Law suits leave no room for bullshit. While CI / Chris Roberts can put on a grand show to the public, which has been quite obvious to some for a while now, they can't play the same dog and pony show in court. You all should thank Crytek for shedding some truth about the current state of both games.
What truth though?
Did you read the article? Of course not. So let's start with you doing that. Once you locate the obvious facts presented within about the current state of the game revealed in court versus the current state of the game revealed to the public, you'll understand. Basically, CI / Chris Roberts has been telling the public one thing, yet in court revealed to have a completely different answer.
CIG doesn't have to say much about the public about what is happening with SQ42(Even though they're pretty open about what needs work). They keep the community pretty updated on SC and from that we know which parts of the single player experience needs work.
CryTek knows they're fucked and cannot win so all they can do is keep the case afloat as long as possible and hope something changes in their favor.
Old news but Crytek is moving to have its lawsuit against CI dismissed without prejudice. The prevailing theory is that SQ42 will not be coming out by the court date of October so there won’t be anything to sue against. Without prejudice means Crytek can refile the lawsuit when, and if, SQ42 releases.
CI wants Crytek to pay a portion of legal fees if they do dismiss.
Crytek dropped this bomb with the legal filing
“This case has been marked by a pattern of CIG saying one thing in its public statements and another in this litigation. For example, at the outset of this case, CIG had publicly claimed it had switched to using the Lumberyard Engine for both Star Citizen and Squadron 42, but was forced to confirm during this litigation that no such switch had taken place.”
Everything should be taken with a grain of salt of course but perhaps it’s time to question why during discovery Crytek thinks SQ42 won’t even get a release by the trial date schedule for October hence the dismissal
Jokes on Crytek, none of these games will ever release; CR will make sure of that.
those one liners with no evidence XD [no meme this time... as per your usual? no personal attacks and gas lighting this time?]
so far Chris Roberts has released several games. why would this one not release... Lets also be honest derek smart has not really ever released a single playable game... this one is clearly playable.
3.8 has shown some promise and the 3.8.1 ptu was pushing 60 players. [thats players, and a slew of ai and ships+ planetoids]
evidence shows this is happening, sooner or later.
so maybe actually put in some effort instead of low effort posts...
Chris Roberts hasn’t released a completed game in something like 20 years. From what I’ve seen of videos of him he’s still living in that time period
You know that each time your name comes up, it's time to stop reading. You bring zero importance to any post. Just the same old regurgitated bs.
As always: Chris Roberts has never released a game on his own. All his released games came when he had Origin Systems in charge. I suspect that Warren Spector was added as co-producer to Wing Commander, to get it releasable after CR failed in that arena. He wasn't chosen to do WC2. His second game, Strike Commander, was three years late. Digital Anvil failed.
The Microsoft manager who took over Digital Anvil's Freelancer production says he thought Chris Roberts funneled money and effort that was supposed to go to Freelancer to the Wing Commander Movie. Certainly grounds to wonder what's going on presently at CIG.
Crytek may or may not have a provable case. That's why it's best to avoid the legal system if you can. No telling what will come of it. And that goes for both sides.
Because lawyers. Lawyers never change....
Rumours spread by you and claims that have been proven untrue here several times. Repeating them does not make them any more true than the first 24 times you posted it.
You are missing the point so widely that it tends toward intentional obtuseness. Note the Developer in that list? Origin Systems. That's the point. Roberts did all his published work while working within the support system of Origin Systems. And Origin had a CFO who could control Roberts. Note that they actually had to credit designers Jeff George and Jason Templeman. 'Cause CR loves to have his name in all the credits. Probably in his contract.
Want me to get the quote from the Microsoft guy about Roberts and Freelancer? I can also copy the email where I mentioned it months before the story. That's the connection to this Crytek suit. Roberts (with Freyermuth I'd bet) played fast and loose with the money at Digital Anvil. So, did he do it to Crytek? The Roberts cabal is a shifty bunch, so I'd say 'yes'. Whether it rises to the level of illegal culpability, who knows. The US is very lenient on its millionaires.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Exactly, such as a viable release date. Do I really have to research every time SQ42 or Star Citizen was expected to release just so you understand my point? Because it's definitely been publicized more than once for each game.
Sorry but your argument has no facts to it, the court documents say nothing about the state of both games that we don't already know. The state of both SC and SQ42 is public, the progress transpires and so does the scale of the needed work remaining, delays included.
Everyone could have easily figured SQ42 would not release this summer since the roadmap update late 2018, Crytek would need to just read the roadmap itself, in actual fact, the backers were more aware on the status of the SP campaign than Crytek was, nobody said mid-2020 was the release even, it's when it moves from Alpha to Beta...
This is exactly what hints Crytek just wants to drop case and uses this as the excuse, otherwise they would have done it before instead of spending over a year of legal fees when such fact became obvious in late 2018 it wouldn't release by trial date.
As far as the lawsuit. I imagine Crytek is waiting for them to maybe possibly release something and get some money before they sue. Hard to get blood from a turnip. I also suspect the money 'invested' was what Crytek was hoping to get a settlement from, which was probably more than likely 'protected'.
Invested money is not protected from lawsuits.
Also more importantly, Crytek doesn't need to target that money specifically because backer money is not protected from lawsuits either. If Crytek wins, Crytek will get the money.
Agree. If they are awarded any money they will get it.
The question: who exactly will get any money. Crytek made lots of claims. The majority of the claims have had rulings against them; the others not yet decided. They stand to get money + costs for any they win; to pay costs for any they lose. And when the issue of a bond being posted the court reviewed the case and decided that Crytek may well have to pay CIG ordering Crytek to put up $500k.
Now in a trial things may go all Crytek's way - or not. As it stands though Crytek may have to pay CIG. And the higher the costs the more Crytek may end up having to pay. Even if they "win" some of their points.
Exactly, such as a viable release date. Do I really have to research every time SQ42 or Star Citizen was expected to release just so you understand my point? Because it's definitely been publicized more than once for each game.
Sorry but your argument has no facts to it, the court documents say nothing about the state of both games that we don't already know. The state of both SC and SQ42 is public, the progress transpires and so does the scale of the needed work remaining, delays included.
Everyone could have easily figured SQ42 would not release this summer since the roadmap update late 2018, Crytek would need to just read the roadmap itself, in actual fact, the backers were more aware on the status of the SP campaign than Crytek was, nobody said mid-2020 was the release even, it's when it moves from Alpha to Beta...
This is exactly what hints Crytek just wants to drop case and uses this as the excuse, otherwise they would have done it before instead of spending over a year of legal fees when such fact became obvious in late 2018 it wouldn't release by trial date.
You could also say: "So what?" SC and SQ42 will launch on Lumberyard not CryEngine. When it launches is of no consequence.
Probably why Crytek are now trying - by misrepresenting a CIG statement - that CIG have not changed to Lumberyard! An about face on one of their previous claims. Which was rejected,
If Crytek's request to dismiss (their own case) is rejected they will have a decision to make about whether to carry on or drop it altogether.
Hopefully CIG get the 500k that Crytek is scamming. Would be great to see justice and have 500k more to develop with. 500+ employees cost a great deal per year.
Hopefully CIG get the 500k that Crytek is scamming. Would be great to see justice and have 500k more to develop with. 500+ employees cost a great deal per year.
Even in best case scenario CIG would only get their legal costs reimbursed. They can't really gain money from this, the question is whether they break even, lose some, or lose much.
EDIT: They do get publicity, though, and publicity might bring them sales and that way profit
Hopefully CIG get the 500k that Crytek is scamming. Would be great to see justice and have 500k more to develop with. 500+ employees cost a great deal per year.
I am all for Chris Roberts getting justice.....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Hopefully CIG get the 500k that Crytek is scamming. Would be great to see justice and have 500k more to develop with. 500+ employees cost a great deal per year.
Even in best case scenario CIG would only get their legal costs reimbursed. They can't really gain money from this, the question is whether they break even, lose some, or lose much.
EDIT: They do get publicity, though, and publicity might bring them sales and that way profit
You would expect that to be so.
However if Crytek continue putting out statements for which there - seems to be -no evidence (CIG not using Lumberyard being an example) they may find themselves the recipient of a counter-claim for defamation.
Which could cost them. Would CIG bother? Might depend how "nasty" things get.
I now had time to read IN DETAIL the newest court documents and watch Leonard Frenchs' video (comments from a professional lawyer).
I had previously underestimated the hilarious comedy value of CIGs response to Crytek and the language used therein, as CIG meticulously and with gusto dissects Cryteks attempt to bug out without prejudice out of the trial Crytek themselves has started, and without losing their 500.000 $ bond (which the judge has already reduced from CIG initial 2+ M$ estimate because Crytek was in financial problems ... AGAIN !).
CIGs' analogy "Crytek crashes car into storefront, do donuts for 2 years, back out, circle the block, waiting for another go" is priceless ;-D
And it is just one of many linguistic gems. ("....Crytek files the Kitchen Sink ... ")
One can really hear the mirth in CIGs' lawyers language as he delivers punches again and again. The list of Cryteks failed (or plain false) claims that goes on for pages - all but two having already been dismissed by court and judge .... grab some popcorn for that! "The chart above recounts the lamentable trail of Crytek’s litany of meritless claims."
And the coup de grace - Amazons mail response to Crytek
(Timestamp 19:37 in the Leonard French video).
(Crytek learns from Amazon that CIG acquired broader rights to CryEngine than Crytek thought ...1.5 YEARS into the case ;-D
"What Crytek did not know" (because they did not ask ;-) before) "is that the license also included rights to prior versions of CryEngine itself, rights which Amazon granted in order to minimize the engineering time it would take CIG to migrate to Lumberyard."
(with the icing on the cake that Cryteks "big name" international law firm Skadden Arps has already buggered off because they know whats coming ;-D )
I now had time to read IN DETAIL the newest court documents and watch Leonard Frenchs' video (comments from a professional lawyer).
I had previously underestimated the hilarious comedy value of CIGs response to Crytek and the language used therein, as CIG meticulously and with gusto dissects Cryteks attempt to bug out without prejudice out of the trial Crytek themselves has started, and without losing their 500.000 $ bond (which the judge has already reduced from CIG initial 2+ M$ estimate because Crytek was in financial problems ... AGAIN !).
CIGs' analogy "Crytek crashes car into storefront, do donuts for 2 years, back out, circle the block, waiting for another go" is priceless ;-D
And it is just one of many linguistic gems. ("....Crytek files the Kitchen Sink ... ")
One can really hear the mirth in CIGs' lawyers language as he delivers punches again and again. The list of Cryteks failed (or plain false) claims that goes on for pages - all but two having already been dismissed by court and judge .... grab some popcorn for that! "The chart above recounts the lamentable trail of Crytek’s litany of meritless claims."
And the coup de grace - Amazons mail response to Crytek
(Timestamp 19:37 in the Leonard French video).
(Crytek learns from Amazon that CIG acquired broader rights to CryEngine than Crytek thought ...1.5 YEARS into the case ;-D
"What Crytek did not know" (because they did not ask ;-) before) "is that the license also included rights to prior versions of CryEngine itself, rights which Amazon granted in order to minimize the engineering time it would take CIG to migrate to Lumberyard."
(with the icing on the cake that Cryteks "big name" international law firm Skadden Arps has already buggered off because they know whats coming ;-D )
What an entertaining read !!
Have fun
To put it mildly it doesn't pull its punches. This is not a "meek" response.
(I get the impression that the "settlement negotiations" were around how the legal costs would be covered but fell through because of Crytek wanting no prejudice, right to refile etc. The GLA both parties signed says the loser pays. )
That’s all well and good but thought I read somewhere that CI is still using a Crytek engine tool that lumberyard doesn’t use. And it begs the question why would Crytek file a legal document stating that CI was forced to confirm that no such switch has taken place
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<snip?> Basically Crytek is saying CI is still using their code/tools to build the game while Chris Roberts said no we switched everything to lumberyard in a matter of days using only 2 engineers (which sounds like a lot of crap to me lol)
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Things we now know add to what you read:
a) CIG entered into discussions with Amazon after Amazon announced their plans for Lumberyard - several months before CIG made the change; b) Amazon granted CIG rights to all previous / "old" versions over and above whatever they have included in Lumberyard to facilitate the mitigation. What presumably made "2 people, 2 days" possible.
And infer that: c) Crytek assumed (know?) that the standard Lumberyard agreement doesn't include some old stuff; (assuming here that Crytek are not simply stupid). d) Crytek assumed that CIG had a "standard" Lumberyard agreement; e) CIG exercised due diligence in making sure they could change to "Lumberyard" without violating the GLA they had with Crytek. (Which Amazon duly confirmed).
This also covers your "no such switch" bit as well of course. CIG having confirmed - pre-discovery - that the "code" hasn't changed. Which - somewhat infamously now - Crytek represented as the "licence" has not changed.
Does beg the question why Crytek 1) took so long to ask Amazon 2) why they carried on after they had Amazon's answer. Money?
And it has finally ended, the outcome was the lawyers won. As Crytek couldn't get their claims through, the case got dismissed with prejudice with Crytek and CIG eating up both their legal costs (they pursued settlement talks after CIG protested dismissal without prejudice wanting the 500k bond Crytek paid the court).
All the lawsuit hype turns into one massive waste of time, and money, something already announced when this was filed by lawyers who followed this case since the start.
This is a real good statement as to how $$$ wins and justice does not.Yeah your right ,the lawyers wins,nothing but a money gig.
IMO Crytek got conned,CIG knows they scammed them but in the end,CIG has a lto of free money they were given to play with and Crytek does not nor can they afford a real lawsuit.
IMO Crytek must have some terrible lawyers to get conned the first time then just waste their time and money again.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
ORDER
Pursuant to the joint stipulation between the parties, and for good cause shown,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED:
(1)The case is dismissed with prejudice.
(2)The parties are to bear their own respective attorneys’ fees and costs.
TLDR: Case is over and Crytek can not sue them for anything that was in this lawsuit ever
again.
This is a real good statement as to how $$$ wins and justice does not.Yeah your right ,the lawyers wins,nothing but a money gig.
IMO Crytek got conned,CIG knows they scammed them but in the end,CIG has a lto of free money they were given to play with and Crytek does not nor can they afford a real lawsuit.
IMO Crytek must have some terrible lawyers to get conned the first time then just waste their time and money again.
Crytek did not get conned. They couldn't provide the support they promised to CIG and for a time couldn't even pay their own employees. CIG saw the writing on the wall and after Crytek sold the engine to amazon saw a way and and possibly a better partnership. CIG paid Crytek plenty of money for full rights to the engine source code and was within their rights to switch to amazon as was determined by the court. You just don't like the result because you have an irrational hate for CIG.
Pray tell ... explain to us the difference between CryEngine and Lumberyard ;-)
Have fun
Yeah, I don't get that either. Really thought hooking up with Amazon was a clever move for CIG. Of course I also think Amazon will end up buying SC to showcase its servers, etc. Especiallly given the New World iffyness.
It'd take them a couple of years to get it up to snuff for release though, just like Freelancer.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
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CryTek knows they're fucked and cannot win so all they can do is keep the case afloat as long as possible and hope something changes in their favor.
Want me to get the quote from the Microsoft guy about Roberts and Freelancer? I can also copy the email where I mentioned it months before the story. That's the connection to this Crytek suit. Roberts (with Freyermuth I'd bet) played fast and loose with the money at Digital Anvil. So, did he do it to Crytek? The Roberts cabal is a shifty bunch, so I'd say 'yes'. Whether it rises to the level of illegal culpability, who knows. The US is very lenient on its millionaires.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Everyone could have easily figured SQ42 would not release this summer since the roadmap update late 2018, Crytek would need to just read the roadmap itself, in actual fact, the backers were more aware on the status of the SP campaign than Crytek was, nobody said mid-2020 was the release even, it's when it moves from Alpha to Beta...
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/bat5eh/psa_squadron_42_does_not_come_out_in_q2_2020/
This is exactly what hints Crytek just wants to drop case and uses this as the excuse, otherwise they would have done it before instead of spending over a year of legal fees when such fact became obvious in late 2018 it wouldn't release by trial date.
The question: who exactly will get any money. Crytek made lots of claims. The majority of the claims have had rulings against them; the others not yet decided. They stand to get money + costs for any they win; to pay costs for any they lose. And when the issue of a bond being posted the court reviewed the case and decided that Crytek may well have to pay CIG ordering Crytek to put up $500k.
Now in a trial things may go all Crytek's way - or not. As it stands though Crytek may have to pay CIG. And the higher the costs the more Crytek may end up having to pay. Even if they "win" some of their points.
Probably why Crytek are now trying - by misrepresenting a CIG statement - that CIG have not changed to Lumberyard! An about face on one of their previous claims. Which was rejected,
If Crytek's request to dismiss (their own case) is rejected they will have a decision to make about whether to carry on or drop it altogether.
EDIT: They do get publicity, though, and publicity might bring them sales and that way profit
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
However if Crytek continue putting out statements for which there - seems to be -no evidence (CIG not using Lumberyard being an example) they may find themselves the recipient of a counter-claim for defamation.
Which could cost them. Would CIG bother? Might depend how "nasty" things get.
https://www.docdroid.net/jvZtFTX/document.pdf#page=28
For anyone interested.
(I get the impression that the "settlement negotiations" were around how the legal costs would be covered but fell through because of Crytek wanting no prejudice, right to refile etc. The GLA both parties signed says the loser pays. )
a) CIG entered into discussions with Amazon after Amazon announced their plans for Lumberyard - several months before CIG made the change;
b) Amazon granted CIG rights to all previous / "old" versions over and above whatever they have included in Lumberyard to facilitate the mitigation. What presumably made "2 people, 2 days" possible.
And infer that:
c) Crytek assumed (know?) that the standard Lumberyard agreement doesn't include some old stuff; (assuming here that Crytek are not simply stupid).
d) Crytek assumed that CIG had a "standard" Lumberyard agreement;
e) CIG exercised due diligence in making sure they could change to "Lumberyard" without violating the GLA they had with Crytek. (Which Amazon duly confirmed).
This also covers your "no such switch" bit as well of course. CIG having confirmed - pre-discovery - that the "code" hasn't changed. Which - somewhat infamously now - Crytek represented as the "licence" has not changed.
Does beg the question why Crytek 1) took so long to ask Amazon 2) why they carried on after they had Amazon's answer. Money?
https://docdro.id/MjI2SL9
All the lawsuit hype turns into one massive waste of time, and money, something already announced when this was filed by lawyers who followed this case since the start.
IMO Crytek got conned,CIG knows they scammed them but in the end,CIG has a lto of free money they were given to play with and Crytek does not nor can they afford a real lawsuit.
IMO Crytek must have some terrible lawyers to get conned the first time then just waste their time and money again.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
TLDR: Case is over and Crytek can not sue them for anything that was in this lawsuit ever again.
It'd take them a couple of years to get it up to snuff for release though, just like Freelancer.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.