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[Help] Looking for a new budget build

lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
I built my current pc in April 2011, and the only thing I have upgraded since then was the video card. Here are my current specs:

i5 2500k
GTX 770
16gigs DDR3 1600
Crappy motherboard
Crappy power supply

I have held off of building a new pc because what I have has worked pretty well for the games I typically play. But, recently I have been running into instances where I need to reduce my video settings to make games playable. Sooo, I figure it is probably time to upgrade.

I am not a streamer, I don't care about VR, and 1080p is just fine. I just want to be able to play my games without turning settings to low.

I am trying to stay under like $1,200, and I need to buy the following:

- Processor
- Motherboard
- Video card
- Memory
- Power supply
- Cooling (never done liquid cooling, but would be willing to try it out)
- Case

Would love any recommendations you guys can give. I haven't been keeping up with what is out there over the past 7-8 years. Also, I am horrible at cabling and hiding wires. So, whatever makes that process easier would be an extra benefit.

Thanks!

Playing - Minecraft, 7 Days To Die, Darkfall:ROA, Path of Exile

Waiting for - 

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  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 768
    all you need to change is your graph card to the better one all the rest of your spec is fine, cause I have pretty similar build but my card is 8G 1070ti, it pretty much can run any game at 60 fps my old card was 2G 710gt(this can't run most of the newer game). and new graph card actually means you need to change power supply to at least 750w because new graph card you need to power it up directly from the power supply, but the rest can stay the same until it gave out.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    edited October 2019
    Your CPU sure aged well.  Your video card sure didn't.  Anyway, here we go:

    https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600x/p/N82E16819113568
    https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157884
    https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-5700-rx5700-8g/p/N82E16814126328
    https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-ssr-550fx-550w/p/N82E16817151189
    https://www.newegg.com/geil-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820158755
    https://www.newegg.com/crucial-p1-1tb/p/N82E16820156199
    https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147237
    https://www.newegg.com/microsoft-windows-10-home-64-bit/p/N82E16832416892

    That comes to $1104, including shipping and before rebates.  I'm assuming that you use the stock CPU cooler that comes with the CPU.  AMD's stock coolers aren't great, but they sure are massively better than Intel's.  You could justify spending $50 on an air cooler if you really wanted to, but the only real reason to liquid cool your CPU is if you really want to liquid cool it.

    You didn't mention needing storage, but if you haven't upgraded it since 2011, you need a new SSD.  You also didn't mention a Windows license, but I threw one in anyway.  I'm not going to advocate software piracy.

    The cooler on that video card really isn't the best, but that's probably why the price tag is.  Do note the promo code; as of this writing, the card is $300, before a $20 rebate.  The power supply is fully modular, which will help with cabling.
    lilreap2k3
  • EQN13EQN13 Member UncommonPosts: 26
    edited October 2019
    on NZXT's web site, you can custom build a PC. Includes Legal windows and a good 2 Year  warranty and it upgradable. 
    https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1000&draft=8156629934
    Hopefully that link works. Really nice 510 glass case. I switched out the M.2 on the $1000 build to a 1TB and it's well under $1200 and you don't have to do anything but plug it in. and I went INTEL because I prefer them. AMD is still good as well. Intel benches better in gaming. 

    Or PCparkpicker is really decent too.  Lets you throw parts together easily. 

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGspb8

    That one hits $1180 without shipping. Also Intel.  I would go with the NZXT build personally. warranty and no worry about a single part being bad. That's really frustrating. I also went with a good MB and gold rated Power supply that is fully modular so no annoying extra power cables that aren't needed.  I also do not include DVD/CD drives. they are useless, to me. You may not agree. so you would have to add that to the cost. 

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    EQN13 said:
    on NZXT's web site, you can custom build a PC. Includes Legal windows and a good 2 Year  warranty and it upgradable. 
    https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1000&draft=8156629934
    Hopefully that link works. Really nice 510 glass case. I switched out the M.2 on the $1000 build to a 1TB and it's well under $1200 and you don't have to do anything but plug it in. and I went INTEL because I prefer them. AMD is still good as well. Intel benches better in gaming. 

    Or PCparkpicker is really decent too.  Lets you throw parts together easily. 

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGspb8

    That one hits $1180 without shipping. Also Intel.  I would go with the NZXT build personally. warranty and no worry about a single part being bad. That's really frustrating. I also went with a good MB and gold rated Power supply that is fully modular so no annoying extra power cables that aren't needed.  I also do not include DVD/CD drives. they are useless, to me. You may not agree. so you would have to add that to the cost. 

    Definitely do not agree that Intel is better for gaming now that the new Ryzen's are out.  Horrible build on the pcpartpicker.  
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Quizzical said:
    Your CPU sure aged well.  Your video card sure didn't.  Anyway, here we go:

    https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600x/p/N82E16819113568
    https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157884
    https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-5700-rx5700-8g/p/N82E16814126328
    https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-ssr-550fx-550w/p/N82E16817151189
    https://www.newegg.com/geil-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820158755
    https://www.newegg.com/crucial-p1-1tb/p/N82E16820156199
    https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147237
    https://www.newegg.com/microsoft-windows-10-home-64-bit/p/N82E16832416892

    That comes to $1104, including shipping and before rebates.  I'm assuming that you use the stock CPU cooler that comes with the CPU.  AMD's stock coolers aren't great, but they sure are massively better than Intel's.  You could justify spending $50 on an air cooler if you really wanted to, but the only real reason to liquid cool your CPU is if you really want to liquid cool it.

    You didn't mention needing storage, but if you haven't upgraded it since 2011, you need a new SSD.  You also didn't mention a Windows license, but I threw one in anyway.  I'm not going to advocate software piracy.

    The cooler on that video card really isn't the best, but that's probably why the price tag is.  Do note the promo code; as of this writing, the card is $300, before a $20 rebate.  The power supply is fully modular, which will help with cabling.
    That's a good build, but I'd try to get one of the RX 5700 cards with better cooling because that blower cooler can get really noisy during intensive gaming. Something like RX 5700 Strix is worth the extra money for how much quieter it can run.
     
  • lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
    Quizzical said:

    That comes to $1104, including shipping and before rebates.  I'm assuming that you use the stock CPU cooler that comes with the CPU.  AMD's stock coolers aren't great, but they sure are massively better than Intel's.  You could justify spending $50 on an air cooler if you really wanted to, but the only real reason to liquid cool your CPU is if you really want to liquid cool it.

    You didn't mention needing storage, but if you haven't upgraded it since 2011, you need a new SSD.  You also didn't mention a Windows license, but I threw one in anyway.  I'm not going to advocate software piracy.

    The cooler on that video card really isn't the best, but that's probably why the price tag is.  Do note the promo code; as of this writing, the card is $300, before a $20 rebate.  The power supply is fully modular, which will help with cabling.
    Thanks for the advice Quizz. I will check out the build you linked. In regards to the parts I left out, I currently have the following:

    - Coolermaster V8 for air cooling - Good cooling but takes up a ton of space. I had to remove my side case fan to fit it.
    - SanDisk 920gb SATA SSD - Not sure on exact model, and unable to look up the order for it as I paid cash. It is maybe 3 years old.
    - Windows 10 - I didn't include it, because I was planning on purchasing a copy regardless of the build specs.

    Playing - Minecraft, 7 Days To Die, Darkfall:ROA, Path of Exile

    Waiting for - 

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    edited October 2019
    Quizzical said:

    That comes to $1104, including shipping and before rebates.  I'm assuming that you use the stock CPU cooler that comes with the CPU.  AMD's stock coolers aren't great, but they sure are massively better than Intel's.  You could justify spending $50 on an air cooler if you really wanted to, but the only real reason to liquid cool your CPU is if you really want to liquid cool it.

    You didn't mention needing storage, but if you haven't upgraded it since 2011, you need a new SSD.  You also didn't mention a Windows license, but I threw one in anyway.  I'm not going to advocate software piracy.

    The cooler on that video card really isn't the best, but that's probably why the price tag is.  Do note the promo code; as of this writing, the card is $300, before a $20 rebate.  The power supply is fully modular, which will help with cabling.
    Thanks for the advice Quizz. I will check out the build you linked. In regards to the parts I left out, I currently have the following:

    - Coolermaster V8 for air cooling - Good cooling but takes up a ton of space. I had to remove my side case fan to fit it.
    - SanDisk 920gb SATA SSD - Not sure on exact model, and unable to look up the order for it as I paid cash. It is maybe 3 years old.
    - Windows 10 - I didn't include it, because I was planning on purchasing a copy regardless of the build specs.
    If you don't use your old computer for anything, you could still use that old SSD, and Windows 10 license can also normally be transferred to another PC if you just link it to your Microsoft account.

    That Coolermaster V8 would still be good cooler, but I think it doesn't fit current AMD motherboards. It would still fit Intel's LGA 1151 motherboards, but imho it's not good enough to stay Intel over going AMD's otherwise better processor option just to keep using that cooler.


    You might also want to consider option of buying all new parts and keeping the old computer intact if you've got any use for a second PC.



    EDIT: Also as an addition to my previous post about GPUs. That ASUS Strix is worth its extra price if you get it for $25 more than that stock cooler RX 5700, but not if the price difference after promos is more than $100. It looks like newegg.com is adjusting both the price and toggling the promotion on and off, or has some algorithm that that shows it only after you've spent enough time surfing on their website, or something.
    lilreap2k3
     
  • lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
    After looking over the suggestions, I tried putting together something similar to what Quizz and Vrika suggested but with a few slight differences. Would love to get input on this.

    MB - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SXF8GY3/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Memory - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    PSU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYGFRL6/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    CPU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SQBFN2D/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Video Card - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X979L92/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Case - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FL1D5RV/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    Build comes to $1,090. But, I have a few questions about it.

    1. Is 650w enough power for this if I ended up adding another 16gb of ram and/or additional storage later on?
    2. Is everything compatible? I believe it is, but better safe than sorry.
    3. I like the case, but how will it work out for cabling with that PSU enclosure?

    Playing - Minecraft, 7 Days To Die, Darkfall:ROA, Path of Exile

    Waiting for - 

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    edited October 2019
    After looking over the suggestions, I tried putting together something similar to what Quizz and Vrika suggested but with a few slight differences. Would love to get input on this.

    MB - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SXF8GY3/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Memory - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    PSU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYGFRL6/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    CPU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SQBFN2D/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Video Card - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X979L92/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Case - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FL1D5RV/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    Build comes to $1,090. But, I have a few questions about it.

    1. Is 650w enough power for this if I ended up adding another 16gb of ram and/or additional storage later on?
    2. Is everything compatible? I believe it is, but better safe than sorry.
    3. I like the case, but how will it work out for cabling with that PSU enclosure?
    1. 650w is more than enough power. Adding more RAM or storage doesn't have any significant impact to power use because RAM and storage use very little power. 
    2. Everything looks compatible
    3. It should work fine

    That motherboard is quite expensive. If you want something that's specifically on that motherboard, like WiFi support, then it's often a good idea to buy expensive motherboard. But that's so expensive that you might want to consider saving money with some cheap motherboard.

    Buying a cheap motherboard for Ryzen 5 3600X is a bit tricky, because while all X570 chipset motherboards support it, the cheaper earlier generation motherboards only support it if they've got new enough BIOS. But if you can do something like ask your local store for a B450 motherboard that has already BIOS version compatible with Ryzen 5 3600X, you could get a good enough motherboard for less than $100. 


    Also just to repeat, I recommended that Asus Strix back when newegg.com was showing me less than $25 price difference compared to the stock cooled model. It looks like the price difference right now on Amazon.com is $70, and that's quite large price difference just for a better cooler. If you're ok with the computer making a lot of noise, then it's not worth it. But if you're sensitive to noise, then it might be worth even $70 price difference. I don't know.
     
  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723
    After looking over the suggestions, I tried putting together something similar to what Quizz and Vrika suggested but with a few slight differences. Would love to get input on this.

    MB - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SXF8GY3/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Memory - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    PSU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYGFRL6/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    CPU - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SQBFN2D/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Video Card - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X979L92/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
    Case - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FL1D5RV/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    Build comes to $1,090. But, I have a few questions about it.

    1. Is 650w enough power for this if I ended up adding another 16gb of ram and/or additional storage later on?
    2. Is everything compatible? I believe it is, but better safe than sorry.
    3. I like the case, but how will it work out for cabling with that PSU enclosure?

    I'd suggest these changes

    Videocard

    You go up a tier for only a small amount more and the pulse is a good card. The Strix is only worth it when the Asus tax is removed.

    CPU

    The 3600 is only a few percent slower than the 3600x and when you put that money you save into the videocard your performance goes up a nice amount

    RAM

    If you aren't going for Samsung B-die ram than you get micron E. The corsair might have micron E, but the Ballistix definitely has micron E. The difference in price is negligible.

    PSU is fine. You should be able to add a second identical videocard and not run into issues. Not that a second GPU  would be a good idea when it comes to gaming.

    Mobo is technically fine, though a B450 board with updated bios shouldn't have any issues and would be cheaper. The only reason to get x570 is if you can't get an updated B450 board. You could also get the Asus X570 Prime-P for a cheaper good X570 board. The Asus tax is still on both, but they are better than the competition at the same price point.

    The Case will have horrid airflow. The front panel fans have no place to suck fresh air from. So expect to cook your hardware in that. Honestly stay clear of it. Suggesting a better case gets a bit tricky as it depends on your preference of silent/decent airflow or noisier/good airflow.







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  • lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
    edited October 2019
    The Case will have horrid airflow. The front panel fans have no place to suck fresh air from. So expect to cook your hardware in that. Honestly stay clear of it. Suggesting a better case gets a bit tricky as it depends on your preference of silent/decent airflow or noisier/good airflow.

    I don't mind the noise if there is good airflow. Do you have any recommendations for a different case?

    I like this one also, for just a little more. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DRVHBWK/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b2Ore_c_x_1_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_r=WNH6GJ66S4C0MQGA5DR9&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=d86586dc-cb37-5f03-ab99-d10d920284d4&pf_rd_i=572238#

    As far as motherboards go... is this usable? https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Strix-B450-F-Gaming-Motherboard/dp/B07FKTZC4M/ref=pd_di_sccai_1/132-7392487-5678242?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07FKTZC4M&pd_rd_r=0be1b3a4-e4bb-4fdc-be4d-85a17e567d45&pd_rd_w=vaVyB&pd_rd_wg=Cbmyx&pf_rd_p=6e941abd-b4a2-4c12-8143-c53200ac8e44&pf_rd_r=F9MQXX9Z0E5PX1MNRYBH&psc=1&refRID=F9MQXX9Z0E5PX1MNRYBH

    Also, would you recommend water-cooling?

    Playing - Minecraft, 7 Days To Die, Darkfall:ROA, Path of Exile

    Waiting for - 

  • EQN13EQN13 Member UncommonPosts: 26
    Ozmodan said:
    EQN13 said:
    on NZXT's web site, you can custom build a PC. Includes Legal windows and a good 2 Year  warranty and it upgradable. 
    https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1000&draft=8156629934
    Hopefully that link works. Really nice 510 glass case. I switched out the M.2 on the $1000 build to a 1TB and it's well under $1200 and you don't have to do anything but plug it in. and I went INTEL because I prefer them. AMD is still good as well. Intel benches better in gaming. 

    Or PCparkpicker is really decent too.  Lets you throw parts together easily. 

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGspb8

    That one hits $1180 without shipping. Also Intel.  I would go with the NZXT build personally. warranty and no worry about a single part being bad. That's really frustrating. I also went with a good MB and gold rated Power supply that is fully modular so no annoying extra power cables that aren't needed.  I also do not include DVD/CD drives. they are useless, to me. You may not agree. so you would have to add that to the cost. 

    Definitely do not agree that Intel is better for gaming now that the new Ryzen's are out.  Horrible build on the pcpartpicker.  
    Look douche, I don't care if you don't  "believe" intel is better at gaming, it's a FACT on gaming intel has a better IPC vs AMD. look at benchmarks.  I also said that AMD was still a good option. and yes, you CAN find an AMD that will out perform the 9600X but I was talking about processors that were designed to be direct competition for said PROC.  Also the PCpartpicker build is Not horrible, he has a thing called a BUDGET. he can't afford a 3900X and an nVidia 2080Super. The MB and PS are good quality, and the card is IN BUDGET.  There are better parts but are you going to give him the extra money to buy them? he has $1200, how much are you going to contribute and then I will do a "better" build, until then, shut up.  
  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723
    edited October 2019
    The Case will have horrid airflow. The front panel fans have no place to suck fresh air from. So expect to cook your hardware in that. Honestly stay clear of it. Suggesting a better case gets a bit tricky as it depends on your preference of silent/decent airflow or noisier/good airflow.

    I don't mind the noise if there is good airflow. Do you have any recommendations for a different case?

    I like this one also, for just a little more. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DRVHBWK/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b2Ore_c_x_1_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_r=WNH6GJ66S4C0MQGA5DR9&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=d86586dc-cb37-5f03-ab99-d10d920284d4&pf_rd_i=572238#

    As far as motherboards go... is this usable? https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Strix-B450-F-Gaming-Motherboard/dp/B07FKTZC4M/ref=pd_di_sccai_1/132-7392487-5678242?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07FKTZC4M&pd_rd_r=0be1b3a4-e4bb-4fdc-be4d-85a17e567d45&pd_rd_w=vaVyB&pd_rd_wg=Cbmyx&pf_rd_p=6e941abd-b4a2-4c12-8143-c53200ac8e44&pf_rd_r=F9MQXX9Z0E5PX1MNRYBH&psc=1&refRID=F9MQXX9Z0E5PX1MNRYBH

    Also, would you recommend water-cooling?
    If you like the looks of that case, than sure that is a good option. You even get the option of choosing mesh or solid frontpanel as you get both. Personally I hate the looks of the case, but airflow wise it is very solid.

    edit: Should mention the case is quite large.

    I've owned that motherboard and it is a nice board yes, but unless you have a way to update the bios yourself or have someone else do it you'd be better with the following.


    Any of the MSI B450 Max boards should run 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box. I Believe the Tomahawk was considered the best of the B450 boards. Not a hundred percent sure though. It has to be the Max version. All Max boards from MSI have updated bios for 3rd Gen ryzen.

    I run a beefy aircooler, but that is only because I can't afford to just replace pc parts in case it goes horribly wrong. Watercooling comes with its own issues, but the CPU will be able to run cooler. An AIO is easier to install on the CPU, but you also need to know in advance if the radiator will fit the case and how it affects airflow.

    In my own case I can fit the radiator either at the front or at the top, but only the front works airflow wise as the top of my case is sealed off more or less. If I wanted it at the top I would need to remove the top panel cover, which would defeat the purpose of my silent case.

    An AIO has only a very small chance of leaking. This is after a few years of use normally. I just don't want to run the risk. I use a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4. So it's what you feel comfortable with. Don't ask me which ones are good though.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Vrika said:

    EDIT: Also as an addition to my previous post about GPUs. That ASUS Strix is worth its extra price if you get it for $25 more than that stock cooler RX 5700, but not if the price difference after promos is more than $100. It looks like newegg.com is adjusting both the price and toggling the promotion on and off, or has some algorithm that that shows it only after you've spent enough time surfing on their website, or something.
    I'd agree with that, but the reason why I picked the particular SKU that I did was that it was $300 before a $20 rebate.  The Strix card that the original poster found is $400.  That's a $100 difference, or $120 with rebate.

    What AMD will let you do now if you think the card is too noisy is to go into Radeon Wattman and scale back the clock speed, which will automatically scale back voltage, too.  It's easy to do (and to undo, if you later need the extra performance), and as it's underclocking, you don't get the usual risks of overclocking.  That's what I did with my Vega 64, and giving up about 10% of my performance sure saves a whole lot of heat and noise.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    Build comes to $1,090. But, I have a few questions about it.

    1. Is 650w enough power for this if I ended up adding another 16gb of ram and/or additional storage later on?
    2. Is everything compatible? I believe it is, but better safe than sorry.
    3. I like the case, but how will it work out for cabling with that PSU enclosure?
    650 W is plenty.  The CPU and GPU are the two big power consumers, and everything else is just a few watts here and a few watts there.  I commonly estimate high and say that everything besides the CPU and GPU will use under 100 W, which is generally true unless you do something outlandish like running eight hard drives or sub-ambient cooling.

    On power supplies, that particular unit is probably good, but so many power supply vendors do confusing things with their lineup that I've completely given up on non-Seasonic power supplies.  I realize that there are a lot of other good power supplies out there, but EVGA offers some very nice ones and also some not so good ones, and tries to get people to buy one of the latter cheaply thinking that it's a lot better than it actually is.  If you can find a review from a reputable site that says that particular SKU is good, then you're fine, but don't think that just because one power supply with "EVGA SuperNova" in the name is good that they all are.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    Mobo is technically fine, though a B450 board with updated bios shouldn't have any issues and would be cheaper. The only reason to get x570 is if you can't get an updated B450 board. You could also get the Asus X570 Prime-P for a cheaper good X570 board. The Asus tax is still on both, but they are better than the competition at the same price point.

    The Case will have horrid airflow. The front panel fans have no place to suck fresh air from. So expect to cook your hardware in that. Honestly stay clear of it. Suggesting a better case gets a bit tricky as it depends on your preference of silent/decent airflow or noisier/good airflow.
    The problem with relying on an updated BIOS is that you can't update the BIOS yourself unless you have an old CPU.  That's fine for people who already have a working computer and are going to update just the CPU, but it's not fine for building a new system.  If you can find a B450 motherboard that says that it has the updated BIOS already installed, then that would be a way to save quite a bit of money.

    The case airflow will be fine, as three 120 mm fans is quite a bit of airflow.  The front fans pull air from in front of your case, and it goes through the case and then out the top or back.  That's how most gaming mid-tower cases handle airflow, and it works.  Well, unless you're stupid about it and block the air vents with something else.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    EQN13 said:
    Ozmodan said:
    EQN13 said:
    on NZXT's web site, you can custom build a PC. Includes Legal windows and a good 2 Year  warranty and it upgradable. 
    https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1000&draft=8156629934
    Hopefully that link works. Really nice 510 glass case. I switched out the M.2 on the $1000 build to a 1TB and it's well under $1200 and you don't have to do anything but plug it in. and I went INTEL because I prefer them. AMD is still good as well. Intel benches better in gaming. 

    Or PCparkpicker is really decent too.  Lets you throw parts together easily. 

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGspb8

    That one hits $1180 without shipping. Also Intel.  I would go with the NZXT build personally. warranty and no worry about a single part being bad. That's really frustrating. I also went with a good MB and gold rated Power supply that is fully modular so no annoying extra power cables that aren't needed.  I also do not include DVD/CD drives. they are useless, to me. You may not agree. so you would have to add that to the cost. 

    Definitely do not agree that Intel is better for gaming now that the new Ryzen's are out.  Horrible build on the pcpartpicker.  
    Look douche, I don't care if you don't  "believe" intel is better at gaming, it's a FACT on gaming intel has a better IPC vs AMD. look at benchmarks.  I also said that AMD was still a good option. and yes, you CAN find an AMD that will out perform the 9600X but I was talking about processors that were designed to be direct competition for said PROC.  Also the PCpartpicker build is Not horrible, he has a thing called a BUDGET. he can't afford a 3900X and an nVidia 2080Super. The MB and PS are good quality, and the card is IN BUDGET.  There are better parts but are you going to give him the extra money to buy them? he has $1200, how much are you going to contribute and then I will do a "better" build, until then, shut up.  
    Fine then, let's look at some benchmarks.  I couldn't get an exact comparison, but the nearest I could get was this:

    https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2261?vs=2520

    The AMD CPU there is clocked the same as the one I picked, and the Intel CPU is clocked 100 MHz higher than the one you picked.  It's the same architecture in both cases.  In that comparison, AMD wins nearly all of the gaming benchmarks, and some of them by a lot.  Intel wins a handful that are essentially tied, with winning one by 2.1 frames per second its only one of a full frame per second or more.

    The problem is that your information is outdated.  Yes, Sky Lake Refresh Refresh Refresh (or whatever they're on now) did have higher IPC than second generation Ryzen, but it's not higher IPC than third generation Ryzen.
  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723
    Quizzical said:

    Mobo is technically fine, though a B450 board with updated bios shouldn't have any issues and would be cheaper. The only reason to get x570 is if you can't get an updated B450 board. You could also get the Asus X570 Prime-P for a cheaper good X570 board. The Asus tax is still on both, but they are better than the competition at the same price point.

    The Case will have horrid airflow. The front panel fans have no place to suck fresh air from. So expect to cook your hardware in that. Honestly stay clear of it. Suggesting a better case gets a bit tricky as it depends on your preference of silent/decent airflow or noisier/good airflow.
    The problem with relying on an updated BIOS is that you can't update the BIOS yourself unless you have an old CPU.  That's fine for people who already have a working computer and are going to update just the CPU, but it's not fine for building a new system.  If you can find a B450 motherboard that says that it has the updated BIOS already installed, then that would be a way to save quite a bit of money.

    The case airflow will be fine, as three 120 mm fans is quite a bit of airflow.  The front fans pull air from in front of your case, and it goes through the case and then out the top or back.  That's how most gaming mid-tower cases handle airflow, and it works.  Well, unless you're stupid about it and block the air vents with something else.
    Did you actually look at the case. It might have 3 front fans, but in no way can those 3 fans pull in any decent amount of fresh air. Case makers still haven't found a way to pull in fresh air through solid glass/plastic. So it will circulate air from inside the case with a small amount of fresh pulled in through tiny gaps between different front panel parts and depending on the offset from the fans to the frontpanel a the minor amount from vent holes in the side. So no the airflow will not be fine. Most gaming mid-tower cases are horrid for airflow and go for the hey look at me effect. It does not work as they already blocked the front fans at the design phase.


  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    EQN13 said:
    Ozmodan said:
    EQN13 said:
    on NZXT's web site, you can custom build a PC. Includes Legal windows and a good 2 Year  warranty and it upgradable. 
    https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1000&draft=8156629934
    Hopefully that link works. Really nice 510 glass case. I switched out the M.2 on the $1000 build to a 1TB and it's well under $1200 and you don't have to do anything but plug it in. and I went INTEL because I prefer them. AMD is still good as well. Intel benches better in gaming. 

    Or PCparkpicker is really decent too.  Lets you throw parts together easily. 

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGspb8

    That one hits $1180 without shipping. Also Intel.  I would go with the NZXT build personally. warranty and no worry about a single part being bad. That's really frustrating. I also went with a good MB and gold rated Power supply that is fully modular so no annoying extra power cables that aren't needed.  I also do not include DVD/CD drives. they are useless, to me. You may not agree. so you would have to add that to the cost. 

    Definitely do not agree that Intel is better for gaming now that the new Ryzen's are out.  Horrible build on the pcpartpicker.  
    Look douche, I don't care if you don't  "believe" intel is better at gaming, it's a FACT on gaming intel has a better IPC vs AMD. look at benchmarks.  I also said that AMD was still a good option. and yes, you CAN find an AMD that will out perform the 9600X but I was talking about processors that were designed to be direct competition for said PROC.  Also the PCpartpicker build is Not horrible, he has a thing called a BUDGET. he can't afford a 3900X and an nVidia 2080Super. The MB and PS are good quality, and the card is IN BUDGET.  There are better parts but are you going to give him the extra money to buy them? he has $1200, how much are you going to contribute and then I will do a "better" build, until then, shut up.  
    Thanks for the laugh and nice class act with the language.  The current Intel line does not hold a candle to AMD at the moment, that is a fact and you want to believe Intel's nonsense it is a free world.  Secondly AMD is cheaper than Intel and runs much cooler.  With an Intel purchase you need to spend money on a really good cooler.  So any comparable AMD rig is going to cost a lot less than the Intel version.  

  • lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
    edited October 2019
    Ok guys. I have narrowed down the build and included all the little extra things I need. The cost is higher than the $1,200 I was trying to stay below, but I guess $1,500 (after taxes) isn't so bad.

    Here is what I came up with based on the suggestions given:

    https://imgur.com/a/vNw4tBh

    Opinions? Ways to drop the cost without sacrificing too much?

    Thanks!

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Ok guys. I have narrowed down the build and included all the little extra things I need. The cost is higher than the $1,200 I was trying to stay below, but I guess $1,500 (after taxes) isn't so bad.

    Here is what I came up with based on the suggestions given:

    https://imgur.com/a/vNw4tBh

    Opinions? Ways to drop the cost without sacrificing too much?

    Thanks!
    Why are you getting Windows 10 professional rather than home?  Unless you're doing something rather unusual for a gaming machine, the only difference you'll ever notice is the price tag.

    There's also no need to buy your own thermal paste.  Any cooler will come with thermal paste, and while it absolutely matters that you use thermal paste, the difference between one paste and another is typically a rounding error.

    You don't really need to buy your own case fan.  Plenty of cases will come with plenty of fans.  Speaking of which, there are a lot of cases you could buy that will do a fine job of cooling a gaming rig for half the price of the one you've chosen.  If you're really fond of how it looks, then go ahead, but don't expect paying $100+ for a gaming case to result in a meaningfully better rig.

    Between those three things alone, you could probably take $100 off the price tag without making any difference that you'd care about.

    If you want to get back to $1200, you could drop the aftermarket CPU cooler, though the stock cooler would commonly drop your CPU clock speed by some tens of MHz in a lot of situations.  You could also get a cheaper video card.  At that point, you're giving up some performance, so it's really just a question of what you want to spend.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    If you're inclined to save some money on the video card, you could look at a Radeon RX 5700 without the XT or a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti.  Yeah, those are slower cards, but they're also cheaper.  And they're still a whole lot faster than what you have now.
  • lilreap2k3lilreap2k3 Member UncommonPosts: 353
    Quizzical said:
    If you're inclined to save some money on the video card, you could look at a Radeon RX 5700 without the XT or a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti.  Yeah, those are slower cards, but they're also cheaper.  And they're still a whole lot faster than what you have now.
    Thanks for the advice Quizz. I have switched out to Windows 10 Home and removed the Arctic Silver. I also can't seem to find a case that I like that is much cheaper than this one, and the extra case fans are for the top of the case and adding a second fan to the other side of the cooler.

    I'm curious how much different the following card is to the Pulse I linked above. It's $50 cheaper, but is only 5700 without the XT.
    https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Overclocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-DUAL-RX5700-O8G-EVO/dp/B07WRMT3BH/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?keywords=5700&pd_rd_i=B07WRMT3BH&pd_rd_r=ca611cea-fab3-4b1a-8af3-ac9f051aee4d&pd_rd_w=e8eVs&pd_rd_wg=QsZqP&pf_rd_p=a6d018ad-f20b-46c9-8920-433972c7d9b7&pf_rd_r=P7E1K09R2QVNTR6XHE7V&qid=1571176724

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    Waiting for - 

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Quizzical said:
    If you're inclined to save some money on the video card, you could look at a Radeon RX 5700 without the XT or a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti.  Yeah, those are slower cards, but they're also cheaper.  And they're still a whole lot faster than what you have now.
    Thanks for the advice Quizz. I have switched out to Windows 10 Home and removed the Arctic Silver. I also can't seem to find a case that I like that is much cheaper than this one, and the extra case fans are for the top of the case and adding a second fan to the other side of the cooler.

    I'm curious how much different the following card is to the Pulse I linked above. It's $50 cheaper, but is only 5700 without the XT.
    https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Overclocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-DUAL-RX5700-O8G-EVO/dp/B07WRMT3BH/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?keywords=5700&pd_rd_i=B07WRMT3BH&pd_rd_r=ca611cea-fab3-4b1a-8af3-ac9f051aee4d&pd_rd_w=e8eVs&pd_rd_wg=QsZqP&pf_rd_p=a6d018ad-f20b-46c9-8920-433972c7d9b7&pf_rd_r=P7E1K09R2QVNTR6XHE7V&qid=1571176724
    They're two different bins of the same GPU chip.  AMD's Navi 10 chip has 40 compute units.  On the Radeon RX 5700 XT, they're all enabled.  The Radeon RX 5700 without the XT disables 4 of them, and also clocks them lower.  Both cards have the same memory bus, so depending on where the bottleneck is, performance could be anywhere from the non-XT being a little over 80% as fast as the XT card up to being tied.  Based on reviews, they're priced about in line with their performance.

    But what matters is not just how the cards compare to each other, but also how they compare to what you have now.  A Radeon RX 5700 is about three times as fast as the GeForce GTX 770 that you already have if you chain together benchmarks.  The real-world difference could easily be more than that, as Kepler was such a weird, broken architecture, and hasn't gotten driver optimizations in years.

    My general advice on upgrading a video card is that you should get at least double the performance of your old card in order to justify the upgrade.  A Radeon RX 5700 easily clears that bar.  So does a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, even though it's slower than the RX 5700.  But it's also cheaper, which is why I bring it up.

    I'm not telling you not to get the faster card.  Rather, it's your money, not mine, and so it's your choice of whether to spend more for higher performance or spend less for lower performance.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    For a case, a lot depends on how much you care what your computer looks like.  I think it's dumb to buy a motherboard or power supply on the basis of how it looks.  But the case is what you see, so I could understand paying more for a case that you really like the looks of, at least if you accept that you're paying more for aesthetics and not for performance.

    That's not what I'd do myself, which is why I linked a cheap case in my original build.  That's not just some random cheap case; it's the case that I use myself.  The only functional issue with it that I have is that the thumbscrews aren't.  That is, you'll need a screwdriver for them.  Between a Vega 64 and a Ryzen 7 2700X, I'm using higher power parts than what you're looking at, too.  But if you think it's ugly and are willing to pay more for a case you like the looks of, that's your choice.  Personally, I put my case behind my desk, so I don't see it much anyway.
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