there myself.
It's not hard in the UK and plenty of advocate groups. The law for online selling also protects the consumer quite well over here.
If you're thinking that you might want to sue, I'd suggest sending CoE devs an e-mail where you complain that you were sold a town or a stronghold, and a village or a hamlet is not acceptable. If they can't provide you with a town or a stronghold in the upcoming settlement selection, you'd be up to negotiating about a compensation or a partial refund, and also as per Kickstarter terms they may give you full refund.
But I think you might get stuck into a situation where there is at least one town at some crappy location that no-one wants that you could select for yourself. You unfortunately can't sue and win against CoE because "there's not enough towns for every mayor", you'd need to get into a situation where all of them are selected so that you can't choose any.
Thank you, unfortunately it's harder because I'm from the UK. I might look into small claims court and taking them there myself.
It's not hard in the UK and plenty of advocate groups. The law for online selling also protects the consumer quite well over here.
If you're thinking that you might want to sue, I'd suggest sending CoE devs an e-mail where you complain that you were sold a town or a stronghold, and a village or a hamlet is not acceptable. If they can't provide you with a town or a stronghold in the upcoming settlement selection, you'd be up to negotiating about a compensation or a partial refund, and also as per Kickstarter terms they may give you full refund.
But I think you might get stuck into a situation where there is at least one town at some crappy location that no-one wants that you could select for yourself. You unfortunately can't sue and win against CoE because "there's not enough towns for every mayor", you'd need to get into a situation where all of them are selected so that you can't choose any.
This Vrika guy gives good advice i must say. Especially the part about them possibly breaching the terms with the things they promised during kickstarter and I think e-mailing them your request is a good idea for future necessities.
Suddenly, this thread sounds like D's livestream LOL. GL everyone
I'm surprised they couldn't provide enough land for everyone with a game where the land is entirely imaginary. Did they run out of power to make up more map space or something?
It's so nonsensical that I think "They did this on purpose so they could sell Count Upgrade Packs" is the most probable answer.
Yeah it's like some Second Life/ Entropia kind of crap, only it would force land into the thousands of RL dollars do to rarity, like a commodity.
Good faith, this is a concept that many gaming software companies seem to have an issue understanding. You have to live up to the hype you sold, barons and mayors do not run villages.
Good faith, this is a concept that many gaming software companies seem to have an issue understanding. You have to live up to the hype you sold, barons and mayors do not run villages.
Sure they do, here's a village I'm well familar with which has a Mayor at the head of its board. (Guess the local Baron isn't on it)
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I think it’s a question of mechanics and whether you call it a town , village, stronghold, settlement and whether it’s run by a Baron, Mayor, Village Idiot... everyone who bought the same package should have access to the same mechanics.
This is important because SbS in their infinite wisdom has decided that only Towns of a certain size can have a Townhall which has the device to manage a settlement.
People stuck in smaller holdings will not have access to that tool. That’s a pretty big deal.
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I think it’s a question of mechanics and whether you call it a town , village, stronghold, settlement and whether it’s run by a Baron, Mayor, Village Idiot... everyone who bought the same package should have access to the same mechanics.
This is important because SbS in their infinite wisdom has decided that only Towns of a certain size can have a Townhall which has the device to manage a settlement.
People stuck in smaller holdings will not have access to that tool. That’s a pretty big deal.
I like the Village Idiot title. I think you get it for free if you spend any kind of money on the game at this point. Cheapest title out there and applicable in real life too. Much good, very wow.
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'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I'm still surprised people thought it would be an actual game when they said 3 years after hitting their original KS goal that the money was to create a prototype so they could show it to 'real investors.'
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Good faith, this is a concept that many gaming software companies seem to have an issue understanding. You have to live up to the hype you sold, barons and mayors do not run villages.
Sure they do, here's a village I'm well familar with which has a Mayor at the head of its board. (Guess the local Baron isn't on it)
I can't speak for the US, you guys do all sorts of crazy stuff. In the UK we only have 24 mayors, that's should give you an idea of how important the job is, villages or hamlets don't get a look in.
Good faith, this is a concept that many gaming software companies seem to have an issue understanding. You have to live up to the hype you sold, barons and mayors do not run villages.
Sure they do, here's a village I'm well familar with which has a Mayor at the head of its board. (Guess the local Baron isn't on it)
I can't speak for the US, you guys do all sorts of crazy stuff. In the UK we only have 24 mayors, that's should give you an idea of how important the job is, villages or hamlets don't get a look in.
Good faith, this is a concept that many gaming software companies seem to have an issue understanding. You have to live up to the hype you sold, barons and mayors do not run villages.
Sure they do, here's a village I'm well familar with which has a Mayor at the head of its board. (Guess the local Baron isn't on it)
I can't speak for the US, you guys do all sorts of crazy stuff. In the UK we only have 24 mayors, that's should give you an idea of how important the job is, villages or hamlets don't get a look in.
Yeah, we often dilute the meanings of words, Mayors can run a 50 person town or NYC.
Nearest US correlation to UK mayors is the city of Jacksonville which annexed the county it is located in (Duval) and its Mayor replaced the County Commission .
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I'm surprised they couldn't provide enough land for everyone with a game where the land is entirely imaginary. Did they run out of power to make up more map space or something?
It's so nonsensical that I think "They did this on purpose so they could sell Count Upgrade Packs" is the most probable answer.
Yeah it's like some Second Life/ Entropia kind of crap, only it would force land into the thousands of RL dollars do to rarity, like a commodity.
SecondLife costed a little over 10k for initial reservation and around 1.2k a month for a 256m x 256m area. Though this is kind of a misleadingly large area since players ended up morphing their avatars to be 2.5 meters tall (over 7 ft), ran at 18m/s, and flew at 25m/s (so it was tiny). Oftentimes even bigger/faster than that with script assistance.
If anything my personal experience with being a scripter in SecondLife this game is "undervaluing" land, compared to what people are willing to pay. (I rented sublet areas with my in game income and when I quit I withdrew enough to pay for a semester of college books).
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It's so nonsensical that I think "They did this on purpose so they could sell Count Upgrade Packs" is the most probable answer.
SBS has slowly begun to act more "corporate". But you know who are the real losers? The backers, especially those that just eat it up and mitigate their contribution to a pipe-dream that they helped fund all because of some other yes-men that convince them that getting shafted is normal.
How people can accept blatant disrespect towards their own donations that sustain SBS financially is one thing, how they can nudge others to accept this loser-like mentality is an insight to how truly pathetic their convictions are. Is it that hard to type a simple "I paid in good faith for the product I was shown, I'm not an investor, but I helped fund your dream, and that must count for something".
I know for a fact this is one of many issues to come, and with these issues will be those that say "First of all, SBS, I love you, and I wish I could suck you off, but I just get just a tiny feeling that, you know... this is uhhh, just a little unexpected, but im okay with this because games take time
Just remember, 6mil and counting from god knows how many people. The attitude has shifted to them almost thinking they were entitled to the 6mil by default, and this is the behavior of a studio still reliant on player-base support to shelter their children and provide them with healthcare. I wonder what they'll be pulling once they do get an investor.
And for the record, I think people might start wishing Caspian was hanging from the ceiling (l don't wish for this) citing the DDoS attacks, death threats, souring public opinion. There is one GIGANTIC problem with CoE's community being so tight-knit, that if SBS burns one, they burn all. The backlash from everyone that's put in the time/effort/money/gifts towards SBS would be 10-fold. The more tightly bound the electrons, the more energy released when you break them off. Good analogy?
OldFart, the BBB and the advocacy groups is a good idea, you could try small claims, but if their office isn't in your state then I don't think small claims would let you sue them, but would be worth looking into, I don't know the rules of your state. Ofc the badgering Caspian suggestion is good too. Hope there is a class action you can jump on if CoE's outcome warrants it.
Most importantly, good luck.
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Sorry, can't help myself. It's one of those days.
Regarding Nintendo, that friendly "indie" company you speak of rigorously persecutes anyone they feel infringe on their IP / copyrights including rapid play streamers and those who share gameplay details they don't approve of.
But all way off topic, SBS isn't anything like these major companies, more like a comedy troupe roleplaying game developers.
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But I think you might get stuck into a situation where there is at least one town at some crappy location that no-one wants that you could select for yourself. You unfortunately can't sue and win against CoE because "there's not enough towns for every mayor", you'd need to get into a situation where all of them are selected so that you can't choose any.
Suddenly, this thread sounds like D's livestream LOL. GL everyone
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This is important because SbS in their infinite wisdom has decided that only Towns of a certain size can have a Townhall which has the device to manage a settlement.
People stuck in smaller holdings will not have access to that tool. That’s a pretty big deal.
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
More like a ... hamlet.
A hamlet?
It's very nice.
What's the difference?
Well, in a town, you control and can make settlements for miles around.
And in a hamlet?
We have a taffy pull every other Thursday.
Is that it?
And you get to say "hamlet." Rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it? Plus it has two syllables, whereas "town" has only one.
I think it's more than my taffy being pulled.
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In the UK we only have 24 mayors, that's should give you an idea of how important the job is, villages or hamlets don't get a look in.
Nearest US correlation to UK mayors is the city of Jacksonville which annexed the county it is located in (Duval) and its Mayor replaced the County Commission .
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If anything my personal experience with being a scripter in SecondLife this game is "undervaluing" land, compared to what people are willing to pay. (I rented sublet areas with my in game income and when I quit I withdrew enough to pay for a semester of college books).
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