Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
Wow...you really do not get it.
It said in the rules, no politics. He knew he was breaking the rule, he said as much.
Riots and protests are nowhere near war, which by the way HK does not want as the Chinese military would crush them in about 48 hours, then you will see some crimes against humanity.
Winning a tournament earned him a paycheck, it did not earn him anything beyond that. Blizzard owns the game, they sponsored the event, if you don't like their rules, then don't play. It is really that simple.
Blizzard owed exactly no apology, the player should be happy he got his earnings (I am happy for him) and only a 6-month ban.
There was NO rule against politics at the time of him winning. Here is the exact rule they say he violated:
"Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms. "
Engaging in any act. Wearing the color brown could be that act. Flashing the peace sign could be that act. Saying thanks to all the guys and girls out there could be that act. You get the picture now. This is a bs rule that out of all their rules, is the only one they could say he broke. The one that is purposely vague and has no accountability.
Just fyi. This was in their apology note when they reduced the ban.
"The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
If that was truly the case then he broke no rule at all let alone the obtuse rule of no accountability. According to their own statement, his comment did not do any of the above. So the only thing left was "in Blizzard’s sole discretion". I believe This is where they are stating they got it wrong. But again words are meaningless without action.
Then they go on to say: "If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same."
They did not ban the Americans that stated they were with HK. They only banned them after the fact of having to backpedal due to the controversy growing so big. At that point, they had no choice. If they didn't the controversy was going to grow out of hand. Politicians are already making statements about this at this point.
If blizzard didn't do anything wrong according to you, then why have they came out twice and apologized, why did they give him his rightful winnings and why did they reduce the ban? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
So your statement of the rules said no politics is a load of bs.
Actually the only BS here is you. The player STATED he knew he was making a mistake. That ends that discussion. And you call it a BS rule, I call you immature and one of this new culture of zero accountability or responsibility, sorry son, that isn't how the world works. You make mistakes, you pay the price, your parents should have taught you that.
But I will give you this, you finally brought ONE fact to this, so at least you are finally educating yourself on the topic and getting a clue and that is a good thing. It will hopefully make you sound less ignorant in future discussions.
It was out of the goodness of their hearts, he broke the rules, Blizz decided to overturn their knee jerk reaction and at least give him his winnings and allow him to continue his career. They apologized for how they handled the situation, not the punishment. Big difference, but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts.
Anyway, keep reading, you got one right, there was no specific mention of "politics" however, its pretty much common sense, or should be.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
To be honest,i couldn't care less about ANY Blizzard employee,well maybe a few lackeys i know of that are cool people,but nobody else. I couldn't care less about ANY "prepared"speech apology because they are NEVER sincere.
It is like some dude breaks in your house,steals 5k worth of goods then later says "i'm sorry"before the judge because it looks good.Well i'm sorry too,i am sorry there are so many BS FAKE people in this world.
If this dude was REAL,he would likely say something like....I am about to make this speech because i have to,my superiors,the board,investors want me to ,otherwise i couldn't care less,i am only here because i get paid good money to be.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Apology? Where? They didn't say what they did wrong, and they didn't say how they'd do better. This was just some guy being sad on stage.
Exactly.
But so many fail to understand how an actual apology even works
1. Say what you did wrong and accept responsibility 2. Apologize for your wrongdoing 3. Say what action you will take to make amends 4. Take the action to make it up to the wronged party 5. State the steps you will take so it doesnt happen again
Blizzard's was am empty apology made to appease the western masses who didnt pay close attention into thinking "all is well now - Blizzard did their part- they apologized" everyone move on and let's forget anything happened.
Upon closer examination - no apology even took place
Reducing the ban and giving him his prize money was more of an apology than he deserved. It's pretty obvious YOU have no idea how it works.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
There was NO rule against politics at the time of him winning. Here is the exact rule they say he violated:
"Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms. "
Engaging in any act. Wearing the color brown could be that act. Flashing the peace sign could be that act. Saying thanks to all the guys and girls out there could be that act. You get the picture now. This is a bs rule that out of all their rules, is the only one they could say he broke. The one that is purposely vague and has no accountability.
Just fyi. This was in their apology note when they reduced the ban.
"The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
If that was truly the case then he broke no rule at all let alone the obtuse rule of no accountability. According to their own statement, his comment did not do any of the above. So the only thing left was "in Blizzard’s sole discretion". I believe This is where they are stating they got it wrong. But again words are meaningless without action.
Then they go on to say: "If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same."
They did not ban the Americans that stated they were with HK. They only banned them after the fact of having to backpedal due to the controversy growing so big. At that point, they had no choice. If they didn't the controversy was going to grow out of hand. Politicians are already making statements about this at this point.
If blizzard didn't do anything wrong according to you, then why have they came out twice and apologized, why did they give him his rightful winnings and why did they reduce the ban? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
So your statement of the rules said no politics is a load of bs.
Actually the only BS here is you. The player STATED he knew he was making a mistake. That ends that discussion. And you call it a BS rule, I call you immature and one of this new culture of zero accountability or responsibility, sorry son, that isn't how the world works. You make mistakes, you pay the price, your parents should have taught you that.
But I will give you this, you finally brought ONE fact to this, so at least you are finally educating yourself on the topic and getting a clue and that is a good thing. It will hopefully make you sound less ignorant in future discussions.
It was out of the goodness of their hearts, he broke the rules, Blizz decided to overturn their knee jerk reaction and at least give him his winnings and allow him to continue his career. They apologized for how they handled the situation, not the punishment. Big difference, but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts.
Anyway, keep reading, you got one right, there was no specific mention of "politics" however, its pretty much common sense, or should be.
Did I bring one fact? You mean the right fact. You set there REPEATEDLY saying he broke the rule of no politics. Where was your fact? Oh that's right, you were lying. I also never denied he said he might get in trouble for saying it but I don't think its for the reason you're trying to express. This was a person openly supporting HK on a live broadcast in china. But sure, He was probably worried that he might piss off blizzard for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. You know, that rule you kept stating as fact but wasn't?
If you think blizzard revamped their decision out of the goodness of their heart, you are the one full of BS.
When they banned blitzchung and the casters, this was their message to china. It is translated from chinese to english.
“We express our strong indignation [or resentment] and condemnation of the events that occurred in the Hearthstone Asia Pacific competition last weekend and absolutely oppose the dissemination of personal political ideas during any events [or games]. The players involved will be banned, and the commentators involved will be immediately terminated from any official business. Also, we will protect [or safeguard] our national dignity [or honor].”
This statement right here says it is protecting chinas dignity. You still want to tell me they reversed their decision out of the goodness of their hearts?
Read that statement again very closely. Did you notice the gay pride blizzard pin that jay allen brack was wearing on stage? Blizzard has openly posted political beliefs. Again they had NO rule about doing that and often did it themselves. So is it so unrealistic that blitchung thought he might be able to get away with it as well? You say its common sense. You are absolutely right. Blizzard and even casters openly supporting political agendas during live events and nobody ever was fired or told to stop.
Since you seem to not ever use facts and throw lies out there as facts. Let's educate you a little more. This is blitchungs reply. ""He specifically acknowledges his fault in the incident, recognizing that "my act could take the conversation away from the purpose of the event.""
Thats not an admission of him breaking any rules. That is him recognizing that his message was not about the tournament. During his live Q&A event, he even stated this: "He does go on to clarify that he's safe, though, acknowledging the severity of the situation. "
He openly defied china on a live broadcast. His concern was not that blizzard was going to ban him and the casters but for him and his family's safety for doing so. But hey you seem to be the one that knows everything but brings zero actual facts to the table so I will bow to your expertise here.
My favorite statement from you in this entire thread: "but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts."
LOL! from the man that has not brought a single fact into this thread and claims some moral victory for smiting down a person that dares to hold a company accountable for their actions. Good luck in your obvious bid for a political career. You have the "facts" down pat.
I have said forever that eventually blizzard will hire these soft millennials and support the wrong move. Seems that time is upon us.
I just think it's perfect for a SJW move to be the thing that finally drives Activision/Blizzard into the gutter.
Oh sweet summer child... If they where run by "soft millenials" they would have stood on the side pf Chung... In fact people are angry because they choose the "hard value" way over the "soft value" way.
As for SJW... Do you even know what the term means or are you just trying to hang with the cool kids..?
I have said forever that eventually blizzard will hire these soft millennials and support the wrong move. Seems that time is upon us.
I just think it's perfect for a SJW move to be the thing that finally drives Activision/Blizzard into the gutter.
Oh sweet summer child... If they where run by "soft millenials" they would have stood on the side pf Chung... In fact people are angry because they choose the "hard value" way over the "soft value" way.
As for SJW... Do you even know what the term means or are you just trying to hang with the cool kids..?
Anyone that puts values and thoughts/ideals over human freewill is a SJW. Happy? And no. Eventually the SJW hugs authority to hope/ensure their creepy ideals get put into place as law.
While you're reading this millenials at Blizzard are providing the cover story. Happy?
Anyone that puts values and thoughts/ideals over human freewill is a SJW. Happy? And no. Eventually the SJW hugs authority to hope/ensure their creepy ideals get put into place as law.
While you're reading this millenials at Blizzard are providing the cover story. Happy?
No that is not what that term means even in it´s most twisted form... But if it makes you feel better you can go on thinking that.
And if you now actually are born before the 80´s (thussly not a millenial) get some good reading in because at your age you should have more common sense.
Again - you can cross out all I said- the fact remain - no apology happened at all.
From my point of view, the one who had to apologize first, was Blitz. No, not because of the message he sent, but the way and where he sent that..message. "I'm sorry I put Blizzard, who supported me along this years, into a bad light. I knew I would break the rules of the tournament by delivering my message and my support of the Hong Kong movement at a Hearthstone event. I have my reasons for why I did it and I am not sorry for the message I sent. I hope everyone can move along from this story and.. let's enjoy games, because they bring us together as a community. They make us better."
..kinda message.
So until I see an apology from Blitz, Blizzard is the only one who made an apologize. That you don't .. like it, it's another story, but they did it. Widely actually, at a very , very big event : BlizzCon. What more do you want?
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Again - you can cross out all I said- the fact remain - no apology happened at all.
From my point of view, the one who had to apologize first, was Blitz. No, not because of the message he sent, but the way and where he sent that..message. "I'm sorry I put Blizzard, who supported me along this years, into a bad light. I knew I would break the rules of the tournament by delivering my message and my support of the Hong Kong movement at a Hearthstone event. I have my reasons for why I did it and I am not sorry for the message I sent. I hope everyone can move along from this story and.. let's enjoy games, because they bring us together as a community. They make us better."
..kinda message.
So until I see an apology from Blitz, Blizzard is the only one who made an apologize. That you don't .. like it, it's another story, but they did it. Widely actually, at a very , very big event : BlizzCon. What more do you want?
For the 1000 time he broke no rule. I hate backing DMKano, but it must be done when hes right. Blizzard attempt at an apology was halfhearted at best.
And don't say Blitz knew it was coming. Nope not what he was saying. He knew he would be in danger from China. You know the thing this whole HK protest is about according to you. LMAO
--------------- Tested over a 115+ games since 1997.
Again - you can cross out all I said- the fact remain - no apology happened at all.
From my point of view, the one who had to apologize first, was Blitz. No, not because of the message he sent, but the way and where he sent that..message. "I'm sorry I put Blizzard, who supported me along this years, into a bad light. I knew I would break the rules of the tournament by delivering my message and my support of the Hong Kong movement at a Hearthstone event. I have my reasons for why I did it and I am not sorry for the message I sent. I hope everyone can move along from this story and.. let's enjoy games, because they bring us together as a community. They make us better."
..kinda message.
So until I see an apology from Blitz, Blizzard is the only one who made an apologize. That you don't .. like it, it's another story, but they did it. Widely actually, at a very , very big event : BlizzCon. What more do you want?
For the 1000 time he broke no rule. I hate backing DMKano, but it must be done when hes right. Blizzard attempt at an apology was halfhearted at best.
And don't say Blitz knew it was coming. Nope not what he was saying. He knew he would be in danger from China. You know the thing this whole HK protest is about according to you. LMAO
Well, he did broke the rules. I mean, the guy is still banned, even after Blizzard decided to "lower" the penalty. You or Kano or others, if you see that there were no broken rules, then that's fine. But it doesn't mean he didn't.
As I said, at least they tried to apologize and even gave the guy the money back. I would expect a similar reaction from Blitz. Why haven't he showed up and gave a statement after all this mess? Oh, but he doesn't need to give one? Then that's a selfish attitude.
Be in danger my ass. The guy didn't do anything to put his life in danger. And even if this was the case ( which is not ) , there are many, many others who actually put their life in danger by protesting in Hong Kong ( in real life ).
You give way to much credit to this guy "for what he did".
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
You're grasping at this point bud. Buy your ticket to HK and join the fight!
Anyone who thinks blizz is at fault is grasping for drama. Here blizzard gave a young man a chance to make a living playing video games, playing video games......and how does he act? He knowingly did something he KNEW was against the rules and chose to disobey for his OWN personal agenda. That is disrespecting Blizzard hands down. Forcing them into a very uncomfortable situation. I wish they didnt reduce his ban, he didnt deserve it. He spit in the faces of a company who brought joy to millions over 2 decades. He had so many avenues to promote his fight, and he literally screwed over the people who signed his pay cheques for how long?
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
There was NO rule against politics at the time of him winning. Here is the exact rule they say he violated:
"Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms. "
Engaging in any act. Wearing the color brown could be that act. Flashing the peace sign could be that act. Saying thanks to all the guys and girls out there could be that act. You get the picture now. This is a bs rule that out of all their rules, is the only one they could say he broke. The one that is purposely vague and has no accountability.
Just fyi. This was in their apology note when they reduced the ban.
"The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
If that was truly the case then he broke no rule at all let alone the obtuse rule of no accountability. According to their own statement, his comment did not do any of the above. So the only thing left was "in Blizzard’s sole discretion". I believe This is where they are stating they got it wrong. But again words are meaningless without action.
Then they go on to say: "If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same."
They did not ban the Americans that stated they were with HK. They only banned them after the fact of having to backpedal due to the controversy growing so big. At that point, they had no choice. If they didn't the controversy was going to grow out of hand. Politicians are already making statements about this at this point.
If blizzard didn't do anything wrong according to you, then why have they came out twice and apologized, why did they give him his rightful winnings and why did they reduce the ban? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
So your statement of the rules said no politics is a load of bs.
Actually the only BS here is you. The player STATED he knew he was making a mistake. That ends that discussion. And you call it a BS rule, I call you immature and one of this new culture of zero accountability or responsibility, sorry son, that isn't how the world works. You make mistakes, you pay the price, your parents should have taught you that.
But I will give you this, you finally brought ONE fact to this, so at least you are finally educating yourself on the topic and getting a clue and that is a good thing. It will hopefully make you sound less ignorant in future discussions.
It was out of the goodness of their hearts, he broke the rules, Blizz decided to overturn their knee jerk reaction and at least give him his winnings and allow him to continue his career. They apologized for how they handled the situation, not the punishment. Big difference, but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts.
Anyway, keep reading, you got one right, there was no specific mention of "politics" however, its pretty much common sense, or should be.
Did I bring one fact? You mean the right fact. You set there REPEATEDLY saying he broke the rule of no politics. Where was your fact? Oh that's right, you were lying. I also never denied he said he might get in trouble for saying it but I don't think its for the reason you're trying to express. This was a person openly supporting HK on a live broadcast in china. But sure, He was probably worried that he might piss off blizzard for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. You know, that rule you kept stating as fact but wasn't?
If you think blizzard revamped their decision out of the goodness of their heart, you are the one full of BS.
When they banned blitzchung and the casters, this was their message to china. It is translated from chinese to english.
“We express our strong indignation [or resentment] and condemnation of the events that occurred in the Hearthstone Asia Pacific competition last weekend and absolutely oppose the dissemination of personal political ideas during any events [or games]. The players involved will be banned, and the commentators involved will be immediately terminated from any official business. Also, we will protect [or safeguard] our national dignity [or honor].”
This statement right here says it is protecting chinas dignity. You still want to tell me they reversed their decision out of the goodness of their hearts?
Read that statement again very closely. Did you notice the gay pride blizzard pin that jay allen brack was wearing on stage? Blizzard has openly posted political beliefs. Again they had NO rule about doing that and often did it themselves. So is it so unrealistic that blitchung thought he might be able to get away with it as well? You say its common sense. You are absolutely right. Blizzard and even casters openly supporting political agendas during live events and nobody ever was fired or told to stop.
Since you seem to not ever use facts and throw lies out there as facts. Let's educate you a little more. This is blitchungs reply. ""He specifically acknowledges his fault in the incident, recognizing that "my act could take the conversation away from the purpose of the event.""
Thats not an admission of him breaking any rules. That is him recognizing that his message was not about the tournament. During his live Q&A event, he even stated this: "He does go on to clarify that he's safe, though, acknowledging the severity of the situation. "
He openly defied china on a live broadcast. His concern was not that blizzard was going to ban him and the casters but for him and his family's safety for doing so. But hey you seem to be the one that knows everything but brings zero actual facts to the table so I will bow to your expertise here.
My favorite statement from you in this entire thread: "but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts."
LOL! from the man that has not brought a single fact into this thread and claims some moral victory for smiting down a person that dares to hold a company accountable for their actions. Good luck in your obvious bid for a political career. You have the "facts" down pat.
That's all great, but you are trying to sell conjecture and opinion as fact.
I have brought nothing but facts, there was a rule in place and the player broke it. the player said so, you said so and I say so. So everything else you have to say is moot. Everything else is just your opinion and grasping at straws because you know you have a pathetic point.
A lie would be me intentionally misrepresenting myself, I didn't, I had to go back and re-read the original post and realized I misread it the first time, then I admitted it, something you have failed to do to this point even though your ENTIRE side fo this has been nothing but your flawed opinion. But you keep pushing your feelings and bullshit out as facts you don't have any other than irrelevant tripe.
You educate me? That is laughable in the extreme. lol.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Apology? Where? They didn't say what they did wrong, and they didn't say how they'd do better. This was just some guy being sad on stage.
Exactly.
But so many fail to understand how an actual apology even works
1. Say what you did wrong and accept responsibility 2. Apologize for your wrongdoing 3. Say what action you will take to make amends 4. Take the action to make it up to the wronged party 5. State the steps you will take so it doesnt happen again
Blizzard's was am empty apology made to appease the western masses who didnt pay close attention into thinking "all is well now - Blizzard did their part- they apologized" everyone move on and let's forget anything happened.
Upon closer examination - no apology even took place
Reducing the ban and giving him his prize money was more of an apology than he deserved. It's pretty obvious YOU have no idea how it works.
That all happened BEFORE the speech.
He could have mentioned - hey we reduced the ban and gave the prize money.
But - they chickened out and didn't even do that as this was a scripted 100% rehearsed speech and they didnt want to even mention anything related to Blitzchung or Hong Kong period.
Blizzard kept the wording vague on purpose - so in reality we have no clue wtf they were even talking about- they messed up how? They will do better because why?
Yep go listen to it again - they never specifically say what exactly they are apologizing for.
Again - you can cross out all I said- the fact remain - no apology happened at all.
The facts remain:
Blitz Got his prize money and reduced ban. No apology was necessary in the first place.
Everything else is just you, trying to stand up for a cause that does not concern you, on a platform that does not support it. End of story.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
You're grasping at this point bud. Buy your ticket to HK and join the fight!
Anyone who thinks blizz is at fault is grasping for drama. Here blizzard gave a young man a chance to make a living playing video games, playing video games......and how does he act? He knowingly did something he KNEW was against the rules and chose to disobey for his OWN personal agenda. That is disrespecting Blizzard hands down. Forcing them into a very uncomfortable situation. I wish they didnt reduce his ban, he didnt deserve it. He spit in the faces of a company who brought joy to millions over 2 decades. He had so many avenues to promote his fight, and he literally screwed over the people who signed his pay cheques for how long?
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
I think people forget that freedom of speech is only free as long as youre not infringing upon others. Where I live(in the USA) its illegal to curse in public, because its shitty behavior.
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
You're grasping at this point bud. Buy your ticket to HK and join the fight!
Anyone who thinks blizz is at fault is grasping for drama. Here blizzard gave a young man a chance to make a living playing video games, playing video games......and how does he act? He knowingly did something he KNEW was against the rules and chose to disobey for his OWN personal agenda. That is disrespecting Blizzard hands down. Forcing them into a very uncomfortable situation. I wish they didnt reduce his ban, he didnt deserve it. He spit in the faces of a company who brought joy to millions over 2 decades. He had so many avenues to promote his fight, and he literally screwed over the people who signed his pay cheques for how long?
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
I think people forget that freedom of speech is only free as long as youre not infringing upon others. Where I live(in the USA) its illegal to curse in public, because its shitty behavior.
I think that people forget that when it comes to human rights - rules that suppress speech about human rights should not be followed.
Bliztchung said 8 words and it made national news- globally - also exposed Blizzard's kowtowing to China, and made a multi billion dollar company look lost and backpedaling on their own policies.
That right there is- breaking the rules the right way.
That right there is how it's done - 8 words - look at the ripple effect .
Awesome
Yea he really got em! All the people who hated on blizzard before this are now still hating on blizzard!
you know just a head up, lost ark is a better diablo then this diablo 4, soooo only reason I could see diablo 4 selling is because blizzard, no because it will be a good game
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
You're grasping at this point bud. Buy your ticket to HK and join the fight!
Anyone who thinks blizz is at fault is grasping for drama. Here blizzard gave a young man a chance to make a living playing video games, playing video games......and how does he act? He knowingly did something he KNEW was against the rules and chose to disobey for his OWN personal agenda. That is disrespecting Blizzard hands down. Forcing them into a very uncomfortable situation. I wish they didnt reduce his ban, he didnt deserve it. He spit in the faces of a company who brought joy to millions over 2 decades. He had so many avenues to promote his fight, and he literally screwed over the people who signed his pay cheques for how long?
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
I think people forget that freedom of speech is only free as long as youre not infringing upon others. Where I live(in the USA) its illegal to curse in public, because its shitty behavior.
I think that people forget that when it comes to human rights - rules that suppress speech about human rights should not be followed.
Bliztchung said 8 words and it made national news- globally - also exposed Blizzard's kowtowing to China, and made a multi billion dollar company look lost and backpedaling on their own policies.
That right there is- breaking the rules the right way.
That right there is how it's done - 8 words - look at the ripple effect .
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Yeah! Reading Blizz's rules, they can come down on you for anything. Ambiguous by design. By coming down this hard on these particular guys, while ignoring similar behavior, it blatently publicized their pre-emptive kowtowing to the gatekeepers of their Chinese market.
A more measured response, along with am escalation warning, would probably have been better received, and would likely have satisfied the Chinese authoritarians.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
And Brack went back on the apology the next day. roflmao
“So Blizzard’s perspective is that, of course you want players to express themselves, except for when it’s taking place through official channels?” PC Gamer asked.
You're grasping at this point bud. Buy your ticket to HK and join the fight!
Anyone who thinks blizz is at fault is grasping for drama. Here blizzard gave a young man a chance to make a living playing video games, playing video games......and how does he act? He knowingly did something he KNEW was against the rules and chose to disobey for his OWN personal agenda. That is disrespecting Blizzard hands down. Forcing them into a very uncomfortable situation. I wish they didnt reduce his ban, he didnt deserve it. He spit in the faces of a company who brought joy to millions over 2 decades. He had so many avenues to promote his fight, and he literally screwed over the people who signed his pay cheques for how long?
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
I think people forget that freedom of speech is only free as long as youre not infringing upon others. Where I live(in the USA) its illegal to curse in public, because its shitty behavior.
I think that people forget that when it comes to human rights - rules that suppress speech about human rights should not be followed.
Bliztchung said 8 words and it made national news- globally - also exposed Blizzard's kowtowing to China, and made a multi billion dollar company look lost and backpedaling on their own policies.
That right there is- breaking the rules the right way.
That right there is how it's done - 8 words - look at the ripple effect .
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You're a joke...talking about "that's how it's done" sitting on your ass in front of a computer screen spouting absolute bullshit.
What exactly did he accomplish? Because yesterday there was a young girl hat ran to the police for help and they arrested her, in HK. Sure sounds better to me, he obviously had just as mu8ch affect on the HK issues as you do, absolutely zero. This fight in HK is literally splitting up families did you know that? Did you know there are districts in HK that full support going back to China? I bet you didn't as that would take real research into the topic, not sitting there regurgitating horse hit spread by half-informed malcontents.
Here is another one, and this adds weight to YOUR argument, did you know the U.S. Government is in the pre-stages of investigating tik-tok? The former Music.ly app? This little fact would have added some weight to your assertion that the Government (US) is sick of China gaining influence here via the net. I guess that doesn't matter as it's not a "Human rights violation".
So please, stop embarrassing yourself and either go to HK, or stfu about it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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But I will give you this, you finally brought ONE fact to this, so at least you are finally educating yourself on the topic and getting a clue and that is a good thing. It will hopefully make you sound less ignorant in future discussions.
It was out of the goodness of their hearts, he broke the rules, Blizz decided to overturn their knee jerk reaction and at least give him his winnings and allow him to continue his career. They apologized for how they handled the situation, not the punishment. Big difference, but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts.
Anyway, keep reading, you got one right, there was no specific mention of "politics" however, its pretty much common sense, or should be.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I couldn't care less about ANY "prepared"speech apology because they are NEVER sincere.
It is like some dude breaks in your house,steals 5k worth of goods then later says "i'm sorry"before the judge because it looks good.Well i'm sorry too,i am sorry there are so many BS FAKE people in this world.
If this dude was REAL,he would likely say something like....I am about to make this speech because i have to,my superiors,the board,investors want me to ,otherwise i couldn't care less,i am only here because i get paid good money to be.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you think blizzard revamped their decision out of the goodness of their heart, you are the one full of BS.
When they banned blitzchung and the casters, this was their message to china. It is translated from chinese to english.
“We express our strong indignation [or resentment] and condemnation of the events that occurred in the Hearthstone Asia Pacific competition last weekend and absolutely oppose the dissemination of personal political ideas during any events [or games]. The players involved will be banned, and the commentators involved will be immediately terminated from any official business. Also, we will protect [or safeguard] our national dignity [or honor].”
This statement right here says it is protecting chinas dignity. You still want to tell me they reversed their decision out of the goodness of their hearts?
Read that statement again very closely. Did you notice the gay pride blizzard pin that jay allen brack was wearing on stage? Blizzard has openly posted political beliefs. Again they had NO rule about doing that and often did it themselves. So is it so unrealistic that blitchung thought he might be able to get away with it as well? You say its common sense. You are absolutely right. Blizzard and even casters openly supporting political agendas during live events and nobody ever was fired or told to stop.
Since you seem to not ever use facts and throw lies out there as facts. Let's educate you a little more. This is blitchungs reply. ""He specifically acknowledges his fault in the incident, recognizing that "my act could take the conversation away from the purpose of the event.""
Thats not an admission of him breaking any rules. That is him recognizing that his message was not about the tournament. During his live Q&A event, he even stated this: "He does go on to clarify that he's safe, though, acknowledging the severity of the situation. "
He openly defied china on a live broadcast. His concern was not that blizzard was going to ban him and the casters but for him and his family's safety for doing so. But hey you seem to be the one that knows everything but brings zero actual facts to the table so I will bow to your expertise here.
My favorite statement from you in this entire thread: "but I would not expect you to realize that since you are only now beginning to understand the facts."
LOL! from the man that has not brought a single fact into this thread and claims some moral victory for smiting down a person that dares to hold a company accountable for their actions. Good luck in your obvious bid for a political career. You have the "facts" down pat.
As for SJW... Do you even know what the term means or are you just trying to hang with the cool kids..?
This have been a good conversation
And if you now actually are born before the 80´s (thussly not a millenial) get some good reading in because at your age you should have more common sense.
This have been a good conversation
..kinda message.
So until I see an apology from Blitz, Blizzard is the only one who made an apologize. That you don't .. like it, it's another story, but they did it. Widely actually, at a very , very big event : BlizzCon. What more do you want?
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
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As I said, at least they tried to apologize and even gave the guy the money back. I would expect a similar reaction from Blitz. Why haven't he showed up and gave a statement after all this mess? Oh, but he doesn't need to give one? Then that's a selfish attitude.
Be in danger my ass. The guy didn't do anything to put his life in danger. And even if this was the case ( which is not ) , there are many, many others who actually put their life in danger by protesting in Hong Kong ( in real life ).
You give way to much credit to this guy "for what he did".
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Them keeping chat closed was a good play, some people need to be censored.
I have brought nothing but facts, there was a rule in place and the player broke it. the player said so, you said so and I say so. So everything else you have to say is moot. Everything else is just your opinion and grasping at straws because you know you have a pathetic point.
A lie would be me intentionally misrepresenting myself, I didn't, I had to go back and re-read the original post and realized I misread it the first time, then I admitted it, something you have failed to do to this point even though your ENTIRE side fo this has been nothing but your flawed opinion. But you keep pushing your feelings and bullshit out as facts you don't have any other than irrelevant tripe.
You educate me? That is laughable in the extreme. lol.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Blitz Got his prize money and reduced ban.
No apology was necessary in the first place.
Everything else is just you, trying to stand up for a cause that does not concern you, on a platform that does not support it. End of story.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
A more measured response, along with am escalation warning, would probably have been better received, and would likely have satisfied the Chinese authoritarians.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
What exactly did he accomplish? Because yesterday there was a young girl hat ran to the police for help and they arrested her, in HK. Sure sounds better to me, he obviously had just as mu8ch affect on the HK issues as you do, absolutely zero. This fight in HK is literally splitting up families did you know that? Did you know there are districts in HK that full support going back to China? I bet you didn't as that would take real research into the topic, not sitting there regurgitating horse hit spread by half-informed malcontents.
Here is another one, and this adds weight to YOUR argument, did you know the U.S. Government is in the pre-stages of investigating tik-tok? The former Music.ly app? This little fact would have added some weight to your assertion that the Government (US) is sick of China gaining influence here via the net. I guess that doesn't matter as it's not a "Human rights violation".
So please, stop embarrassing yourself and either go to HK, or stfu about it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
When you enter a store and start telling all its customers how much the products suck, you will be asked to leave and are not welcome anymore.
When you enter a Blizzard event you should be allowed to say anything, because free speech.
And only 8 words? People have been hung for less.
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer