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MMOSide Chat - MMORPGs On Streaming Services - Do You Want Them?

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imageMMOSide Chat - MMORPGs On Streaming Services - Do You Want Them?

With ESO hitting Stadia this week, Bradford wondered if there was an ideal MMO he'd like to see on a streaming platform.

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    edited June 2020
    Buying games today comes more like renting than owning. My problem is game companies dropping one service and jumping to another, forcing gamers to rebuy the game to keep playing on another service. I would love to see more MMOs end on streaming services but they should keep supporting games on any service they were part of, or give free copies to new services they jump too. Gamers are going to need more protection as this market grows. IMO this is the real topic of this new shiny thing called streaming/cloud service.
    StoneRosesVezlin
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,367
    edited June 2020
    Yes i do !

    my gf has a potatoe laptop , and on quarentine we were able to play some games thanks to streaming! (Aion , destiny 2 and The divison 2)
    he was amazed max graphics and no input lag or anything (ping was around 200 tho)
    for leveling , dungeons and raids is ok , but pvp and competitions i guess not viable for now ! at least on my country.


    Vezlin
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195
    Yup. Why wouldn't you? The issue is the service itself. If I can get one service to stream everything, then it would be a service worth using. 



  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,832
    Short answer is "no", I don't want any on streaming services.

    But I also don't really care.


    If I want a good gaming session, that means sitting and playing in a dedicated space, i.e. my desk. I have a comfy seat, large desk, and good PC peripherals. So, the advantage of being able to stream a game anywhere means nothing to me, because I'd only want to play at my desk so I can have the best experience.


    Second, the other advantage of streaming (off-loading the processing) also doesn't really affect me. I'm a PC gamer who loves his hobby, so spending money on a good PC every few years isn't going to change anytime soon. Even if every single game I wanted to play moved over to streaming services, I would still want to have good PC for all the other good reasons to own a PC.



    So, theres literally no reason for me to play via a streaming service.....even assuming they could fix all the problems with the technology. Which they can't.



    Finally, I am aware that I am not the target market for game streaming services. It hasn't been designed for gamers like me, even if they are making the mistake of trying to market the service to me.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    um no or I don't care.

    What would streaming an mmorpg actually get me?

    I have a good computer and much better internet now that I've upgraded.

    What I don't want is paying for more services if I don't have to.

    Everyone wants their hand in our wallets. At some point I've said "no" to a variety of things because there's only so much per month I want to pay for "services."
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  • donzin08donzin08 Member UncommonPosts: 40
    Obviously not everyone would use it, and the people have completely dedicated spaces, systems, internet etc clearly do not care. But there's something to be said for being able to do some menial stuff in an mmo like dailies or gathering/crafting that requires little focus. Being able to do that anywhere via a phone, tablet etc would never be a "bad" thing. When i want to raid or pvp im clearly going to be at my PC. But leveling alts or something could be fun sitting on the couch or whatever.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    edited June 2020

    Sovrath said:

    um no or I don't care.

    What would streaming an mmorpg actually get me?

    I have a good computer and much better internet now that I've upgraded.

    What I don't want is paying for more services if I don't have to.

    Everyone wants their hand in our wallets. At some point I've said "no" to a variety of things because there's only so much per month I want to pay for "services."



    When ESO was on GeForce Now before Zeni jumped ship to Stadia. I loved logging in with my phone or tablet to chat with the guild, manage the auction house (guild traders) do dailies and events. Of course when I wanted to do some serious gaming I would head to my desktop. But sitting on the couch watching TV with my wife. Having access like I mentioned above was really nice. Even for just logging in to get my daily reward. This is the kind of thing people have been asking of their MMOs for years. An app for your phone or tablet to do all that little stuff. Streaming my MMO gave me that.
  • MaximusNovaMaximusNova Member UncommonPosts: 27
    I in no way support what Elder scrolls online did, this was a cheep move an anti consumer dick move. Drop from GFN so ppl have to buy again on Stadia.
    I have only one thing to say to them Fuck you.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    I'm not interested in a game streaming service until it can do something that isn't clearly worse than what I can get from running games on my local hardware. Playing PC games on a phone is not an interesting use case to me, and wouldn't be even if it didn't present control problems. There are interesting things that could theoretically be done with game streaming, but as best as I can tell, no one is interested in actually doing them.

    The one that I'd really like to see is free trials. Have a service that lets you play a very small amount of content completely for free, and without having to download and install the game. Imagine being able to try the first 10 minutes worth of content of any game that you please, completely for free, and without any download. The graphical sharpness will be somewhat diminished by the reality of streaming, but that won't substantially change the art style. It will let you see the basics of what a game is about quickly. If you like it, then you get the opportunity to buy and download the full game--and continue your saved game from the trial version if you so choose. And if you don't like it, then just toss it without having waited two hours for the game to download.

    Another one that is possible but probably won't ever happen is making it possible to do rendering things that aren't practical on most consumer hardware. Think of a fully ray-traced game that has to spread rendering across 4 or 8 GPUs in order to get a good frame rate. Something that needs a seriously powerful server on the back end isn't going to be accessible to consumer hardware. That's where renting access to more powerful hardware makes sense, not games that could be run just fine on some cheap desktop with integrated graphics. And especially not when that cheap desktop gives you a better gaming experience than streaming because of the reduced latency.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    I play games 100% at home either on my recliner for PS4 or my comfortable chair and desk set-up for PC games. I have zero desire to play games anywhere else so a resounding no from me.

    The tech is interesting, new and evolving so I do enjoy reading about it the same way I would follow any other evolving tech that I have no interest in using myself.
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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    I'm not interested in streaming services. I'm certainly not interested in paying monthly fees for single player games.

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  • SaelemSaelem Member UncommonPosts: 31
    I’ve played several using Shadow PC for over a year now and most work really well. I play on a MacBook and normally on Ethernet so it works better for me than it might for someone trying with an iPad or phone. I basically use it to game from my couch so I can be with my family, watch tv, etc. I don’t own a gaming PC, so it’s an option that works well for me.
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  • AreteoAreteo Member UncommonPosts: 55
    No interest whatsoever.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I go way way back to Justin.Tv,thought it was a cool idea,then ff to present day and Twitch.After a few years i got really turned off by Twitch and what it stands for,i actually now detest streamers.

    EVERY single streamer is there to get affiliated and to spam their channel with 10 different ways to donate.Why the hell would i want to give a streamer money,for what,playing a video game?To support your poor spending habits buying goofy gamer chairs,fancy microphones you never needed?
    I seriously couldn't care less if every single streamer disappeared or if Twitch.TV disappeared.
    I am still begging developers to make me some HQ games instead of all the crap i keep seeing come out.

    There lies my point,start delivering HQ games before worrying about streamers.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Wizardry said:
    I go way way back to Justin.Tv,thought it was a cool idea,then ff to present day and Twitch.After a few years i got really turned off by Twitch and what it stands for,i actually now detest streamers.

    EVERY single streamer is there to get affiliated and to spam their channel with 10 different ways to donate.Why the hell would i want to give a streamer money,for what,playing a video game?To support your poor spending habits buying goofy gamer chairs,fancy microphones you never needed?
    I seriously couldn't care less if every single streamer disappeared or if Twitch.TV disappeared.
    I am still begging developers to make me some HQ games instead of all the crap i keep seeing come out.

    There lies my point,start delivering HQ games before worrying about streamers.
    And here we have a comment that proves that the writer didn't even make it to the first sentence of the article.
    [Deleted User]TacticalZombehcameltosis
  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 573
    Yep, couldn't agree more.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,367

    Wizardry said:

    I go way way back to Justin.Tv,thought it was a cool idea,then ff to present day and Twitch.After a few years i got really turned off by Twitch and what it stands for,i actually now detest streamers.



    EVERY single streamer is there to get affiliated and to spam their channel with 10 different ways to donate.Why the hell would i want to give a streamer money,for what,playing a video game?To support your poor spending habits buying goofy gamer chairs,fancy microphones you never needed?

    I seriously couldn't care less if every single streamer disappeared or if Twitch.TV disappeared.

    I am still begging developers to make me some HQ games instead of all the crap i keep seeing come out.



    There lies my point,start delivering HQ games before worrying about streamers.



    lol u didnt even read the article.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I'll ask this SIMPLE question...WHY do you think i didn't read the article?

    WE can go back several years and right away i was like wtf is with all the double clicking.Someone in the forums actually asked,wtf.
    So Bill in typical company man shill boots responded with some sort of excuse,it's a new server,we are going through some changes,whatever the excuse was it was BS.
    As you can see they still force everyone to click through to get to the actual article and VERY often once you do there is nothing there to read.

    So it makes ME...YOU all look like fools when sometimes you click that extra time and there is actually nothing there,maybe one more sentence with a link.

    There is no reason for the "read full story here" and this site knows it,that is why Bill made up some excuse when asked the first time we saw this.

    On the topic of streaming services like Stadia.Well if they can offer me something better than gaming from my PC ,keyword BETTER then maybe but i doubt it.I would be adding a new connection that doesn't already exist which is me to the service cost.Then Stadia controls the frame rates and resolution,i don't see the real benefit,just another player trying to cash in on gaming.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,370
    I think the concept of not having to download a client, and patch it, and just be able to possibly log into my mmorpg drug of choice anywhere with a net connection sounds awesome.

    Currently I'm enjoying ESO on Stadia. I think it would be great if each mmorpg could offer their own streaming service as part of any subscription they might have.

    The only thing I think that's currently missing is the ability to use community mods.
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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,832
    Wizardry said:
    I'll ask this SIMPLE question...WHY do you think i didn't read the article?


    I think you didn't read the article because it was about streaming services such as Stadia, NVidia Now etc, i.e. services that stream games

    You chose to respond about twitch, i.e. services that stream videos of other people playing games.


    Completely different subjects.

    If you want to moan about something like twitch, im right there with you, absolutely hate those services. Not only do I think it promotes the absolute worst aspects of gaming, but it remains incomprehensible to why you'd waste time watching someone else playing a game when you could be playing the game yourself. But, this is the wrong thread for that.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Wizardry said:
    I'll ask this SIMPLE question...WHY do you think i didn't read the article?
    Because your rant about "streaming" was about as relevant to the article as if you had seen the word "stream" and instead gone on a rant about fishing and water pollusion.

    I realize that the rest of the post that I've mostly cleared for space is basically a rant about why you shouldn't be expected to read an article before typing up lengthy replies to it.  But that really just concedes the point.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Wizardry said:
    I'll ask this SIMPLE question...WHY do you think i didn't read the article?

    WE can go back several years and right away i was like wtf is with all the double clicking.Someone in the forums actually asked,wtf.
    So Bill in typical company man shill boots responded with some sort of excuse,it's a new server,we are going through some changes,whatever the excuse was it was BS.
    As you can see they still force everyone to click through to get to the actual article and VERY often once you do there is nothing there to read.

    So it makes ME...YOU all look like fools when sometimes you click that extra time and there is actually nothing there,maybe one more sentence with a link.

    There is no reason for the "read full story here" and this site knows it,that is why Bill made up some excuse when asked the first time we saw this.

    On the topic of streaming services like Stadia.Well if they can offer me something better than gaming from my PC ,keyword BETTER then maybe but i doubt it.I would be adding a new connection that doesn't already exist which is me to the service cost.Then Stadia controls the frame rates and resolution,i don't see the real benefit,just another player trying to cash in on gaming.


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