This is going to be great.... more new people discovering the project... downloading it to try and pledge for s tarter package.. or wait for next patch.
Its one thing to be a fan of the game but another to not be worried at the current state of it. If someone has 250+ million of largely donation money you want to know its in good hands. Can any fan really say they are completely confident?
In what industry can you say something is nearly done (stating Squadron 42) only a year away from being ready in 2015 and now being told its 2021 at the earliest? Whose making these projections and working on these time tables? These same people are supposedly in charge of properly managing a 250m budget?
I get that these guys got far more cash than they asked and in turn upped the scope of their game immeasurably but this insane development is getting out of hand. 2021 for Sq42 so 2022/2023 at the earliest for Star Citizen?
The rational / reasonable approach is release your base game, make sure it works and then you can release FREE expansions that are massive in scope to accomodate all the funding they've received. Trying to pack everything in at launch is a recipe for disaster. Especially in this market where first impressions are everything.
We all love the ambition that is Star Citizen but they need to take an objective step back on what they can realistically deliver as polished for launch. Scale back the scope, release the game and add the rest in 6 month updates.
That's literraly what they are doing today. Beta SQ42 in 4 quarters and SC switching to no wipe (unless mandatory) next year, with most features and gameplay added at least in V1 (salvage, medic, transport of container, repair, Thetre of War...)
Don't worry. The world isn't running out of low IQ suckers.
true... but comment section are more evolving around scam spammer with not much IQ. Proven true at each free week offered by CIG and new backers joining every day
Even if was the worst mismanagement and ended up being trash on release. . it's not a crime and they already have the money. I'm going to guess you were being sarcastic? I mean there has already been so much coverage for anyone that cares. . people who aren't invested finding out what everyone who has put in money already knows. . that won't change much.
called fraud, there is an expectation of what the game is supposed to be ,if no attempt to meet,it is fraud. if they have not made any progress in development it is as well fraud.you cannot say i will create a gold unicorn than put a horn on a horse and paint it gold.
Project does not sell Unicorn but Two triple-A. And we can test/play every day with Beta on sight in 4 quarters... all from scratch. Fraud is as real as scam or ponzi. Only low IQ guys use it by now
Oh dear we have reached the stage where we have articles about other upcoming articles from other media sources. Detractors will say how this confirms all their theories no matter how tenuous their theories may be, white knights will dismiss all concerns no matter how well founded they may be.
Might I suggest we actually wait and see what Click has to say?
...poor you, you are not pointing out any fallacies, you are at best making your owns.
Uh huh, and so it would be easy for you to add my fallacies to this list of wild claims you are accumulating. Perhaps one day you'll have more than 1 item on it and then you can share the evidence to prove yourself right, or perhaps not
Do you need a virtual hug or someone to talk to because you can always PM me if that's the case.
there are two versions of "Click", a short piece that is broadcast on BBC1, usually early morning Saturday or Sunday (15 mins), or there is a longer version available online. been watching for years, they occasionally do investigative bits when there is a "large" issue on the table and for instance have reported on failures of 3g, 4g and 5g network building in the UK, the whole Huawei scandal, and things like "should we allow our homegrown tech companies be bought by foreign investors". It is usally pretty harmless stuff, though they have done some amazing episodes in the past so maybe don't write it off until you see it. weekly show with over 1000 episodes so far...
As they have in the past reported on how the largest entertainment industry currently is gaming they may be focusing on "what should you expect from a $250M budget game" or possibly star citizen in the context of how much trust do you put in a kickstarter/crowdfunded project - and why place this trust - known developers, previous games, etc.
Edited to include second paragraph to explore possible content of show in context.
rpmcmurphy said: these guys would try and have you believe that a game 8 years in development at the cost of over $300 million with more than 500 people working on it, is still just fine being an alpha.
...ehm, what is your basis for thinking it isn't?
or day before:
rpmcmurphy said: Wow, this is some grade A pie-in-the-sky fantasy. A prime example of proving the thread title correct.
How can anyone look at the current game, its AI or economy, the work of 7+ years, and believe it's going to evolve into some Turing Test challenging shit or its economy is going to surpass something like EVE Online.
Right now the AI can't even navigate a straight line, in every Citcon video they have to dodge the AI to stop it from turning the demo to shit. Basic pathfinding is fucked in this game.
How many years until you think all of this will actually be a thing?
day before yesterday...
rpmcmurphy said:
As more and more time goes on it becomes more and more obvious why CR was turned down by all the publishers prior to trying out kickstarter. I bet every person who made the decision not to get involved with him receives a beefy bonus each year that this fiasco continues...
How anyone can look at what CIG have done and say with a straight face that it's $300 million well spent is beyond me.
MaxBacon said:
Now they have big bucks and big resources they are making the big game we want with. gg us!
They don't though. The money is being spent as fast (actually faster) than it comes in. There is no warchest, no rainy fund, no nest egg. It's a project built on a house of cards.
some random from recent history:
rpmcmurphy said:
Tony Z's panel was crap. Just dressing up what every other game does as though it's something special for SC.
Most importantly though is that they were talking about this stuff 5 years ago and it still remains as nothing more than notes in Tony's pocketbook. I swear the bloke spends all day sat in a deck chair somewhere drinking pina colada's and dreaming up ideas for economies and missions without ever actually putting any of it to work.
Well... more free advertising. Nobody is fucked and certainly not the project. Forbes article was the pinnacle of click-bait article with a compilation of past memes and compilation... and boosted pledges during May
We know haters PREY every day that at least one of their prophecy of Doom become reality but it won't happen.
2019 is already end of Nov. the best year for pledges. 3.8 add contents that not a single Triple-A have despite SC being an Alpha.
Let's see how this BBC show is turning... Guess what... the fuc... ones will be haters again ... especially if they do bring Erin or local CIG guys as it is in UK.
Good luck with your hater attitude. You won't go nowhere
The same bs about development time keeps coming up. Here are a few crappy games nowhere near the size and scope of this one (subjective):
Elder Scrolls Online (7 years)
Fortnite: (6 years)
Galleon: (7 years)
L.A. Noire: (7 years)
Spore: (8 years)
Too Human : (9 years)
Team Fortress 2: (9 years)
Prey: (11 years)
Diablo III: (11 years)
And the cost - GTA 5 cost 265 million to get it to the market and plenty of ongoing costs since.
..except, all of the above have been made with their own money. That's a very big difference here. If you fail to realize why's that, then i'm not going to be your "wikipedia" source.
Plus, no other game from that list, had the SC budged.
But don't worry, SC will soon top every game from your list. Wonder what you'll say then.
"..yes, it has been 15 years since they are working on SC, but the game is biiig, so that's why it hasn't been released yet. People need to have more patience. Give it another 15 years to be released! PS: Game is awesome ( Personal Comment: What Game?! ) . I love it!!!"
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
They should hold him accountable and have his assets seized liquidated and refunded to all the backers and have prison time given out. The is usually not accepted anywhere else(unless there is money cover up going to politicians) so why should it be difference because this is a video game medium?
It isn't any different.
The creation and introduction of a MMORPG, especially one ostensibly on the cutting edge, is a high risk investment.
Potential failure is a cost of doing business, and in fact is generally accepted everywhere, provided a sincere effort to succeed was made. It was, however, something the public was largely insulated from as we used to bear none of the risk as we entered at the final product stage.
Enter crowd-funding.
Now, if we so desire, we can invest in incomplete projects, bearing a portion of that financial risk while at the same time having no claim on the potential rewards of success or remedy in the event of failure. Aren't we lucky.
It is unlikely the penalties you seek will be forthcoming.
Those that chose to contribute did so at their own risk.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
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Just because I point out your fallacies, like this one, does not make me an expert.
I am not the one here to make wild claims about game development.
That's literraly what they are doing today. Beta SQ42 in 4 quarters and SC switching to no wipe (unless mandatory) next year, with most features and gameplay added at least in V1 (salvage, medic, transport of container, repair, Thetre of War...)
true... but comment section are more evolving around scam spammer with not much IQ. Proven true at each free week offered by CIG and new backers joining every day
Project does not sell Unicorn but Two triple-A. And we can test/play every day with Beta on sight in 4 quarters... all from scratch. Fraud is as real as scam or ponzi. Only low IQ guys use it by now
Might I suggest we actually wait and see what Click has to say?
As they have in the past reported on how the largest entertainment industry currently is gaming they may be focusing on "what should you expect from a $250M budget game" or possibly star citizen in the context of how much trust do you put in a kickstarter/crowdfunded project - and why place this trust - known developers, previous games, etc.
Edited to include second paragraph to explore possible content of show in context.
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Regardless, just from yesterday:
or day before:
day before yesterday...
some random from recent history:
Well... more free advertising. Nobody is fucked and certainly not the project. Forbes article was the pinnacle of click-bait article with a compilation of past memes and compilation... and boosted pledges during May
We know haters PREY every day that at least one of their prophecy of Doom become reality but it won't happen.
2019 is already end of Nov. the best year for pledges. 3.8 add contents that not a single Triple-A have despite SC being an Alpha.
Let's see how this BBC show is turning... Guess what... the fuc... ones will be haters again ... especially if they do bring Erin or local CIG guys as it is in UK.
Good luck with your hater attitude. You won't go nowhere
Plus, no other game from that list, had the SC budged.
But don't worry, SC will soon top every game from your list. Wonder what you'll say then.
"..yes, it has been 15 years since they are working on SC, but the game is biiig, so that's why it hasn't been released yet. People need to have more patience. Give it another 15 years to be released! PS: Game is awesome ( Personal Comment: What Game?! ) . I love it!!!"
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Elder Scrolls Online (7 years)
Fortnite: (6 years)
Galleon: (7 years)
L.A. Noire: (7 years)
Spore: (8 years)
Too Human : (9 years)
Team Fortress 2: (9 years)
Prey: (11 years)
Diablo III: (11 years)
Are those the dates from start to release, or from start to an indefinite alpha?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
......
hahahahaha, I almost wrote that with a straight face.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!