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OPINION: Google Stadia Is A Joke

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    oh man OnLive was mentioned. I remember trying that long ago and I felt like a wasn't really playing a game due to the input lag. Disassociation sets in big time. This looks the same but with slightly better resolution.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Hatefull said:

    Sovrath said:



    Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.


    The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all. 



    It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements
    So you let their lack of professionalism remove yours as well? Justifying writing like an angsty teenager by saying "I do not pull punches" "They were unprofessional first" is a pretty lame excuse in my opinion.

    There are many ways to write hard-hitting articles without resorting to schoolyard insults. While I agree with the sentiment of the article, I disagree with your presentation of said opinion.
    As we have seen in previous articles from @shankthetank, it is not enough for him  to write his article and convey his opinion. He provokes to spur discussion. Remember from another piece starting with "this is going to upset a lot of people" (something like that).

    I guess you can hardly blame him if he has been influenced by every major news outlet doing the same thing. It's a sign of the times. I personally don't like it, but who cares what I think. It's working for him because we are all talking. Not about the issue of course - the provocation.

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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230

    Albatroes said:

    Tl;dr just go with x-cloud if you MUST have a cloud gaming option. More value.



    Honestly waiting to try this one out once it expands to iOS and PC. Don’t have an Android device, but definitely interested to see if it does what it says on the tin, as it were.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    edited November 2019

    Sovrath said:





    Sovrath said:






    The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all. 






    It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements

    The term seems like a kid wrote it. It doesn't feel, at least to my sensibilities, like a professional news article.



    Except it’s not a news article. It’s an editorial, as stated in the title and throughout the piece.
    Fair enough, I just think that editorials should feel like they are from a professional not, as someone put it, an angsty teenager. Then again, I'm old enough to remember editorials that were opinion but presented professionally.

    But sure, you have issues with it, BlueT thinks that it's the start of something bigger. Continue.
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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Amathe said:
    Hatefull said:

    Sovrath said:



    Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.


    The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all. 



    It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements
    So you let their lack of professionalism remove yours as well? Justifying writing like an angsty teenager by saying "I do not pull punches" "They were unprofessional first" is a pretty lame excuse in my opinion.

    There are many ways to write hard-hitting articles without resorting to schoolyard insults. While I agree with the sentiment of the article, I disagree with your presentation of said opinion.
    As we have seen in previous articles from @shankthetank, it is not enough for him  to write his article and convey his opinion. He provokes to spur discussion. Remember from another piece starting with "this is going to upset a lot of people" (something like that).

    I guess you can hardly blame him if he has been influenced by every major news outlet doing the same thing. It's a sign of the times. I personally don't like it, but who cares what I think. It's working for him because we are all talking. Not about the issue of course - the provocation.
    Yup. I write articles because I feel socially pressured, and not because I actually believe those things. 
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Amathe said:
    Hatefull said:

    Sovrath said:



    Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.


    The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all. 



    It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements
    So you let their lack of professionalism remove yours as well? Justifying writing like an angsty teenager by saying "I do not pull punches" "They were unprofessional first" is a pretty lame excuse in my opinion.

    There are many ways to write hard-hitting articles without resorting to schoolyard insults. While I agree with the sentiment of the article, I disagree with your presentation of said opinion.
    As we have seen in previous articles from @shankthetank, it is not enough for him  to write his article and convey his opinion. He provokes to spur discussion. Remember from another piece starting with "this is going to upset a lot of people" (something like that).

    I guess you can hardly blame him if he has been influenced by every major news outlet doing the same thing. It's a sign of the times. I personally don't like it, but who cares what I think. It's working for him because we are all talking. Not about the issue of course - the provocation.
    Yup. I write articles because I feel socially pressured, and not because I actually believe those things. 
    That's not what I said, but it seems you read as well as you write.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    I am so glad I am not an MMORPG.com writer...

    /Cheers,
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    An editorial is not the same as news.
    An editorial Is a personal opinion expressed in your own words, It doesn't have to be necessarily respectful or 'professionally' worded.
    Most of the time editorials are sarcastic and funny, so the use of non journalistic expressions Is allowed.

    This Is a gaming site, not the Guardian or the Times.
    Don't expect an editorial to be at that level.
    We are talking about trivial stuff like games not important matters like politics.
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  • silentfury007silentfury007 Member UncommonPosts: 22
    edited August 2022
    I wish Stadia was the answer to consoles. 
    Post edited by silentfury007 on
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    TEKK3N said:
    An editorial is not the same as news.
    An editorial Is a personal opinion expressed in your own words, It doesn't have to be necessarily respectful or 'professionally' worded.
    Most of the time editorials are sarcastic and funny, so the use of non journalistic expressions Is allowed.

    This Is a gaming site, not the Guardian or the Times.
    Don't expect an editorial to be at that level.
    We are talking about trivial stuff like games not important matters like politics.
    You raise an interesting point (and I am not being sarcastic). 

    Is a gaming website expected to adhere to standards of journalism? Or does the fact that it is a gaming website mean it is something unserious and therefore outside of journalism? I personally think there is no distinction between serious journalism and unserious journalism. Because that will be in the eye of the reader whether a topic is serious. I'll bet, for example, the makers of Stadia think Stadia is pretty serious.

    And if there are standards of journalism to follow, are they the ones being taught in journalism schols for over 150 years? Or are they instead what we have seen play out on television every night for the past 20 years, where the historic distinctions between  "news" and "editorials" and "entertainment" are quite blurred?

    The current practice is to lead a piece with a title that is designed to upset people so they will be provoked into reading and engaging. Which is exactly what the OP is doing. And it worked!

    Is there anything wrong with that? I personally think it is ticky tacky, lame, and a substitute for talent. But not everyone feels that way (as evidenced by the millions of people who tune in every night to watch exactly things like that).


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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    EA's cloud game service actually works better FYI.
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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Amathe said:
    TEKK3N said:
    An editorial is not the same as news.
    An editorial Is a personal opinion expressed in your own words, It doesn't have to be necessarily respectful or 'professionally' worded.
    Most of the time editorials are sarcastic and funny, so the use of non journalistic expressions Is allowed.

    This Is a gaming site, not the Guardian or the Times.
    Don't expect an editorial to be at that level.
    We are talking about trivial stuff like games not important matters like politics.

    The current practice is to lead a piece with a title that is designed to upset people so they will be provoked into reading and engaging. Which is exactly what the OP is doing. And it worked!



    Or, you know, I actually believe Stadia is a joke for all the reasons I outlined in the article. But sure, people will read into it what they will instead of focusing on the content of what was said which has been proven throughout this comments section and comments of virtually any other article.
    Gdemami
  • cheebacheeba Member UncommonPosts: 196
    Amathe said:
    TEKK3N said:
    An editorial is not the same as news.
    An editorial Is a personal opinion expressed in your own words, It doesn't have to be necessarily respectful or 'professionally' worded.
    Most of the time editorials are sarcastic and funny, so the use of non journalistic expressions Is allowed.

    This Is a gaming site, not the Guardian or the Times.
    Don't expect an editorial to be at that level.
    We are talking about trivial stuff like games not important matters like politics.
    You raise an interesting point (and I am not being sarcastic). 

    Is a gaming website expected to adhere to standards of journalism? Or does the fact that it is a gaming website mean it is something unserious and therefore outside of journalism? I personally think there is no distinction between serious journalism and unserious journalism. Because that will be in the eye of the reader whether a topic is serious. I'll bet, for example, the makers of Stadia think Stadia is pretty serious.

    And if there are standards of journalism to follow, are they the ones being taught in journalism schols for over 150 years? Or are they instead what we have seen play out on television every night for the past 20 years, where the historic distinctions between  "news" and "editorials" and "entertainment" are quite blurred?

    The current practice is to lead a piece with a title that is designed to upset people so they will be provoked into reading and engaging. Which is exactly what the OP is doing. And it worked!

    Is there anything wrong with that? I personally think it is ticky tacky, lame, and a substitute for talent. But not everyone feels that way (as evidenced by the millions of people who tune in every night to watch exactly things like that).


    Journalism standards died in the 70-80s.  Give me a break.  True journalism is basically dead.  Bias everywhere....

    PS Stadia is beyond a joke.  Gave up on receiving my founder's code.

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Or, you know, I actually believe Stadia is a joke for all the reasons I outlined in the article. 
    I never questioned your sincerity. It's about how you framed the article. But again, reading.


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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    DMKano said:
    The main problem with all the game streaming services is the same - the current internet infrastructure in many parts of the world like US is just not good enough to make this work for many people.

    Once everyone has super fast connections with very low latency - this will work great - but until then - not so much.
    Tbh they need to also find some way to not pay for a service AND also need to pay fullprice for games you don't even own.

  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Amathe said:
    Or, you know, I actually believe Stadia is a joke for all the reasons I outlined in the article. 
    I never questioned your sincerity. It's about how you framed the article. But again, reading.


    And I framed it based on my sincerity. If you choose to believe I framed it in a way to, using your words,  provoke and upset then I can’t control that. You will read into it what you want to read into it. 
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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Opinion "
    I hope mmorpg doesnt continue down this road of troll baiting, for last 15 years the articles wwere some what grounded on facts which is how as forum posters were held to that standard. THis article is by far the lowest kind of #fakenews and it is annoying me rightly so. Opinions have consequences , on stocks and trade, and I really don't want my stock damaged by factless content and opinions.

    "
    Take that garbage to msnbc please.
    Nailed it
  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319


    The technology is going to continue to advance until it becomes what it is intended to be. 
    This is the groundwork for a streaming future that Google themselves will not probably be a part of. 
    What matters is to get the attention focused on it so when the tech is ready enough for mainstream consumption the general public will be more likely to embrace it. 
    This was never for core gamers.  Also the quality of the experience varies greatly. For now. 

    This is for a casual mainstream market and the biggest segment of user will be using phones. 

    To call it a 'joke' is not looking at the bigger picture and is a bit short sided and myopic. 
    This is a long game tech.
    It is what we thought it would be at launch. A year from now? 5? Google will maybe abandon it by then but others will carry it on and progress in the right direction. 
    This is the future for mainstream gaming. 
    (Mainstream gaming is the bulk of the revenue in the industry)
    Within 10 years is my guess. 
    What is being done now, not just by Google, is the foundation for the future of content distribution.  



    Until Google laces rural America with gigabit internet capability, Stadia will continue to be a joke. 10 years? Nope.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    So far as I go, you can have the last word on this because we aren't getting anywhere. You don't or won't see my point, and I tire of repeating it. So go ahead and be this style of writer if that is where your sincerity leads you. Personally I think this website can generate much better content, but for now they seem content with what you are doing. So carry on! 
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,877
    Cloud gaming is pretty much a pipe dream unless the monopoly of ISPs in the US somehow goes away or all the ISPs collectively improve as well as remove data caps.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Torval said:
    It is exactly what you implied. 
    No, it isn't. But your  opinion is noted.

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,877
    edited November 2019
    Bloodaxes said:
    DMKano said:
    The main problem with all the game streaming services is the same - the current internet infrastructure in many parts of the world like US is just not good enough to make this work for many people.

    Once everyone has super fast connections with very low latency - this will work great - but until then - not so much.
    Tbh they need to also find some way to not pay for a service AND also need to pay fullprice for games you don't even own.

    X-cloud does this. With X-cloud you can stream all the Game Pass games without paying for them as well as the games you already own on Xbox One and Windows 10. So you get Xbox Live Gold, over 100 games including new ones on both PC and Xbox, discounts on anything found in the library, and X-cloud (Stream all these things to any device). All that for 15$ a month. Meanwhile on Stadia currently, you pay for a founders pack 130$ + 10$ a month and you still have to pay full price for games to play anything outside Destiny 2 (Without the latest expansion) You can also ONLY stream games on Stadia.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Good article Shank. We need more of that around here... how do you feel about loot boxes? :)

    I can't believe some are calling out the "is a joke" part. It's a perfectly valid colloquial expression of contempt. But then again one of my favorite writers of all time was Hunter S. Thompson... but I digress.

    Methinks you hit a nerve and if knocking you for using "is a joke" is all they've got, they've got nothing.
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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Amathe said:
    So far as I go, you can have the last word on this because we aren't getting anywhere. You don't or won't see my point, and I tire of repeating it. So go ahead and be this style of writer if that is where your sincerity leads you. Personally I think this website can generate much better content, but for now they seem content with what you are doing. So carry on! 
    I don’t write to provoke or upset. I write what I beleive. I could reciprocate and suggest you won’t accept my reasons for writing. You choose to believe I write to provoke. You choose to believe I’m “this style of writer.” Fair enough. Nothing I say will fit your narrative nor change your beliefs. And so I sincerely wish you a pleasant day and restful thanksgiving if you celebrate. Cheers.
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  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 230
    Iselin said:
    Good article Shank. We need more of that around here... how do you feel about loot boxes? :)

    I can't believe some are calling out the "is a joke" part. It's a perfectly valid colloquial expression of contempt. But then again one of my favorite writers of all time was Hunter S. Thompson... but I digress.

    Methinks you hit a nerve and if knocking you for using "is a joke" is all they've got, they've got nothing.
    Me thinks folks are getting hung up on the title and not actually reading the content where I back up my arguments. But to suggest people comment without reading the content would be a preposterous assertion indeed.
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