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Microsoft's AI Is Making Raid Bosses Even Harder
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Microsoft's AI Is Making Raid Bosses Even Harder
Microsoft shared new AI details which apparently create unbeatable raid bosses.
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The problem is making them fun. Not so sure you will get an AI there any time soon... but maybe. We do have algorithms that can crank out pop hits on the music charts, so why not boss encounters?
It is not a problem for us, the players. It's a problem for them.. they want to monetize in-game items when you keep failing.
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I should start by saying FFXI ALREADY does this since day 1,so yeah this idea of thinking mobs has been around for ohhhhh at least 18 years.If you use some ability or spell that hampers a mob too much over time it becomes more immune to that you get to a point your spells won't work sometimes and eventually not at all.
ANYONE on this planet can make a hard Boss and no it doesn't have to be a RAID,why do we keep aiming for Raids anyhow?
I can use an example of a mob in FFXI that is not even a boss,let alone a raid boss.It can charm you and once charmed your dead,There are mobs that cast DOOM,you get a countdown to death.
There are mobs that remove the hate meter and reset it so your mage might become victim to instant death.Some mobs have what is called Draw IN ,pulls everyone in close,so no standing miles away.
You can simply give a mob a high regain,so much that it keeps up with the dps,you can script the mob to heal itself at intervals or give it a FFXI ability called "Benediction"heals to full and allow the mob to sue it several times.There are countless ways to make a mob very difficult ,morphing mobs are another example or some take flight so all your melee players are doing nothing.
This guy is acting like Microsoft has developed something special...lmao.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
We spend hours....days...weeks ..months years developing our characters then when we fight a boss the devs take those skills away from us..immune...immune...immune.What is the point of giving us good skills only to say they don't work now,i mean we don't need those quality skills versus trash mobs.
What is the point anyhow when every single mmorpg has gone in the direction of gear scores?The gear is what matters NOT you the player.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Instead of entering an encounter where every player knows exactly how a boss will act and when, this would allow for more exciting challenges where players won't know what to expect and have to change their strategies on the spot. I'd definitely enjoy that more than "Ok, this boss has 3 special attacks. 4 phases where players have to stand in these designated spots. When the boss does this, everyone do that. When the boss does that, everyone do this. Bing bang boom we're done and off to the next scripted fight."
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The overall experience isn't changed but making it the most efficient you can would require testing, training, or planning over the course of time rather than spanking it once you figure out the proper method.
What do players even want? If you say sandbox I'ma puke.
Are you kidding? Most of the time players have a hard enough time learning the fight themselves."
Now the bosses will "learn" all their screw ups.
Look! The boss is standing in a red circle killing itself!
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They need to focus on making websites like Icy-veins and wowhead completely defunct so that by the time websites post a boss strat or a cookie cutter spec the whole dynamic changes and players are forced to just play the game and learn over time on their own what works for them completely organically.
Also, and I've been saying this for years, take Diablo's procedurally generated dungeons and make that the bog standard for a 2020's MMO. Why have devs not taken this approach? Go into a dungeon and you turn left....the next time you walk in you go right....the next you go straight, etc.
Add to that multiple weapon types for bosses aka first boss battle in SAO. All the players knew that at 30% health or something the boss goes into an enrage mode and pulls out an axe which gives that boss a set number of attacks, of which they were all preparing for. Then, oh crap, he didn't pull out an axe, instead it was a kodachi, so boss had a completely different set of attacks.
I know it isn't simple or else it would already be done, but those are the things that will set apart a 2020's MMO from all the other been there, done that MMO that seem to be coming down the pipeline.
Humans simply aren't able to beat perfect AIs. Deep Blue, for example.
Making smart AI isn't the problem in MMORPGs. It's making FUN AI that is.