Very well, then that settles it. Then a Ryzen 5 3600 or 3600x depending on price difference with 3200/3600 ram sticks.
I won't use multiple gpus for sure (imo it's a gimmick). I'll see about motherboard choices that work with that processor and move from there.
Thanks for the detailed explanations
makes sure you read the ram specification on the motherboard first, then read the ram specification on the cpu. frequencies differ for mobo manufactures.
Choosing what to get is the tricky part as in europe the price jump is quite big compared to what Vrika and Asm0deus show here
If you want to save money, one thing you might want to check is whether they've got cheap Ryzen 2700X's available.
Ryzen 2700X has a bit worse single-core performance than the 3600 I recommended, but it has more cores than 3600 so for situations that use really lot of cores it's slightly better.
Ryzen 2700X wouldn't be my first choice of upgrade from your current CPU, because while it's more than twice as fast if the program can use a lot of cores, you'd be getting only something like 10% increase in performance for programs that don't scale past 4 threads. I don't know which game(s) you'd like to run faster and whether they'd get only 10% speed advantage or a huge speed advantage from that upgrade.
But sometimes there are cheap Ryzen 2700X's available, and with Ryzen 2700X you could also get cheap B450 motherboard without any BIOS problems those are all compatible. If you want to save money but still upgrade, check what Ryzen 2700X price would be.
Also, I'd highly recommend running games off of an SSD. If you had to $100 to upgrade the old computer, adding more SSD capacity is the easy call. Replacing the CPU, motherboard, and memory (to get a recent CPU, you'll also need a new motherboard and memory) only makes sense on a considerably larger budget.
Just wanted to comment on this, that I highly recommend getting more SSD space, but if you also want to do a CPU upgrade soon then it's better to try the CPU upgrade at the same time because then you can buy a faster nvme SSD. Old SATA SSDs aren't any cheaper than the new nvme SSDs, they're just slower because they need to work with older tech.
That would raise the price a lot tough. The ryzon 7 3700x alone, is around 360 euro without including shipping or higher if i had to get it locally.
Do you have black friday sales coming up at the end of the month? I don't live in the USA so everything is a little more expensive for me too but we do have BF and they often have some decent combo deals.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
That would raise the price a lot tough. The ryzon 7 3700x alone, is around 360 euro without including shipping or higher if i had to get it locally.
Do you have black friday sales coming up at the end of the month? I don't live in the USA so everything is a little more expensive for me too but we do have BF and they often have some decent combo deals.
Oh yea we do! I'll be looking for such deals I'm also going to buy a new smartphone hoping I get a deal on that as well haha.
The biggest price jump is on the x570 motherboards. They're around 170 euro compared to that american price.
I know that I won't realistically get double the performance, but processors haven't been advancing as much. I've had this processor for 5+ years now, and it's still viable somehow.
It's viable because making games that harness more of the cpu would limit the market. I would wait until at least the end of 2020. There will be a serious shift in cpu architecture moving forward with a larger market for games. Intel will have an answer for AMD, and it will most likely include more cores.
Your cpu is not bottlenecking your gpu...your ram is the culprit. You need AT LEAST 32GB...you can get by with new MB and 16GB of DDR4...still 32GB would be better.
If what world does anyone need 32gb of memory for playing games? 99% of any games you play won't even use 16gb.
The SSD suggestions here are your best bet, I just got a 1TB SSD for under $100.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
little late but I will chip in, I would recomend a full redo of cpu mother board and memory, getting some ddr4 plus some nice 9 generation cpu with a mobo who could support both would help a lot more then anything, also putting your games on SSD also improve the whole deal.
so if you are on a low budge I recomend you save for more time, you don't need to rush, also window shop a lot in search for a good offer, you can also look if you find anything good today, since its black friday, and even if you don't live on US, most comerce kinda are using this as a excuse to also sell things, dont go for much on too old or too cheap parts, this tend to cost more later since you will have to upgrade sooner, the key part is to upgrade with parts you can get cheap enough but not much old then normal tech
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
Yeah the 570 mobo are a little high up on pricing here too and the ram has gone up in price as well. There was no decent sales so far on the ram 3200c14 or 3600c16 I would like to get.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
You can get a B450 motherboard that supports the latest processors. You just have to read the details carefully. MSI seems to have basically refreshed their B450 motherboard lineup by putting MAX on the end of it to indicate that all BIOSes to ever exist for that SKU support third gen Ryzen, so that there's no risk if getting a motherboard shipped with an old BIOS.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
You can get a B450 motherboard that supports the latest processors. You just have to read the details carefully. MSI seems to have basically refreshed their B450 motherboard lineup by putting MAX on the end of it to indicate that all BIOSes to ever exist for that SKU support third gen Ryzen, so that there's no risk if getting a motherboard shipped with an old BIOS.
Quite a few of the msi boards also have a bios flash button so you can flash the bios with no cpu in and only the mobo plugged into the psu.
All in all MSI pretty much dominated the b450 boards from what research I did and have top notch vrm's.
Note this is not so when looking at other chipset, notably for the new 570's msi wasn't very great from all reports.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
You can get a B450 motherboard that supports the latest processors. You just have to read the details carefully. MSI seems to have basically refreshed their B450 motherboard lineup by putting MAX on the end of it to indicate that all BIOSes to ever exist for that SKU support third gen Ryzen, so that there's no risk if getting a motherboard shipped with an old BIOS.
I'd rather not bother going through bios if I have to be honest. Besides, I'm not getting any upgrade anytime soon so they might lower in price.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
You can get a B450 motherboard that supports the latest processors. You just have to read the details carefully. MSI seems to have basically refreshed their B450 motherboard lineup by putting MAX on the end of it to indicate that all BIOSes to ever exist for that SKU support third gen Ryzen, so that there's no risk if getting a motherboard shipped with an old BIOS.
I'd rather not bother going through bios if I have to be honest. Besides, I'm not getting any upgrade anytime soon so they might lower in price.
My point is that MSI refreshed their lineup so that they can guarantee you that some particular motherboards will certainly come with a BIOS that already supports the new CPUs, so that you don't have to update it yourself. If you get an older motherboard, there's a risk that you would have to update it yourself.
For example, can you tell the difference between these two motherboards?
The physical layout looks exactly the same to me. Same LAN, same audio, same rear panel ports, same everything. The most notable physical difference is the color scheme for some doodling on the heatsinks.
There's really only one important difference: the latter motherboard wasn't available until about four months ago, while the former was available more than a year earlier. The oldest BIOS in existence for the latter thus supports third gen Ryzen, while various earlier BIOSes on the former do not. It's almost certainly possible to update the former to get third gen Ryzen support. But if you get the second motherboard, it's 100% guaranteed that you won't have to.
I have a 3600x on the way which I got at a nice low price of $265CAD taxes everything included and I also got myself a nice tomahawk max for $155CAD all included.
Only thing I am still looking around for is some ram, newegg wasn't great this year so far for BF deals tbh.
To be honest, I decided to wait. I mainly created the thread to know what I should be looking for when I do happen to upgrade. Still, there where some BF deals that had the i5-9600k almost the same cost of the ryzen 5 3600x. The "problem" with ryzen is the motherboard. They're quite costly if I have to be honest (at least in europe) for the ones that support the newer processors.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
You can get a B450 motherboard that supports the latest processors. You just have to read the details carefully. MSI seems to have basically refreshed their B450 motherboard lineup by putting MAX on the end of it to indicate that all BIOSes to ever exist for that SKU support third gen Ryzen, so that there's no risk if getting a motherboard shipped with an old BIOS.
I'd rather not bother going through bios if I have to be honest. Besides, I'm not getting any upgrade anytime soon so they might lower in price.
My point is that MSI refreshed their lineup so that they can guarantee you that some particular motherboards will certainly come with a BIOS that already supports the new CPUs, so that you don't have to update it yourself. If you get an older motherboard, there's a risk that you would have to update it yourself.
For example, can you tell the difference between these two motherboards?
The physical layout looks exactly the same to me. Same LAN, same audio, same rear panel ports, same everything. The most notable physical difference is the color scheme for some doodling on the heatsinks.
There's really only one important difference: the latter motherboard wasn't available until about four months ago, while the former was available more than a year earlier. The oldest BIOS in existence for the latter thus supports third gen Ryzen, while various earlier BIOSes on the former do not. It's almost certainly possible to update the former to get third gen Ryzen support. But if you get the second motherboard, it's 100% guaranteed that you won't have to.
Yes and no. A max msi b450 board will have a ryzen 3k bios yes but they still have bios updates and they can still have issues.
The main difference between a msi b450 mobo non MAX version and MAX version is that the MAX version has a different bios chip that is 32mb while the non max version has a 16mb bios chip.
Now you can still update the 16mb non max mobo with a ryzen 3k bios but you will have to settle for an old fashioned text based bios over the newer graphic UI a 32mb bios chip provides which is potentially also easier for msi to deal with in the long run.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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Ryzen 2700X has a bit worse single-core performance than the 3600 I recommended, but it has more cores than 3600 so for situations that use really lot of cores it's slightly better.
Ryzen 2700X wouldn't be my first choice of upgrade from your current CPU, because while it's more than twice as fast if the program can use a lot of cores, you'd be getting only something like 10% increase in performance for programs that don't scale past 4 threads. I don't know which game(s) you'd like to run faster and whether they'd get only 10% speed advantage or a huge speed advantage from that upgrade.
But sometimes there are cheap Ryzen 2700X's available, and with Ryzen 2700X you could also get cheap B450 motherboard without any BIOS problems those are all compatible. If you want to save money but still upgrade, check what Ryzen 2700X price would be.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The biggest price jump is on the x570 motherboards. They're around 170 euro compared to that american price.
The SSD suggestions here are your best bet, I just got a 1TB SSD for under $100.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Ram is tricky as the prices have been rising lately.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
For example, can you tell the difference between these two motherboards?
https://www.newegg.com/msi-performance-gaming-b450-gaming-plus/p/N82E16813144191
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144264
The physical layout looks exactly the same to me. Same LAN, same audio, same rear panel ports, same everything. The most notable physical difference is the color scheme for some doodling on the heatsinks.
There's really only one important difference: the latter motherboard wasn't available until about four months ago, while the former was available more than a year earlier. The oldest BIOS in existence for the latter thus supports third gen Ryzen, while various earlier BIOSes on the former do not. It's almost certainly possible to update the former to get third gen Ryzen support. But if you get the second motherboard, it's 100% guaranteed that you won't have to.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.