This just in! Most players of video games do not know or care who published the game they are playing! Aside from seeing the SOE logo they will not give a shit! Most players play games for fun, not for politics.
Just because some people on some video game forums may care, most players don't even visit video game forums.
Originally posted by Rekindle Originally posted by Harafnir Do not know about dead, but they lost about 50% of their future costumers in one quick sweep. Mythic and Funcom are rubbing their hands in delight.
No matter what people say the people who arent posting on the forums should be factorerd in....... I have 5 friends who have nothing to do with any forums and they all said the exact same thing. No matter how good the game is there is no talking them into playing now-- one guy would rather play DOTA then pick up anything remotely close to being associated w/ an SOE product.
tis a dam shame, this was gonna be one that went down in the books, but now we will never be able to trust anything that comes from it because SOE is involved.
I love how people make up stats... 50% won't buy it now? hah! Thats a joke, where did that come from.
Secondly, if we're just talking "my friends"... well all of my gaming buds, 10+ folks mind you, WILL be trying it out now BECAUSE of it being under the SoE pass. They would not have touched it otherwise.
Originally posted by Jimbobjoe5 Is there anywhere to go to find what the beta testers think about the game? All this speculation is bs I just want to know if the game's good or not
Sorry no logic allowed here. You have to base your game playing decisions on publisher alone, not entertainment.
Besides that, best bet is checkout Vanguard site official forums see if anything is in there (I havent really looked) Or look at the thread here somehwere about "Sorry to dissapoint you guys" it has links to some E3 views.
I smell poop these days when I think of this game or read about it Even if it turns out to be fantastic, it is now tainted by doubt, as many people seem to be saying "wait and see" instead of "can't wait!"
Originally posted by Leaddor I smell poop these days when I think of this game or read about it Even if it turns out to be fantastic, it is now tainted by doubt, as many people seem to be saying "wait and see" instead of "can't wait!"
oh and please, add Vanguard to station pass !! I'm having a blast with eq (that i haven,t touch in more then 3 years) and EQ II. Let,s not talk about SWG.
Originally posted by Jimbobjoe5 Is there anywhere to go to find what the beta testers think about the game? All this speculation is bs I just want to know if the game's good or not
Not without breaking the nda. Doesnt really matter though, the game is still beta and not in a release state.
Man you people need to get a grip. You saying Vanguard is Dead, Brad McQuaid was the man behind Everquest, Everquest 2, Planetside etc. Brad went to SOE to help with:
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release, to SOE's Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOE's MMO titles for one low monthly price.
Brad McQuaid will still have control of the game not SOE, and another thing SOE was not the reason for the mass exit of SWG. NO, you can think George Lucas, cause George Lucas seen what kind of following SOE had and what kind of money that Everquest and Everquest 2 made. No, George Lucas wanted SWG to be like that and he wanted the game to be more in the line of his movies. THIS is what caused SWG to fall. SOE just followed what Lucas Arts told them to do.
what amazes me is the fact that people are still JUST finding out about this ... the "pissed offness" of people learning SOE is now publishing vanguard seems to come in waves ... you had the inital wave from the hardcore day to day game site surfers ... then the secondary wave " weekend browsers".. and now it seems the third wave the " casual browsers" are learning about SOE's involvement and trying to get into the mix and re-ignite the fire
Originally posted by beautyisin Originally posted by busdriver
Originally posted by beautyisin
I am an idiot, end of story...
fixed it for ya
complete originality in every mmo.... yeah right, the game is nothing like eq/eq2 which have little in common anyway, your a troll a dumb one at that. Vg is nothing like EQ?? What happened to "VG is EQ done right"?
Im troll? Well you sir are a rapid fanboi. Have fun with your copycat game
Originally posted by JMoney95 This just in! Most players of video games do not know or care who published the game they are playing! Aside from seeing the SOE logo they will not give a shit! Most players play games for fun, not for politics. Just because some people on some video game forums may care, most players don't even visit video game forums.
Agreed.
Hardcore gamers or Hardcore forum trolls read these forums and post but are a small percentage of the population in a MMORPG game. Even those on these boards and others are not above being a hypocrit when it comes to boredom and lack of MMORPGs to play.
Look at how the MMORPG gaming space is now. People who swore they would never play EQII are trying it because WOW was finished in a month and they're bored. Do they come back on these forums and say "I was a tool for saying I would never play a SOE product"? No they simply run out to Best Buy and grab a copy. If EQII get old then people who swore WOW was too childish and cartoony for their tastes walk into Walmart and bring home a copy in a unmarked bag.
I will say I still believe SOE is the "devil" of the gaming industry and that if they have their hands in development then I will definitely wait and watch a game and read reviews and opinions before purchase but they do not have their hands in development just admin and publicity stuff for Vanguard. If open beta is fun then I will buy the game. If Smed wants to pat himself on the back for finally stealing a GOOD game for his little stable then I won't lose sleep over it.
As someone else mentioned in this post, It would be really fun to watch and see if Warhammer or Conan got SOE to handle publishing or funding or something. Chances are any big MMORPGs over the next few years are going to be funded by Microsoft, SOE or EA or some big faceless corporation so bend over and get ready. Smed is probably buying your MMORPG dream team an expensive steak and playing footsy with them as you read this.
Originally posted by JMoney95 This just in! Most players of video games do not know or care who published the game they are playing! Aside from seeing the SOE logo they will not give a shit! Most players play games for fun, not for politics. Just because some people on some video game forums may care, most players don't even visit video game forums.
I was under the impression that the people who frequent these types of forums are their player-base. Given that your average joe is going to grab his copy of WoW and head out the door.
Alienating a good portion of them before the game even comes out, can't be good... I wouldn't think. But, hey -- I've been wrong before.
Originally posted by beautyisin Originally posted by busdriver Originally posted by beautyisin I am an idiot, end of story...
fixed it for ya
complete originality in every mmo.... yeah right, the game is nothing like eq/eq2 which have little in common anyway, your a troll a dumb one at that. You're right about it being nothing like eq but i found it very similar to eq2.
Originally posted by Harafnir Do not know about dead, but they lost about 50% of their future costumers in one quick sweep. Mythic and Funcom are rubbing their hands in delight.
IMO, once the hype of the initial shock wears off, 90% of that 50% will be downloading the client to try Vanguard. Rest assured, nobody hates the breaking news, but people eventually just say screw it and come to a realization that 'SoE' is going to do good things for Vanguard.
Not to mention. I am fairly sure that with this news, they've gained a lot of people from the SoE community.
Originally posted by Ethanael Originally posted by Harafnir Do not know about dead, but they lost about 50% of their future costumers in one quick sweep. Mythic and Funcom are rubbing their hands in delight.
IMO, once the hype of the initial shock wears off, 90% of that 50% will be downloading the client to try Vanguard. Rest assured, nobody hates the breaking news, but people eventually just say screw it and come to a realization that 'SoE' is going to do good things for Vanguard.
Not to mention. I am fairly sure that with this news, they've gained a lot of people from the SoE community.
SOE community? you mean die hard sci fi fans of matrix and Star Wars who are held hostage by SOE cuz no one else is developing MMO's set in those universes?
Originally posted by infra172 SOE is a death sentence to any online game. Everybody remembers how they f***ed up Everquest, and produced the massively multiplayer abominations Star Wars Galaxies, Planetside, and Everquest II. Even if Vanguard is an awesome game, it has ZERO CHANCE of building a community now.
This forum is one of the onyl forums still talking about the SoE deal...god, the official forums talked about it for 1 day then it was done, and people got over it. I personally dont care, soe wont even touch the gameplay, you soe haters are just pathetic, you come here waste ur time posting this crap on a game ur not even interested in...and 50%? yea right....there is about 50 or less people on this board that wont try vanguard because of the SoE deal, and im pretty sure most of these people will still try it at the end. So why bother caring, just let the thread roll down the page and ignore it, those trolls will go away soon enough.
I have more faith in Sigil then ever. It's just so hilarious when people that have no clue how things work in the real world comes bashing down on Sigil just because they made hell of a smart move and secured VSoH. No one but Sigil can change the game, and guess what they want allot of people playing it so they will only make changes for the better if they need to make any. They knew how all the SoE haters would start screaming MAYDAY MAYDAY stay away from this game SoE will come and steal all your money and all the fun and kill your little cat named Tinker Bell....
Hmm these boards make me say/write pretty childish things but again mmorpg.com is full of childish people that wants more WoW clones.
Sigil is just outstanding when it comes to communication. I have never seen a dev them so devoted to the community. Brad is posting more then ever and answering allot of questions.
For me Vanguard is the last hope. But then again no one can predict the future only make guesses.
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This just in! Most players of video games do not know or care who published the game they are playing! Aside from seeing the SOE logo they will not give a shit! Most players play games for fun, not for politics.
Just because some people on some video game forums may care, most players don't even visit video game forums.
No matter what people say the people who arent posting on the forums should be factorerd in....... I have 5 friends who have nothing to do with any forums and they all said the exact same thing. No matter how good the game is there is no talking them into playing now-- one guy would rather play DOTA then pick up anything remotely close to being associated w/ an SOE product.
tis a dam shame, this was gonna be one that went down in the books, but now we will never be able to trust anything that comes from it because SOE is involved.
I love how people make up stats... 50% won't buy it now? hah! Thats a joke, where did that come from.
Secondly, if we're just talking "my friends"... well all of my gaming buds, 10+ folks mind you, WILL be trying it out now BECAUSE of it being under the SoE pass. They would not have touched it otherwise.
Smoke on that.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Sorry no logic allowed here. You have to base your game playing decisions on publisher alone, not entertainment.
Besides that, best bet is checkout Vanguard site official forums see if anything is in there (I havent really looked) Or look at the thread here somehwere about "Sorry to dissapoint you guys" it has links to some E3 views.
the funny thing is the SONY booth at e3 which was like totally empty lol ...
im not sure how the heck people are calling the SOE booth a success .. or why stratics said it was a great booth ... lol
down with SOE !!!!
oh and please, add Vanguard to station pass !! I'm having a blast with eq (that i haven,t touch in more then 3 years) and EQ II. Let,s not talk about SWG.
eqnext.wikia.com
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release, to SOE's Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOE's MMO titles for one low monthly price.
Brad McQuaid will still have control of the game not SOE, and another thing SOE was not the reason for the mass exit of SWG. NO, you can think George Lucas, cause George Lucas seen what kind of following SOE had and what kind of money that Everquest and Everquest 2 made. No, George Lucas wanted SWG to be like that and he wanted the game to be more in the line of his movies. THIS is what caused SWG to fall. SOE just followed what Lucas Arts told them to do.
Fearzum
Both idiots, end of story...
fixed it for ya
fixed it for ya
complete originality in every mmo.... yeah right, the game is nothing like eq/eq2 which have little in common anyway, your a troll a dumb one at that.
fixed it for ya
complete originality in every mmo.... yeah right, the game is nothing like eq/eq2 which have little in common anyway, your a troll a dumb one at that.
Vg is nothing like EQ?? What happened to "VG is EQ done right"?
Im troll? Well you sir are a rapid fanboi. Have fun with your copycat game
Hardcore gamers or Hardcore forum trolls read these forums and post but are a small percentage of the population in a MMORPG game. Even those on these boards and others are not above being a hypocrit when it comes to boredom and lack of MMORPGs to play.
Look at how the MMORPG gaming space is now. People who swore they would never play EQII are trying it because WOW was finished in a month and they're bored. Do they come back on these forums and say "I was a tool for saying I would never play a SOE product"? No they simply run out to Best Buy and grab a copy. If EQII get old then people who swore WOW was too childish and cartoony for their tastes walk into Walmart and bring home a copy in a unmarked bag.
I will say I still believe SOE is the "devil" of the gaming industry and that if they have their hands in development then I will definitely wait and watch a game and read reviews and opinions before purchase but they do not have their hands in development just admin and publicity stuff for Vanguard. If open beta is fun then I will buy the game. If Smed wants to pat himself on the back for finally stealing a GOOD game for his little stable then I won't lose sleep over it.
As someone else mentioned in this post, It would be really fun to watch and see if Warhammer or Conan got SOE to handle publishing or funding or something. Chances are any big MMORPGs over the next few years are going to be funded by Microsoft, SOE or EA or some big faceless corporation so bend over and get ready. Smed is probably buying your MMORPG dream team an expensive steak and playing footsy with them as you read this.
I was under the impression that the people who frequent these types of forums are their player-base. Given that your average joe is going to grab his copy of WoW and head out the door.
Alienating a good portion of them before the game even comes out, can't be good... I wouldn't think. But, hey -- I've been wrong before.
fixed it for ya
complete originality in every mmo.... yeah right, the game is nothing like eq/eq2 which have little in common anyway, your a troll a dumb one at that.
You're right about it being nothing like eq but i found it very similar to eq2.
IMO, once the hype of the initial shock wears off, 90% of
that 50% will be downloading the client to try Vanguard. Rest assured,
nobody hates the breaking news, but people eventually just say screw it and
come to a realization that 'SoE' is going to do good things for Vanguard.
Not to mention. I am fairly sure that with this news, they've gained a
lot of people from the SoE community.
http://twitter.com/xmcgraw
IMO, once the hype of the initial shock wears off, 90% of that 50% will be downloading the client to try Vanguard. Rest assured, nobody hates the breaking news, but people eventually just say screw it and come to a realization that 'SoE' is going to do good things for Vanguard.
Not to mention. I am fairly sure that with this news, they've gained a lot of people from the SoE community.
SOE community? you mean die hard sci fi fans of matrix and Star Wars who are held hostage by SOE cuz no one else is developing MMO's set in those universes?
I have more faith in Sigil then ever. It's just so hilarious when people that have no clue how things work in the real world comes bashing down on Sigil just because they made hell of a smart move and secured VSoH. No one but Sigil can change the game, and guess what they want allot of people playing it so they will only make changes for the better if they need to make any. They knew how all the SoE haters would start screaming MAYDAY MAYDAY stay away from this game SoE will come and steal all your money and all the fun and kill your little cat named Tinker Bell....
Hmm these boards make me say/write pretty childish things but again mmorpg.com is full of childish people that wants more WoW clones.
Sigil is just outstanding when it comes to communication. I have never seen a dev them so devoted to the community. Brad is posting more then ever and answering allot of questions.
For me Vanguard is the last hope. But then again no one can predict the future only make guesses.