You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
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You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
Random people you wouldn't expect.
I logged into league and half of my old highschool friends were still playing it logged in and I didn't even know they still played video games to be honest.
With Runescape it's a similar thing. I worked in a warehouse for a while and some co workers were the opposite of people I would expect to be playing an MMORPG but it turns out they all played Runescape. It's a little weird.
You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
If you don't play these games that's likely why you never cross paths with these people. No one I know personally plays FPS, BR, or Sports titles, but if I logged onto league right now I'd see people I haven't spoke to in 8 years in a game.
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You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
If you played Runescape or League of Legends you could ask ...
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You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
Random people you wouldn't expect.
I logged into league and half of my old highschool friends were still playing it logged in and I didn't even know they still played video games to be honest.
With Runescape it's a similar thing. I worked in a warehouse for a while and some co workers were the opposite of people I would expect to be playing an MMORPG but it turns out they all played Runescape. It's a little weird.
100% agree. I worked with a guy at Panera Bread a long while back. This guy was a sports guy who hated video games. However, every day he came into work he brought a laptop with him. The place had wifi so he would set up Runescape and while he was working he would be farming and what not. Only checking on the game every now and then to make sure his character was fine and doing what it was supposed to do.
I worked with a guy years ago who was starting on an NCAA basketball team and played runescape at work. That game has a hold on the most unlikely people.
If you don't play these games that's likely why you never cross paths with these people.
I have never played Dark Age of Camelot, but I know lots of people who have. Same for Rift. Same for AC. That's true of many other games too. But I take your point, that I would meet more of them if I played their games.
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I would 100% play Runescape if it had a skill cap, or had a server with slightly different rules that had skill caps. I honestly don't understand why games put in an rpg system if you can max everything, and every maxed character is exactly the same. Builds give a reason for everything, allow for alts and promotes more playing, etc. Max everything systems end equally games with no rpg system. It just doesn't make any sense to me. This and that real money game I forget the name of. Both have solid systems, and both ruined it by allowing everyone to max everything with no skill caps.
I would 100% play Runescape if it had a skill cap, or had a server with slightly different rules that had skill caps. I honestly don't understand why games put in an rpg system if you can max everything, and every maxed character is exactly the same. Builds give a reason for everything, allow for alts and promotes more playing, etc. Max everything systems end equally games with no rpg system. It just doesn't make any sense to me. This and that real money game I forget the name of. Both have solid systems, and both ruined it by allowing everyone to max everything with no skill caps.
You realize how long it takes to max everything right? If you are just trying to get all of the skills to 99 it's something like 2400 hours if you are being efficient and not stopping to do anything else. Even then, if you want to completely max (200m in everything) it takes something like 15k hours. Then on top of that there is gear you can grind out and quests as well if you didn't already get all of those complete.
... if you want to completely max (200m in everything) it takes something like 15k hours.
15,000 hours. 625 days. Just think what you could do with that amount of time? You could learn another language. Get an Associate's degree. Work out until you look like the Rock (or whatever the female equivalent of that is).
Or you could just attain a skill level in this video game.
I try not to think of such things. I have wasted so many hours as it is on my own games.
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I would 100% play Runescape if it had a skill cap, or had a server with slightly different rules that had skill caps. I honestly don't understand why games put in an rpg system if you can max everything, and every maxed character is exactly the same. Builds give a reason for everything, allow for alts and promotes more playing, etc. Max everything systems end equally games with no rpg system. It just doesn't make any sense to me. This and that real money game I forget the name of. Both have solid systems, and both ruined it by allowing everyone to max everything with no skill caps.
You realize how long it takes to max everything right? If you are just trying to get all of the skills to 99 it's something like 2400 hours if you are being efficient and not stopping to do anything else. Even then, if you want to completely max (200m in everything) it takes something like 15k hours. Then on top of that there is gear you can grind out and quests as well if you didn't already get all of those complete.
The specific and whole reason I play a game is because I am interested in their rpg systems, learn the system, and try to exploit the system with weird builds by testing myself at max level. Max everything systems have no builds, or have one build depending on how you look at it, so the amount of time to get to cap with everything is irrelevant. It doesn't, and never will give me what I want.
For that real money game (whats the name? Entropy I think?) its the same issue. Or even games with no systems at all beyond picking a class, like EQ when it first came out. How long it takes to get to max level, or max every skill, is irrelevant. If there are no builds I have no interest.
Runescape could quickly fix this by just adding a server with a skill cap, like only enough points to max out 7 skills. That would make the game go from complete shit to worth playing for me, promote alts, testing, trying, etc.
For people like you, you'd have the main server. I don't see the issue. Choice is good.
... if you want to completely max (200m in everything) it takes something like 15k hours.
15,000 hours. 625 days. Just think what you could do with that amount of time? You could learn another language. Get an Associate's degree. Work out until you look like the Rock (or whatever the female equivalent of that is).
Or you could just attain a skill level in this video game.
I try not to think of such things. I have wasted so many hours as it is on my own games.
Yeah, I think about that a lot but in general games keep me occupied and having a fun time so I don't think of it as wasting time, more as having a nice experience. But yeah 15k hours in one game would be a little much I think.
... if you want to completely max (200m in everything) it takes something like 15k hours.
15,000 hours. 625 days. Just think what you could do with that amount of time? You could learn another language. Get an Associate's degree. Work out until you look like the Rock (or whatever the female equivalent of that is).
Or you could just attain a skill level in this video game.
I try not to think of such things. I have wasted so many hours as it is on my own games.
Yeah, I think about that a lot but in general games keep me occupied and having a fun time so I don't think of it as wasting time, more as having a nice experience. But yeah 15k hours in one game would be a little much I think.
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You have read I am sure about dark matter, the mysterious substance that makes up a considerable portion of our universe that we cannot see? I have long felt the same way about the gaming community. There are supposedly a bazillion people playing games like Runescape and League of Legends. Who are these people? I never cross paths with them.
Random people you wouldn't expect.
I logged into league and half of my old highschool friends were still playing it logged in and I didn't even know they still played video games to be honest.
With Runescape it's a similar thing. I worked in a warehouse for a while and some co workers were the opposite of people I would expect to be playing an MMORPG but it turns out they all played Runescape. It's a little weird.
These types of people usually play "well known" games such as League of Legends, Runescape, Call Of Duty, Counter-Strike. These games have huge, well established fan bases.
Runescape is the type of game we should see in the bargain bin for 5-10 bucks...total.Even at $5 total i would not be playing it,maybe it excited some people back in the day who can't let go but in 2020 it is a dated ,below average game.
Buy hey,maybe since they have a million subs i should be playing it...right? i mean i don't use any criteria for picking my games,i simply look at the numbers posted and think..oh man i SHOULD be playing this game !!.
OK i just realized something that makes this all seem real now.Not like me to forget this easy but yeah this game like many bad games are surviving based on bots and making loads of money.Not sure how that is done exactly and don't really care.
So these people are running tons of accounts,ONE person running MANY accounts,10...20...50+.In the video i think one dude was running 100 bots on one farm.
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Runescape is the type of game we should see in the bargain bin for 5-10 bucks...total.Even at $5 total i would not be playing it,maybe it excited some people back in the day who can't let go but in 2020 it is a dated ,below average game.
Buy hey,maybe since they have a million subs i should be playing it...right? i mean i don't use any criteria for picking my games,i simply look at the numbers posted and think..oh man i SHOULD be playing this game !!.
OK i just realized something that makes this all seem real now.Not like me to forget this easy but yeah this game like many bad games are surviving based on bots and making loads of money.Not sure how that is done exactly and don't really care.
So these people are running tons of accounts,ONE person running MANY accounts,10...20...50+.In the video i think one dude was running 100 bots on one farm.
"Buy hey,maybe since they have a million subs i should be playing it...right? "
Wizard lol, no one is asking you to pay Runescape. Clearly you don't like it, there are lots of games I don't enjoy playing but other people do. I believe the point of the article was simply to show that allot of people do play and like it just the way it is, and it has fairly high sub numbers, which if cool. Its MMO news on a site that posts MMO news.
Wonder which franchise has made the most money since launch. While WoW would be an obvious answer, Everquest has EQ1 and EQ2, has run for 21 and 16 years and have 26 and 19 expansions. We did the math a few years ago and with both accounts, my wife and I had spent over $50k on Everquest since launch. I think I am around $15k on WoW and the wife never played it.
I always say Runescape was my MMO training wheels. I loooved this game. Quests were not just kill 10 wolves but were complicated and usually required looking something up and took hours often for the larger ones that opened up content in the game even.
What eventually drove me away was click to move and carpal tunnel.
I wear a wrist guard these days and not so bad but I would probably be playing lots of Runescape if it wasnt click to move. Never did find a game with such invovled questing as this. Glad to see it keeps going.
I recently logged in to Runescape 3 just to see if my account from 10+ years ago was still around and I was shocked to find it was !
Based on a really, REALLY small amount of annecdotal evidence, I have a theory:
Women love it.
I have noticed over the past few years that there is a really quiet, but surprisingly dedicated group of female gamers who will latch onto certain games and play them for years. Specifically, I've seen them latch onto Runescape, ESO, WoW, The Witcher 3 and Skyrim.
When speaking to these women, I would often get quite excited about meeting lady gamers but I was very quickly disabused of that notion. They do not consider themselves gamers. In fact, outside of the games I mentioned, they basically don't play anything else at all.
So, I got curious and tried to find out why these games, and why wouldn't they play other games.
The reason?
They didn't give a shit about gameplay. Not one bit. They loved creating characters, playing "dress up" (sorry, that sounds so condescending, i apologise but easiest way to get the message across) and occasionally doing some roleplaying. That applies to Runescape, ESO, Skyrim and WoW. For the Witcher 3, they played purely because they thought Geralt was hot and they enjoyed the roleplaying opportunities and riding around on Roach.
I remember asking one of my friends what they did when playing ESO. She replied that a good evening was 1-2 hours spent on the character creator, designing a new toon. That was it. No gameplay. No nothing, just pure character creation. She said most of the time, she'd delete the character immediately, but if she liked it she might play it for a few levels before deleting.
As I said, this theory is based on a very small amount of annecdotal evidence so it is probably very wrong, but it holds true amoungst the people I know. I'd be curious to know if others have come across similar people.
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Based on a really, REALLY small amount of annecdotal evidence, I have a theory:
Women love it.
I have noticed over the past few years that there is a really quiet, but surprisingly dedicated group of female gamers who will latch onto certain games and play them for years. Specifically, I've seen them latch onto Runescape, ESO, WoW, The Witcher 3 and Skyrim.
When speaking to these women, I would often get quite excited about meeting lady gamers but I was very quickly disabused of that notion. They do not consider themselves gamers. In fact, outside of the games I mentioned, they basically don't play anything else at all.
So, I got curious and tried to find out why these games, and why wouldn't they play other games.
The reason?
They didn't give a shit about gameplay. Not one bit. They loved creating characters, playing "dress up" (sorry, that sounds so condescending, i apologise but easiest way to get the message across) and occasionally doing some roleplaying. That applies to Runescape, ESO, Skyrim and WoW. For the Witcher 3, they played purely because they thought Geralt was hot and they enjoyed the roleplaying opportunities and riding around on Roach.
I remember asking one of my friends what they did when playing ESO. She replied that a good evening was 1-2 hours spent on the character creator, designing a new toon. That was it. No gameplay. No nothing, just pure character creation. She said most of the time, she'd delete the character immediately, but if she liked it she might play it for a few levels before deleting.
As I said, this theory is based on a very small amount of annecdotal evidence so it is probably very wrong, but it holds true amoungst the people I know. I'd be curious to know if others have come across similar people.
Indeed it is a very small amount of anecdotal evidence.
Let me tell you as an over 60 year old female player's point of view on what I enjoy in games. I don't spend that much time on character creation at all in fact my husband spends way more time on it and he collects outfits in games like SWTOR and I don't.
I like crafting, housing and I enjoy PvE a lot. I want to be able to craft and use what I craft for a significant portion of the game. I do enjoy dungeon delving but as my age is advancing my hands are not as agile I have had to slow down on the more twitchy aspects of current games. I simply adore decorating houses and was smitten with the farming and trading aspects in games like Archeage and Black Desert Online. Everquest was another game I loved and Everquest 2 housing was simply fantastic.
From my conversation with many female players who are female as I have actually heard their voices many younger ones play a lot of games for PvP. They younger girls all grew up playing games and they are seriosly into PvP in WoW. I personally was surprised how many of them enjoyed PvP.
I met several older women even older than I am who enjoy making alts and just levelling in WoW and games like LotRO and ESO.
I do not think you can make generalisations on why women play certain games. Lot of it is hogwash given how the current generation plays games. When you watch Korean or Chinese dramas the number of women who play games and play it well is quite a revelation in those cultures.
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I logged into league and half of my old highschool friends were still playing it logged in and I didn't even know they still played video games to be honest.
With Runescape it's a similar thing. I worked in a warehouse for a while and some co workers were the opposite of people I would expect to be playing an MMORPG but it turns out they all played Runescape. It's a little weird.
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Or you could just attain a skill level in this video game.
I try not to think of such things. I have wasted so many hours as it is on my own games.
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For that real money game (whats the name? Entropy I think?) its the same issue. Or even games with no systems at all beyond picking a class, like EQ when it first came out. How long it takes to get to max level, or max every skill, is irrelevant. If there are no builds I have no interest.
Runescape could quickly fix this by just adding a server with a skill cap, like only enough points to max out 7 skills. That would make the game go from complete shit to worth playing for me, promote alts, testing, trying, etc.
For people like you, you'd have the main server. I don't see the issue. Choice is good.
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These types of people usually play "well known" games such as League of Legends, Runescape, Call Of Duty, Counter-Strike. These games have huge, well established fan bases.
Buy hey,maybe since they have a million subs i should be playing it...right? i mean i don't use any criteria for picking my games,i simply look at the numbers posted and think..oh man i SHOULD be playing this game !!.
OK i just realized something that makes this all seem real now.Not like me to forget this easy but yeah this game like many bad games are surviving based on bots and making loads of money.Not sure how that is done exactly and don't really care.
So these people are running tons of accounts,ONE person running MANY accounts,10...20...50+.In the video i think one dude was running 100 bots on one farm.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Wizard lol, no one is asking you to pay Runescape. Clearly you don't like it, there are lots of games I don't enjoy playing but other people do. I believe the point of the article was simply to show that allot of people do play and like it just the way it is, and it has fairly high sub numbers, which if cool. Its MMO news on a site that posts MMO news.
What eventually drove me away was click to move and carpal tunnel.
I wear a wrist guard these days and not so bad but I would probably be playing lots of Runescape if it wasnt click to move. Never did find a game with such invovled questing as this. Glad to see it keeps going.
I recently logged in to Runescape 3 just to see if my account from 10+ years ago was still around and I was shocked to find it was !
Let me tell you as an over 60 year old female player's point of view on what I enjoy in games. I don't spend that much time on character creation at all in fact my husband spends way more time on it and he collects outfits in games like SWTOR and I don't.
I like crafting, housing and I enjoy PvE a lot. I want to be able to craft and use what I craft for a significant portion of the game. I do enjoy dungeon delving but as my age is advancing my hands are not as agile I have had to slow down on the more twitchy aspects of current games. I simply adore decorating houses and was smitten with the farming and trading aspects in games like Archeage and Black Desert Online. Everquest was another game I loved and Everquest 2 housing was simply fantastic.
From my conversation with many female players who are female as I have actually heard their voices many younger ones play a lot of games for PvP. They younger girls all grew up playing games and they are seriosly into PvP in WoW. I personally was surprised how many of them enjoyed PvP.
I met several older women even older than I am who enjoy making alts and just levelling in WoW and games like LotRO and ESO.
I do not think you can make generalisations on why women play certain games. Lot of it is hogwash given how the current generation plays games. When you watch Korean or Chinese dramas the number of women who play games and play it well is quite a revelation in those cultures.