The Lord of the Rings Online's War of Three Peaks Expansion Versions Finally Revealed, Releases Toda

System · October 2020

The Lord of the Rings Online's War of Three Peaks Expansion Versions Finally Revealed, Releases Today | MMORPG.com

The controversial mini-expansion for The Lord of the Rings Online, War of Three Peaks, has finally been detailed by Standing Stone Games. On the expansions page, you can see what separates the different varied costs of War of Three Peaks, as well as check out a new trailer for the content update, which goes live today.

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Allwynd_01 · October 2020

More lackluster overpriced content for an overpriced, broken game on an outdated engine and awful servers. I feel like it's almost on life support and may soon shut down.

Viper482 · October 2020

Allwynd_01 said:

More lackluster overpriced content for an overpriced, broken game on an outdated engine and awful servers. I feel like it's almost on life support and may soon shut down.

Don't act as if you are a player, you obviously are not.

sfo77 · October 2020

standing stone games....bunch of scammers

ircaddicts · October 2020

Allwynd_01 said:

More lackluster overpriced content for an overpriced, broken game on an outdated engine and awful servers. I feel like it's almost on life support and may soon shut down.

there you go confusing wow and LOTRO again. Now while I agree its overpriced Lotro is going nowhere any time soon

RandomCasualty · October 2020

I actually don't mind the enviroment high-texture graphics, just can't get past the wet noodle combat on a pretty outdated UI
Game needs a major overhaul to bring me back

JeroKane · October 2020

Viper482 said:

Allwynd_01 said:

More lackluster overpriced content for an overpriced, broken game on an outdated engine and awful servers. I feel like it's almost on life support and may soon shut down.

Don't act as if you are a player, you obviously are not.

I am (or was since I don't support these scammers anymore) and he is right.

It's pretty obvious they are desperate for cash, rushing an overpriced mini expansion out of the door as quickly as possible.

There are so many issues with this game right now, which they are unable (or unwilling) to fix due to lack of resources.
Same with server stability issues that has been going on for years now. /facepalm

LOTRO was always one of my favorite MMO's I kept going back to, since I am a Tolkien fan, but I just can't support these people anymore. Mismanaging the game.

lahnmir · October 2020

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Scot · October 2020

While it is difficult for me to judge how good an expansion this is, I am not sure why it is controversial? The only thing which is P2W is the virtue xp scrolls, which really should not be there. Everything else is "cosmetic."

Ungood · October 2020

Yah.. How is $20 bucks this huge issue for people?

chiefarchon · October 2020

It looks the same as everything else, What! did they just use old scenery and models from other parts of the game ?

Allwynd_01 · October 2020

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

The amount of content for this small sized DLC that they call expansion should not cost more than $8 at best. Not that I'm stingy or broke, but I'd like to get more content for $20, because what they're releasing is so little content-wise that they might as well release it for free and nobody will even notice it.

I'd give them $40, or $60, but for real content and proof that they are working on improving all aspects of the game. They could start by deploying European servers in the continent of Europe so they can reduce the lag of EU players and show that they care about them. They can also improve their launcher and how it downloads things, also modify their outdated engine to at least be more stable on modern OSes that their players use.

Since they are completely ignoring the problems that their game has, they don't deserve my money, I guess they will probably get by just fine without my financial contribution, but I won't pay for a game that's in such a sorry state.

I love Lord of the Rings and would love to play a LOTR MMORPG, but not one such as this where F2P trash Asian MMOs provide better quality. I guess I will have to wait for Amazon's LOTR MMO and see if it's going to be a failure or something less of a failure that might actually survive and enjoy some success.

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Scot said:

While it is difficult for me to judge how good an expansion this is, I am not sure why it is controversial? The only thing which is P2W is the virtue xp scrolls, which really should not be there. Everything else is "cosmetic."

They also have sold loot boxes with BiS gear basically on their release. You also seem to be ignoring the shortcuts to months long legendary item leveling.

JeroKane · October 2020

chiefarchon said:

It looks the same as everything else, What! did they just use old scenery and models from other parts of the game ?

They have been doing that for a long time now. They don't have any money to hire real artists to create new assets for the game and just trying to scrape by as long as they can.

All this trailer showed, was a lot of reused assets from previous expansions like Mines of Moria and ghost mobs who they give a red color (WTF? seriously? That looked so out of place and fake! ).

Iselin · October 2020

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

In the same universe that has relative values and customary values. A stick of gum for $20 would be overpriced just like taking something that has customarily been included in a sub, carving it out and calling it a "mini-expansion" is.

Scot · October 2020

FrodoFragins said:

Scot said:

While it is difficult for me to judge how good an expansion this is, I am not sure why it is controversial? The only thing which is P2W is the virtue xp scrolls, which really should not be there. Everything else is "cosmetic."

They also have sold loot boxes with BiS gear basically on their release. You also seem to be ignoring the shortcuts to months long legendary item leveling.

Ok so there is more to this than I thought, but I think short cuts to legendary items were available within a year of LI being introduced?

lahnmir · October 2020

Iselin said:

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

In the same universe that has relative values and customary values. A stick of gum for $20 would be overpriced just like taking something that has customarily been included in a sub, carving it out and calling it a "mini-expansion" is.

I think the scalable quests alone add more value then anything included in the sub ever did and breaks the levelling game wide open for everybody and not just max level players. And all that for 5 bucks less than your average WoW mount, talking about relative values

Edit. You can also wait a few months and buy it in the cash shop with the points you gained from playing and being subscribed, making it essentially free for the patient among us.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Ungood · October 2020

Allwynd_01 said:

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

The amount of content for this small sized DLC that they call expansion should not cost more than $8 at best. Not that I'm stingy or broke, but I'd like to get more content for $20, because what they're releasing is so little content-wise that they might as well release it for free and nobody will even notice it.

I have seen far less content sold for more in other games.

Hell, in some games I have seen a skin sell for 20 bucks in their store, just a cosmetic skin, alone, for 20 dollars.

So again.. I have no idea what the hang up is.

If you just have a bug up your ass about this company, that is another story, but that in no way affects that 20 for an expansion, is a fair price.

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Scot said:

FrodoFragins said:

Scot said:

While it is difficult for me to judge how good an expansion this is, I am not sure why it is controversial? The only thing which is P2W is the virtue xp scrolls, which really should not be there. Everything else is "cosmetic."

They also have sold loot boxes with BiS gear basically on their release. You also seem to be ignoring the shortcuts to months long legendary item leveling.

Ok so there is more to this than I thought, but I think short cuts to legendary items were available within a year of LI being introduced?

That I don't know. I just know that during Mordor, and after, I was expected to trek back to Gondor to do the dailies. And for some reason they keep delaying an improvement to the in game system, probably because they rely on selling those scrolls. I chose to quit rather than do the grind in old content.

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Ungood said:

Allwynd_01 said:

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

The amount of content for this small sized DLC that they call expansion should not cost more than $8 at best. Not that I'm stingy or broke, but I'd like to get more content for $20, because what they're releasing is so little content-wise that they might as well release it for free and nobody will even notice it.

I have seen far less content sold for more in other games.

Hell, in some games I have seen a skin sell for 20 bucks in their store, just a cosmetic skin, alone, for 20 dollars.

So again.. I have no idea what the hang up is.

If you just have a bug up your ass about this company, that is another story, but that in no way affects that 20 for an expansion, is a fair price.

In a vacuum maybe. But relative to the market and what they've sold in the past, this is not a good value. And that's before examining the other more expensive packages for the expansion.

Ungood · October 2020

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

Allwynd_01 said:

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

The amount of content for this small sized DLC that they call expansion should not cost more than $8 at best. Not that I'm stingy or broke, but I'd like to get more content for $20, because what they're releasing is so little content-wise that they might as well release it for free and nobody will even notice it.

I have seen far less content sold for more in other games.

Hell, in some games I have seen a skin sell for 20 bucks in their store, just a cosmetic skin, alone, for 20 dollars.

So again.. I have no idea what the hang up is.

If you just have a bug up your ass about this company, that is another story, but that in no way affects that 20 for an expansion, is a fair price.

In a vacuum maybe. But relative to the market and what they've sold in the past, this is not a good value. And that's before examining the other more expensive packages for the expansion.

Maybe they undersold in the past. and it's simply not working for them.

If you think $20 is too much, then don't buy it, but all in all, across many games and what is out, and what you can get for 20 bucks. But keep in mind that selling content is how they make their money in LOTRO and DDO.

Just like in GW2, cosmetics are how they make money. Sure you can get some decent cosmetics for free in GW2, even the iconic legendary cosmetic skins/items, are free, but that does not mean that they won't sell a mount skin for 20 bucks. Because that is exactly what they did.

People complained then too, and how it costs too much, so what, if you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it.

But they need to make their dollar, and SSG sells content, so that is how they need to make their dollar.

DDO, their sister game, just put out an expansion for $40 (base) and 120 for the whole package deal.

Deal with it, or don't.

Let me clue you in, I quit DDO for a years, because I fed up with how they handled loot and gear, and screwing up the game.. they limped along just fine without me for those years, they will continue to limp along just fine without you.

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

Allwynd_01 said:

lahnmir said:

Awesome, bring it! Also, in what universe is 20 bucks overpriced?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

The amount of content for this small sized DLC that they call expansion should not cost more than $8 at best. Not that I'm stingy or broke, but I'd like to get more content for $20, because what they're releasing is so little content-wise that they might as well release it for free and nobody will even notice it.

I have seen far less content sold for more in other games.

Hell, in some games I have seen a skin sell for 20 bucks in their store, just a cosmetic skin, alone, for 20 dollars.

So again.. I have no idea what the hang up is.

If you just have a bug up your ass about this company, that is another story, but that in no way affects that 20 for an expansion, is a fair price.

In a vacuum maybe. But relative to the market and what they've sold in the past, this is not a good value. And that's before examining the other more expensive packages for the expansion.

Maybe they undersold in the past. and it's simply not working for them.

If you think $20 is too much, then don't buy it, but all in all, across many games and what is out, and what you can get for 20 bucks. But keep in mind that selling content is how they make their money in LOTRO and DDO.

Just like in GW2, cosmetics are how they make money. Sure you can get some decent cosmetics for free in GW2, even the iconic legendary cosmetic skins/items, are free, but that does not mean that they won't sell a mount skin for 20 bucks. Because that is exactly what they did.

People complained then too, and how it costs too much, so what, if you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it.

But they need to make their dollar, and SSG sells content, so that is how they need to make their dollar.

DDO, their sister game, just put out an expansion for $40 (base) and 120 for the whole package deal.

Deal with it, or don't.

Let me clue you in, I quit DDO for a years, because I fed up with how they handled loot and gear, and screwing up the game.. they limped along just fine without me for those years, they will continue to limp along just fine without you.

I know exactly why they are doing it and if they were transparent about it I'd be sympathetic. I think they would have been better off with reasonably priced content and separate MTX supporter packs. Well that and actually being honest with the players. But they chose the Pay For Power option long ago and then moved into P2W.

You can justify their model all you want. That doesn't mean they were forced to do it that way to keep being profitable. and what you can't justify is how poor they are in terms of transparency.

I can't imagine many people love SSG. What they love is that their games are still running and getting new content.

Ungood · October 2020

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:
In a vacuum maybe. But relative to the market and what they've sold in the past, this is not a good value. And that's before examining the other more expensive packages for the expansion.

Maybe they undersold in the past. and it's simply not working for them.

If you think $20 is too much, then don't buy it, but all in all, across many games and what is out, and what you can get for 20 bucks. But keep in mind that selling content is how they make their money in LOTRO and DDO.

Just like in GW2, cosmetics are how they make money. Sure you can get some decent cosmetics for free in GW2, even the iconic legendary cosmetic skins/items, are free, but that does not mean that they won't sell a mount skin for 20 bucks. Because that is exactly what they did.

People complained then too, and how it costs too much, so what, if you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it.

But they need to make their dollar, and SSG sells content, so that is how they need to make their dollar.

DDO, their sister game, just put out an expansion for $40 (base) and 120 for the whole package deal.

Deal with it, or don't.

Let me clue you in, I quit DDO for a years, because I fed up with how they handled loot and gear, and screwing up the game.. they limped along just fine without me for those years, they will continue to limp along just fine without you.

I know exactly why they are doing it and if they were transparent about it I'd be sympathetic. I think they would have been better off with reasonably priced content and separate MTX supporter packs. Well that and actually being honest with the players. But they chose the Pay For Power option long ago and then moved into P2W.

You can justify their model all you want. That doesn't mean they were forced to do it that way to keep being profitable. and what you can't justify is how poor they are in terms of transparency.

I can't imagine many people love SSG. What they love is that their games are still running and getting new content.

I think most of their Dev's are egotistical whiny douches, that if given half a chance would piss on their player base and call it rain.

However, their games fill a niche' group, that nothing else seems to even remotely come close to.

Not sure what transparency you are looking for as far as selling content goes, I mean, every company is out to make money, so, saying "Yo, we need to make some cash" would be so ostentatious that they might as well say "Yo, water is wet"

As for their model, what alternate model would you suggest for them?

Personally, I believe the model of selling playable content (DLC's) is the best model for a F2P game, because that way, the game keeps expanding and growing, players still go out and earn all their gear and marks as opposed to just buying it, and that keeps the whole theme of working for what you have, as opposed to a card swipe.

If you bought the Forever ViP, truth be told, they should have dumped that when they dumped Turbine, the fact that they still honored that through transitions of not only publisher but also developer, shows that they are at least trying to do right by their player base, there is the other chance that there was some legal issue and they could not cancel the forever VIP, and if that is the case, I also don't blame them for trying to circumvent it, and have to give them kudos for lasting this long before they made a solid push to exactly that.

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:
In a vacuum maybe. But relative to the market and what they've sold in the past, this is not a good value. And that's before examining the other more expensive packages for the expansion.

Maybe they undersold in the past. and it's simply not working for them.

If you think $20 is too much, then don't buy it, but all in all, across many games and what is out, and what you can get for 20 bucks. But keep in mind that selling content is how they make their money in LOTRO and DDO.

Just like in GW2, cosmetics are how they make money. Sure you can get some decent cosmetics for free in GW2, even the iconic legendary cosmetic skins/items, are free, but that does not mean that they won't sell a mount skin for 20 bucks. Because that is exactly what they did.

People complained then too, and how it costs too much, so what, if you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it.

But they need to make their dollar, and SSG sells content, so that is how they need to make their dollar.

DDO, their sister game, just put out an expansion for $40 (base) and 120 for the whole package deal.

Deal with it, or don't.

Let me clue you in, I quit DDO for a years, because I fed up with how they handled loot and gear, and screwing up the game.. they limped along just fine without me for those years, they will continue to limp along just fine without you.

I know exactly why they are doing it and if they were transparent about it I'd be sympathetic. I think they would have been better off with reasonably priced content and separate MTX supporter packs. Well that and actually being honest with the players. But they chose the Pay For Power option long ago and then moved into P2W.

You can justify their model all you want. That doesn't mean they were forced to do it that way to keep being profitable. and what you can't justify is how poor they are in terms of transparency.

I can't imagine many people love SSG. What they love is that their games are still running and getting new content.

As for their model, what alternate model would you suggest for them?

It's too late for them to adopt a better model. They dug themselves into this hole and they can't really get out now.

The biggest issue isn't even the overpriced expansions or even that they'd redefined what an expansion is just to get more money from VIPs. It's the reliance on pay for power, sometimes P2W, stuff in the shop. And they clearly have no alternate solution to that.

I'm really not sure how much further they can go in terms of gouging the VIPs though. I guess we'll see of the next 18 months.

Ungood · October 2020

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:
I know exactly why they are doing it and if they were transparent about it I'd be sympathetic. I think they would have been better off with reasonably priced content and separate MTX supporter packs. Well that and actually being honest with the players. But they chose the Pay For Power option long ago and then moved into P2W.

You can justify their model all you want. That doesn't mean they were forced to do it that way to keep being profitable. and what you can't justify is how poor they are in terms of transparency.

I can't imagine many people love SSG. What they love is that their games are still running and getting new content.

As for their model, what alternate model would you suggest for them?

It's too late for them to adopt a better model. They dug themselves into this hole and they can't really get out now.

The biggest issue isn't even the overpriced expansions or even that they'd redefined what an expansion is just to get more money from VIPs. It's the reliance on pay for power, sometimes P2W, stuff in the shop. And they clearly have no alternate solution to that.

I'm really not sure how much further they can go in terms of gouging the VIPs though. I guess we'll see of the next 18 months.

What kind of P2W did they put in? Don't tell me.. Bank space?

FrodoFragins · October 2020

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:

Ungood said:

FrodoFragins said:
I know exactly why they are doing it and if they were transparent about it I'd be sympathetic. I think they would have been better off with reasonably priced content and separate MTX supporter packs. Well that and actually being honest with the players. But they chose the Pay For Power option long ago and then moved into P2W.

You can justify their model all you want. That doesn't mean they were forced to do it that way to keep being profitable. and what you can't justify is how poor they are in terms of transparency.

I can't imagine many people love SSG. What they love is that their games are still running and getting new content.

As for their model, what alternate model would you suggest for them?

It's too late for them to adopt a better model. They dug themselves into this hole and they can't really get out now.

The biggest issue isn't even the overpriced expansions or even that they'd redefined what an expansion is just to get more money from VIPs. It's the reliance on pay for power, sometimes P2W, stuff in the shop. And they clearly have no alternate solution to that.

I'm really not sure how much further they can go in terms of gouging the VIPs though. I guess we'll see of the next 18 months.

What kind of P2W did they put in? Don't tell me.. Bank space?

1) Loot boxes with BiS items soon after they are released with content
2) LI scroll shortcuts - they've admitted the system is a mess, after a VERY long period of complaints. but they refused to actually lay out a fix. We all know why that is.
3) Virtue upgrades that can only be acquired in the store or from someone who uses it

That good enough?

I don't really come here to argue with closed minded jerks so I'm gonna ignore you now.

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