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EverQuest Next is Like My Ex-Girlfriend, Message from BazgrimTV
Nanfoodle
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"EverQuest Next broke my heart. And I know for a fact that there are many other people out there that had a similar experience. If you’ve been paying attention to the slow and painful deterioration of the MMORPG genre over the past several years, you’ve probably seen some people things like they’ll "never be able to trust another unreleased MMO" because they’ve “been burned too many times.” And I totally get where they’re coming from, but I also think that approach of #cynicism is a real threat to the games we actually want to play. So then how, at the same time, am I still willing to risk my time and money on crowdfunded games like Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen? You could say that I treat EQNext the same way I treat my ex-girlfriend. Let me explain..."
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Landmark, and yeah it was boring.
The problem with this analogy, however, is that my ex-girlfriend hasn't locked up all the other girls that are in any way like her. Which is what Daybreak is doing by sitting on the EQ franchise and wasting it.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
It was the promise of next gen mob AI with objectives for them and roaming rather than static spawns and leashes, NPCs with active lives and different relationships with each player (and what quests were available from them because of that,) long term community goals similar to what Ashes of Creation is now doing with nodes, that I was excited about.
Voxel schmoxel
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Still... it's what MMORPGs need to do if they want to move the genre forward. Otherwise it's just some variation of you (and all 10 million others) are the chosen hero who wil save the world and BTW, go kill 10 rats.
It's the node system in Ashes that interests me about that game. It's the only reason I sort of follow its development.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I think your argument works well in the case of relationships but maybe not so much with crowdfunding. I mean I can see your point for the analogy in this one case as it applies to you but I'm not really convinced that it applies to people or even crowdfunding in general.
IMO crowdfunded games have not really panned out well for gamers to date. There have been a few but there have been many more that have failed or released in a way that was different than advertised or been a scam or in the case of games like SC have at best become highly divisive or at worst set terrible precedents for future crowdfunded games.
If you get a new girlfriend there is an assumption that your starting point is from a positive or at least neutral place. I don't feel that is the case anymore with crowdfunded games. They have shown gamers that they need to be viewed with extreme skepticism. Some might call that cynicism.
The equivalent would be if every new relationship was starting with a girlfriend that just got out of prison, had a drug problem and was very likely to steal your money and disappear in the night without a word. It would be hard not to be cynical about relationships if that was your starting point.
As a side note about EQ Next...I never had my heart broken over that project. As a hardcore EQ fan I was excited about the possibility of a new iteration in the EQ franchise. However, even when it was announced there were already glaring red flags (IMO) that kept me from being excited and also from investing in Landmark.
First was the art style. This might be debatable as I know some may have liked it. I didn't dislike it per se (on it's own merits) but it was such a drastic departure from everything that EQ was it just felt wrong. It's hard for me to put into words but it didn't look like EQ to me at all and I couldn't help but feel they were blatantly and maybe even desperately trying to appeal to WoW players. Not a positive feeling and not getting off to a good start IMO.
Secondly, and more importantly the huge red flag (at least for me) was Dave Georgeson. Sorry to anyone that likes him but this guy sucks ass. I literally quit EQ2 and never went back because of this guy and what he did to the game. Everywhere he goes he brings his F2P garbage with him. He took the lead on EQ2 and it turned into everything that I hate in modern MMOs so the fact that he was heading up EQ Next was an immediate HELL NO from me.
That is what I want to say to Daybreak about the Everquest franchise. There needs to be an EQ3. Stop dawdling.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
For a long time,i was simply a buyer,looked forward to each and every game,i didn't know enough about what is going on to fully understand what i was looking at.
I would say my knowledge level jumped big time when i took it upon my self to learn game engines and the various software used to help make the games.So now when i look at any game,i know what they are doing and how much effort or lack of went into it.
I saw games like FFXIV,EQNext,COE well before release or proposed release for what they really were.So yes i became very disappointed because the hype was lost for me,i knew i wouldn't be playing these games.
Bottom line is that the industry is cutting a LOT of corners and is NOT delivering a very good effort.Sure there is some hit n miss in all games but the overall effort is actually sub par.WHY that is likely has a lot to do with these studios are jumping in quick to make a buck and NOT because they want to deliver a great game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I saw the painting on the wall when Smedley first decided to what he called "TEST"the cash shop idea.He was looking for an EASY WAY OUT,a cop out ,how to make more money with less effort,a way to grind more money from those he already had hooked in.
Then over time i saw other changes that again pointed to LAZY,less effort,like the stat changes.What i saw already idk what is was ,like 3-4 years BEFORE EQNext hype told me that Smedley/Soe were not capable of delivering the game we all thought or hoped it would be.
Oh and i was also playing SOE's TCG as well following that kids game Smedley was BRAGGING about with it's early numbers that folded up shop only one year after bragging.I saw a VERY clear and concise picture of where SOE was headed.
Then i followed the"story bricks"idea and again because of my many years of knowing how the games are built i had a very good idea what this story bricks was all about before i looked deeper.Soon again it was clear it was nothing more than a "gimmick"term to incite interest.Oh and i was also playing H1Z1 another cheap half assed cash grab.
So my long winded point is that i had already seen plenty to understand EqNext was NOT going to be a AAA game,so i lost interest.Sure if you just blindly fall in love with the idea of a game just because you had great memories from the past like EQ1,then yeah you might be fooled or let down.However if you actually follow what is going on ,you will EASILY see the bigger picture and understand the WHY behind "pessimism".
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
As some examples I give you RDR2. I was waiting for it to release on PC and even though Rockstar generally has a good reputation I waited. Glad I did because it was a mess. I didn't end up buying that until almost a year after release.
I had the reverse experience with Borderlands 3. I made the false assumption that I could trust Gearbox based on the previous games. I pre-ordered the "Deluxe" 100 dollar version (included the season pass) and I still regret it. The game was a mess. It performed poorly. It had lots of bugs (much worse for console). It was poorly balanced and the "end game" difficulty was also a mess. The game went through numerous major changes and nerfs and it was just not a pleasant experience despite the game play and visuals being great. I saw the same Deluxe version of the game 3 months later on steep discount. I wish I had waited for that instead. Not because I need the money but because I'm tired of giving these people money for shoddy work.
As a final and most painful example I'm sure everyone is well aware of CP2077. If there is any game studio that you could blindly trust to release a solid product it would be CDPR. However, based on my recent experiences over the years I decided not to pre-order or even buy at release despite the temptation. I'm glad I didn't because..wow what a mess. I think CP2077 was the final nail in the coffin of confidence that games have much of a chance to release in a good state. I still haven't purchased CP2077 and don't expect it will be worth buying for months. Will likely get it down the road for steep discount.
And back to the OP topic of crowdfunding I leave you with Wolcen. Another game I was very interested in and still haven't purchased because the release was so bad and it's still not really fixed by most accounts. I honestly don't even see myself ever getting that game as it seems they are incapable of making it right.
Games are at an all time low IMO. Hard to not be a huge pessimist about anything on the horizon.
When you see a hype that's far fetched or "sounds good on paper", you can blame MANAGMENT (see topic, management sucks).
Millions were probably spent before developers, then developers were given crazy permeators to work with like a destructible world.
20 million was spent just by building an office space and management structure.
The game didn't fail...... It was a bad idea to begin with.
The game didn't fail.... Management got their 20 million, that was the goal.
All of you people have bad judgment because you THINK it's being built for you !
I always wondered if EQNext ever even existed and was just floated out there to get people to buy Landmark. It just struck me as another ploy by SOE to get money.
The same people that sent Visionary realms $1,000 and paid tones of money playing BDO...... disappointment and empty pockets.
You all know what the smart bull would say to to the young bull "lets walk down there instead of run".
Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different result's.
Albert Einstein
"A fool and his money are soon parted." Thomas Tusser