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NeptusNeptus Member UncommonPosts: 988
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At the moment, the computer I'm playing on is very very outdated.
A Gateway bought around 2001, a good 256 megs of ram/ with a 64 intel graphics controller.

I'm looking for something....way better for gaming, right now I lag in World of Warcraft crazy, expecially in IronForge.

Is there any other place besides cyberpowerpc I can look for a great deal on? CyberPowerPc Is where a lot of people have directed me to, but.....there are always others.

Oh, and what should my new rig consist of? Ex, amount of Ram and Graphics card mainly.
I hear Nvidia is better, then I hear Radeon is way better....Agh, just the fever of the flavor maybe?

Blah, Blah, Blah, and thanks.....maybe.

Neptus - FFXI - Pandemonium
Neptus - WoW - Detheroc

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  • ke5auxke5aux Member Posts: 158
    cyberpowerpc is a very good one

    lets see we also have

    ABS
    Alienware (bastards sold out to Dell)
    Sager Notebooks
    ....

    mind blank right now but look at those


  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928

    Originally posted by Neptus

    At the moment, the computer I'm playing on is very very outdated.
    A Gateway bought around 2001, a good 256 megs of ram/ with a 64 intel graphics controller.
    I'm looking for something....way better for gaming, right now I lag in World of Warcraft crazy, expecially in IronForge.
    Is there any other place besides cyberpowerpc I can look for a great deal on? CyberPowerPc Is where a lot of people have directed me to, but.....there are always others.
    Oh, and what should my new rig consist of? Ex, amount of Ram and Graphics card mainly.
    I hear Nvidia is better, then I hear Radeon is way better....Agh, just the fever of the flavor maybe?
    Blah, Blah, Blah, and thanks.....maybe.
    Im gonna base my recomendations on you looking to spend around $750-$1000.

    You should probably get no less than 1 gig of RAM, Good budget stick

    Intel just recently lowered the prices of all their processors, this baby is one hell of bang for the buck AMD's are better for gaming, but this processor isnt anywhere near trash, espically for the price, the cheapest AMD dual core is $295.

    Good budget mobo here . 4 RAM slots incase you wanna run dual channel or just plain upgrade.

    I stick with Nvidia personally, this card here is probably the best card on the market right now when considering bang for buck.

    Ill leave the case and PS up to you.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • ifartedifarted Member Posts: 4

    How much are you looking to spend?

    I've always built my own rigs, but I really can't recommend  that you do the same, unless you have experience or like throwing money away, heh.

  • ZepeeZepee Member Posts: 947
    Hey spathotan, tell me something.

    What is better, that Pentium D 850 or a Pentium 4 630? And which is the best in a price/performance way?

    Anyway, whats the difference between single core and dual core processors?


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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646

    I would say the Pentium D 850. Since it's a dual core processor. Dual core is basicly 2 single core processors stuck on top of each other. I'm not sure if it has HT (Hyper threading) if it has, you computer would be boosting 2 physical processors + 2 virtual processors, making it (almost) 4 processors. That is much more performance than a singlecore processor. Dual core processors are the future, and Windows Vista etc will take heavily use of it.


  • TechleoTechleo Member Posts: 1,984
    Alienware was absorbed by Dell. It is under its own supervision tho. Umm as for parts, get your own parts and make your own computer, id recommend going to Newegg.com or tigerdirect.com

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I would say the Pentium D 850. Since it's a dual core processor. Dual core is basicly 2 single core processors stuck on top of each other. I'm not sure if it has HT (Hyper threading) if it has, you computer would be boosting 2 physical processors + 2 virtual processors, making it (almost) 4 processors. That is much more performance than a singlecore processor. Dual core processors are the future, and Windows Vista etc will take heavily use of it.



    Dual Cores dont support HT, not any of the ones ive seen anyways. Dual core processors are by FAR better than regular single cores when it comes to multi-tasking and basically general PC-apps. I cant personally comment on how much better they perform than a single core equvilent (aka both are say 3ghz) since ive only had experience with dual cores on XP Media Center, single core processor ran it with about 30% cpu usage, after upgraded to dual core the highest ive ever seen it is 5%.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928

    Originally posted by Zepee
    Hey spathotan, tell me something.

    What is better, that Pentium D 850 or a Pentium 4 630? And which is the best in a price/performance way?

    Anyway, whats the difference between single core and dual core processors?



    Hmm im not really sure. The D will have much MUCH better performance when multi-tasking than the 4, that is fact, but read my post above this, I dont have any experience with dual cores in gaming so I cant comment on that part unfortunately. The 4 has a higher FSB, higher clock speed, and has HT. The D has higher L1 and L2 Cache (dont really know wtf that means), is a few bucks cheaper, and well is dual core, 2 cores are better than one generally.

    A Single Core processor is just that, 1 single processor with 1 core. A Dual Core processor is still just 1 processor, but it has 2 processing cores in it, so basically two processors in one. Instead of all the straight being on one core with the single's, with the dual core processors all t he work is divided between 2, meaning less stress on each and overall better performance. Quad Cores are on the way real soon, those will be ever greater.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646

    Originally posted by Spathotan

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I would say the Pentium D 850. Since it's a dual core processor. Dual core is basicly 2 single core processors stuck on top of each other. I'm not sure if it has HT (Hyper threading) if it has, you computer would be boosting 2 physical processors + 2 virtual processors, making it (almost) 4 processors. That is much more performance than a singlecore processor. Dual core processors are the future, and Windows Vista etc will take heavily use of it.



    Dual Cores dont support HT, not any of the ones ive seen anyways. Dual core processors are by FAR better than regular single cores when it comes to multi-tasking and basically general PC-apps. I cant personally comment on how much better they perform than a single core equvilent (aka both are say 3ghz) since ive only had experience with dual cores on XP Media Center, single core processor ran it with about 30% cpu usage, after upgraded to dual core the highest ive ever seen it is 5%.

    You sure? I mean I have seen stuff rendered in 3d studio max on a Pentium, and the applications says it's redering on 4 processors. And quad core doesn't exist yet.

    Edit:
    Found it. http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentiumXE/prodbrief.pdf
  • ValiumSummerValiumSummer Member Posts: 1,008
    I'd recommend ABS @ www.abspc.com They really do a good job at keeping the price low on thier rigs. 
  • CowinspaceCowinspace Member Posts: 671

    Originally posted by Spathotan
     The D has higher L1 and L2 Cache (dont really know wtf that means),


    cache is on chip memory so more is generally better (but also way more expensive). Basically IIRC it stores/queues data requests and responses.

    Higher Cache was what allowed AMD athons to carry the XP xxxx+ tags. Although they clocked slower they could still process things at this equivalent speed (the was equivalent to the ordinary Athlon). It was also one of the reasons that allowed AMD chips to compete with Intel, the AMD chip made fewer errors, so spent less time re-doing things.

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  • FilipinoFuryFilipinoFury Member Posts: 1,056
    All I can say is buy an Opteron for 939pin. A socket 939 146 for a mere 240$ will go a very long way and is 64bit. A Opteron 148 is a beast when it comes to overclocking, no I mean crazy speeds with only a stock fan like 2.4 or 2.6. And with a Thermaltake Typhoon I assure you at the least 2.6ghz and still not reach max v core.Very possible to reach 3.0ghz. Or you can always go with a dual-core opty which is exspensive since it is a server CPU. If you buy an Opty I reccomend getting some good OC'able ram (G.Skill) or else it will hold back your CPU. For a GPU I would go with a 7600GT or X1600XT both good midrange cheap cards.I havent seen any benchmarks to prove it but a single core opty could possibly eaisly out perform a dual-core Intel but dont take my word for it. I have switched from a 3500 to a 148 and I was certainly not dissapointed, I have at 2.8ghz and at 39c AND at stock voltage (1.4volts about). 

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  • rawthormrawthorm Member Posts: 1

    Originally posted by Spathotan

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    I would say the Pentium D 850. Since it's a dual core processor. Dual core is basicly 2 single core processors stuck on top of each other. I'm not sure if it has HT (Hyper threading) if it has, you computer would be boosting 2 physical processors + 2 virtual processors, making it (almost) 4 processors. That is much more performance than a singlecore processor. Dual core processors are the future, and Windows Vista etc will take heavily use of it.



    Dual Cores dont support HT, not any of the ones ive seen anyways. Dual core processors are by FAR better than regular single cores when it comes to multi-tasking and basically general PC-apps. I cant personally comment on how much better they perform than a single core equvilent (aka both are say 3ghz) since ive only had experience with dual cores on XP Media Center, single core processor ran it with about 30% cpu usage, after upgraded to dual core the highest ive ever seen it is 5%.



    Im sure it depends on how high a model CPU you get as i swear Intel have talked about this in one of their tech briefs.
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    www.alienware.com

    or simply buy any Dual Core CPU with any manufacturer with 2 Gigs of ram and you're good to go.

  • Apoc171Apoc171 Member Posts: 3

    1 gb ram or more not over 2gb waste of money. intel has a few powerful processors and amd too but with amd i wud recommend dualcore. pentium 4 3ghz(maybe dualcore) and amd 4200 (and higher) 64 x2 is good.

    btw Nvidia 6800 or better, anything under sux tbh. ati radeon have gd cards aswell, but the ones tht r good r overpriced.

    theese r the most important  specs... im would say around lol dnt know. products r probably cheaper where u live, cuz im in norway - most expensive country in the world.  its over 1000$ for sure. but if u buy anything lower ur comp will get owned by newer games. but look around for special offers on dell and any other companies. special offers own!

  • gajudge311gajudge311 Member Posts: 2


    Your best bet it to build your own. Newegg.com or Zipzoomfly.com
    Both have wonderful prices.
    AMD > Intel when it goes to games..
    The only time you will see a gain with dual core CPUs is when you are multitasking..
    I have tested two systems both with same spec, one with 3800+ X2 one with regular 3800+
    no difference while running a single application
    but newer games coming will utilize that dual core feature.
    Nvidia vs Ati ... lol
    both wonderful cards manufactures
    tomshardware.com or anandtech.com
    look at those Sites for benchmarks and make your decesion from there.
    I would say nvidia 7800GT or 7900GT as it stands now.
    Ati's x1800 and x1900 are amazing as well.
    its a win win either way.

    I have AMD 64 3800+, 2gig Ram, 6800GT.
    WoW runs locked at 60 FPS always at 1280 x 1024 with all the goodies on.
    Good luck.

    hardocp.com reviewed at 7600gt vs x1800 gto .. take a look
    http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAzOCw4LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==





  • RavenbowRavenbow Member Posts: 43

    http://www.newegg.com

    You can build a great system cheap.  Less than a month ago I got an AMD 3700+, 2gigs of ram, an SLI motherboard, and two geforce7600GS video cards slapped into SLI mode.  Tad over $580 with shipping

    edit (I had the ram already)

    Why would you even think about an Intel for gaming?  /boggle

    Want more than I got?  No prob.  I spec'd out a very high-end dream PC for my next bonus check and all total was $1400.  Went to falcon and alienware and built the exact systems sans "overly pretty case", and I couldn't touch a high end dual core SLI'd 512mbx2 with 8 gigs of ram for less than $5k

    Newegg is the way to go.

    a real quik system just grabbing decent items without any research

    $77 SLI MotherBoard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138253

    $237 3700+ Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103622

    $152 2 gigs of good ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231047

    $115 geforce 7600GS pcix16 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127211

    $571 for the core of the system  $700 with two cards

    Slap it in a case of your choice, use your current OS, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc and you have a fantastic gaming machine.  Note- these are just base ideas to give you an idea.

    Hope it helps

  • XxJessomexXXxJessomexX Member Posts: 29
    No doubt an AILENWEAR COMPUTER(dont mined spelling!) Its %^$$%$ good!
  • XxJessomexXXxJessomexX Member Posts: 29
    I got this store that you can get 2 gigs of ram 140 can
  • NeptusNeptus Member UncommonPosts: 988

    Thanks everybody for the help.
    Extra thanks to Spathotan for helping me find some discounts.
    I told a friend what I wanted and he put together this really cool computer for me with the items I bought from Spathotan's links.

    I owe you guys one.

    Neptus - FFXI - Pandemonium
    Neptus - WoW - Detheroc

  • wjrasmussenwjrasmussen Member Posts: 1,493

     check this out

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928

    Originally posted by Neptus

    Thanks everybody for the help.
    Extra thanks to Spathotan for helping me find some discounts.
    I told a friend what I wanted and he put together this really cool computer for me with the items I bought from Spathotan's links.
    I owe you guys one.
    No problem man glad I could help some, didnt really know how much you wanted to spend so I dug up some of the lower cost things that can still perform. My view is there is no reason to spend $500 on a video card when 99.9% of the games on the market cant take advantage of it, same theory I apply to RAM, 1 gig is just enough, 2 gigs is sorta overkill.

    I spent ummm around $400 for my system. AMD 64 3200+ , 1 gig of ram, Nvidia 6600GT, ASUS K8V-MX mobo, 160 GIG 3gb/s SATA HD, and a NZXT Nemesis Case. Its AGP and 757 socket, so that means my upgrade options are very limited and im sorta stuck with ATI for video cards since Nvidia goes from the $120 6800 then jumps to the $300 7800GS for AGP. I can run WoW at max everything with everything turned on with constant 60fps, 45 in IF. I can run Oblivion at a little lower than mid settings, but fps is still shitty.

    Btw can you tell what all you got? Or did you get everything I linked?

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928

    Originally posted by wjrasmussen

     check this out
    Yep thats the processor I linked in my OP I didnt mention anything about OCing though so it wouldnt give him false hopes or overhype him.

    "There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
    — Boba Fett

  • NeptusNeptus Member UncommonPosts: 988

    I gave my friend the list of what to buy, I chose everything you told me to get. Because, I don't really know mother boards and graphics cards.

    Neptus - FFXI - Pandemonium
    Neptus - WoW - Detheroc

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