This is interesting, I hope I remember to see how this turns out.
Well, really it's nothing we wouldn't have done anyway.
It's really hard to judge any game based on ideas and concept art. Some ideas might not work - and some things might develop that work well.
A really good example is Pirates of the Burning Sea (another PvP game) - the orignial concept was nothing like the final game. The whole Travel Map & instanced play was not the idea but way back (about two - three years prior to release) the Dev team changed to the current format to solve a number of problems. As it turned out that was a mistake and created new problems of its own.
I'm not sure mindless gloating is the way to rid yourself of "haters", in fact attitudes like you are showing probably account for why CU attracted them in the first place.
As mentioned before, I dont think that time is the issue. 2.5 years for development of a primarily PvP game really isnt the issue.
The issue is more whether or not he can excute a multi-server, non-mix faction PvP sandbox. Especially when it comes to the economy.
Ultimately, the proof will be in the pudding but I dont think tacking 2 years will matter and MJ knows this.
What he knows and any honest backer knows is that this KS was based on this premise:
Either MJ has the ability to implement his vision or he doesnt.
2.5 years is enough to get that.
As said I really hope CU will proof me wrong and that most of these early promises do get made into the game, but for now I doubt it. that's just me.....
maybe this is just me but i don't see MJ as making many promises. He's laid out a vision for a game that attempts to not throw the baby out with the bath water.
part of what he's doing is attempting to undo the last 8+ years of PvE wonderland or bust design philosphy by emphasizing player interaction through RvR, Buidling and Economy.
However what he's doing will be tough because only EvE has been successful in creating multiple mini games that let crafters/miners get full experiences without having too kill people.
MJ is smart but he's not omnisecent. however what you "youngsters" haven't figured out yet is that MJ does not having left ot prove. Like many successful people, MJ likely no longer has the same pride issues he once had in his youth (which were fairly legendary if scuttlebutt was to be believed).
What this means for CU is two fold, 1) he no longer has to hold on to his ideas just because they were his ideas 2) he doesnt have too pander too the mob to achieve personal validation.
I think it would almost be a good thing if PayPal donations aren't enough to reach The Depths goal. There's a lot of work that needs to be done on the core game first. Get that all done and the game released. Then they could start working on The Depths after launch and have it be the first major content patch a few months later. That was pretty much what happened in DAOC for that matter with DF.
Originally posted by meddyck I think it would almost be a good thing if PayPal donations aren't enough to reach The Depths goal. There's a lot of work that needs to be done on the core game first. Get that all done and the game released. Then they could start working on The Depths after launch and have it be the first major content patch a few months later. That was pretty much what happened in DAOC for that matter with DF.
While I still hope CSE takes in a sizable haul through PayPal and meets this goal and beyond, I agree completely. The Depths is best suited as a first no-cost DLC once the core RvR and the crafting/building systems are stabilized.
Originally posted by meddyck I think it would almost be a good thing if PayPal donations aren't enough to reach The Depths goal. There's a lot of work that needs to be done on the core game first. Get that all done and the game released. Then they could start working on The Depths after launch and have it be the first major content patch a few months later. That was pretty much what happened in DAOC for that matter with DF.
While I still hope CSE takes in a sizable haul through PayPal and meets this goal and beyond, I agree completely. The Depths is best suited as a first no-cost DLC once the core RvR and the crafting/building systems are stabilized.
Agreed. What a cool thing to look forward to while we learn the basic RvR and Crafting of the game. We'll all be "leveled" up and stuff, too.
Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
I'd be very curious as to "how" you brought this up on the forums. I've yet to see a person who complains that they had posts deleted and were banned who didn't deserve it.
"But I was just being honest ... ". omg.
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Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
From your post on the CU forums (which is still there btw) they gave you a refund because you asked for one and as a result you won't have forum access anymore.
Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
I'd be very curious as to "how" you brought this up on the forums. I've yet to see a person who complains that they had posts deleted and were banned who didn't deserve it.
"But I was just being honest ... ". omg.
The closest thing to a cuss word I used was "f'ing" I even asked for a copy of forum to screen shot to show, even went on to another account to screen shot the post and it was gone.
I'm the game night lead and robot technician for my company togeather we bought 23 kick starter pack worth over 100 each. I wouldn't cuss them out I loved the first game and pushed for this over crowfall for our next mmo. But if calling them on making a bad call gets you black listed then something is seriously wrong. Accountability should never be a bad thing.
Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
From your post on the CU forums (which is still there btw) they gave you a refund because you asked for one and as a result you won't have forum access anymore.
Wasn't there when I looked last night. I'll go recheck, and I have gotten no email or otherwise info about a refund.
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Do not invest in this game. Yesterday they sent out an email saying a beta test was going to start in two hours and will only be two hours. This is only the third beta1 test I have had an email about. What grinds my gears is they know people who can afford to buy the beta kickstarter of this game would be working during this time.
Then after I bring this up in fourms what do they do? Block me from forums and delete my post. If how they treat their investors is any indication of how this game will come out we all should be getting our money back.
Has anyone felt like they are worth the more and more money they keep asking for with no respect givin to those that helped them?
I'd be very curious as to "how" you brought this up on the forums. I've yet to see a person who complains that they had posts deleted and were banned who didn't deserve it.
"But I was just being honest ... ". omg.
The closest thing to a cuss word I used was "f'ing" I even asked for a copy of forum to screen shot to show, even went on to another account to screen shot the post and it was gone.
I'm the game night lead and robot technician for my company togeather we bought 23 kick starter pack worth over 100 each. I wouldn't cuss them out I loved the first game and pushed for this over crowfall for our next mmo. But if calling them on making a bad call gets you black listed then something is seriously wrong. Accountability should never be a bad thing.
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Well, really it's nothing we wouldn't have done anyway.
It's really hard to judge any game based on ideas and concept art. Some ideas might not work - and some things might develop that work well.
A really good example is Pirates of the Burning Sea (another PvP game) - the orignial concept was nothing like the final game. The whole Travel Map & instanced play was not the idea but way back (about two - three years prior to release) the Dev team changed to the current format to solve a number of problems. As it turned out that was a mistake and created new problems of its own.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
what i will note is that every active forum has issues with repeated thread spam when news breaks.
"haters" aren't really unique to these boards or the MMO industry but its the way the MMO genre works to over promise and often under deliver
As said I really hope CU will proof me wrong and that most of these early promises do get made into the game, but for now I doubt it. that's just me.....
part of what he's doing is attempting to undo the last 8+ years of PvE wonderland or bust design philosphy by emphasizing player interaction through RvR, Buidling and Economy.
However what he's doing will be tough because only EvE has been successful in creating multiple mini games that let crafters/miners get full experiences without having too kill people.
MJ is smart but he's not omnisecent. however what you "youngsters" haven't figured out yet is that MJ does not having left ot prove. Like many successful people, MJ likely no longer has the same pride issues he once had in his youth (which were fairly legendary if scuttlebutt was to be believed).
What this means for CU is two fold, 1) he no longer has to hold on to his ideas just because they were his ideas 2) he doesnt have too pander too the mob to achieve personal validation.
Paypal is working as far as I can tell.
MJ said that something was "Wrong with it" before he left the other day though. Not sure what - money is still coming in.
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While I still hope CSE takes in a sizable haul through PayPal and meets this goal and beyond, I agree completely. The Depths is best suited as a first no-cost DLC once the core RvR and the crafting/building systems are stabilized.
Agreed. What a cool thing to look forward to while we learn the basic RvR and Crafting of the game. We'll all be "leveled" up and stuff, too.
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when will it be ready?
"But I was just being honest ... ". omg.
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I'm the game night lead and robot technician for my company togeather we bought 23 kick starter pack worth over 100 each. I wouldn't cuss them out I loved the first game and pushed for this over crowfall for our next mmo. But if calling them on making a bad call gets you black listed then something is seriously wrong. Accountability should never be a bad thing.
I see above you already received a refund, which would explain your removal from the backer forums.
BTW, if you are the game “night” lead/tech for your company why could you not attend a US daytime test? (If in EU, remember, sleep is for the weak)
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