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Genshin Impact Review - The RPG Files | MMORPG.com

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  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 768
    edited October 2020
    Bloodaxes said:
    kitarad said:
    Lady luck has it in for me and every opportunity she gets she will shank me with that dull butter knife she wields. Any game that has to rely on luck I have to pass on as I am not going to get anywhere fast relying on her good graces.
    At the end of the day, it's a PVE game. From what I've read, you can still progress and do the main story and side quests fine. You pay if you want more characters in your roster.
    you are not wrong about that... but at the spiral abyss on floor 6 and after you will need 8 character min in your roster. if you have less I will just quote gandalf "you shall not pass"
  • RedFireCERedFireCE Member UncommonPosts: 49
    I'm not a fan of forum conversation, that's why I'm so inactive, but some things in the industry must be fought.
    Lies and Star Citizen, these are my targets.

    GI is currently the most expensive and predatory gacha on the market.
    It is a gacha game, this is not an MMORPG.
    This is how casinos work these days, guys.
    It was 100 million dollars in a month of a vast majority addicted to gambling. This is not a cool way to make money developing games. This is an evil business.

    When someone comes up here and says that a casino game is not predatory, that guy is probably addicted to losing money or getting paid for it.
    And the worst part is that if this guy was paid to write this shit all the money will come back to miHoYo, because there is a big chance that he is addicted to gachas.

    This is a gacha and not an MMO!

    This is a hell place where people spend all their money, and I'm not talking about rich people.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    I think it is a great game.
    What they created was a fun game in a fun world with fun characters.
    The end game progression is sketchy but for a free to play game it is really good.
    If you just play it for the 25-30ish hours to end game you can really have a great time. 


    You are right, the game itself is amazing. I was blown away by how smoothly everything works: the characters, animations, graphics, and combat system are all top notch. The story is fun in a whimsical kind of way. It has one of the best open world systems I have played - I really feel compelled and rewarded to go and explore the world.

    It also has a reasonable amount of depth, a super slick UI, and just loads of cool stuff and challenges to do. Its not the kind of game I am usually attracted to (I tend to prefer games like Dragons Dogma), but its been a lot of fun nonetheless. (I completely ignore the cash shop/gatcha and just play for free).
    ....
  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 664
    Haven't spent a dime on the game, have 3 very solid characters from rolls I used strictly from what I made in game. The characters are whatever, even some of the weapons you don't "need" so whatever, however the problem this game will see will not be from the character side, I've seen f2p characters outdo some of the "S tier" characters in this past event. The resin recharge will be the bane of this game in the long run, content will be there if they keep with the schedule and add in events between updates but that recharge for the resin is insane.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    YashaX said:
    I think it is a great game.
    What they created was a fun game in a fun world with fun characters.
    The end game progression is sketchy but for a free to play game it is really good.
    If you just play it for the 25-30ish hours to end game you can really have a great time. 


    You are right, the game itself is amazing. I was blown away by how smoothly everything works: the characters, animations, graphics, and combat system are all top notch. The story is fun in a whimsical kind of way. It has one of the best open world systems I have played - I really feel compelled and rewarded to go and explore the world.

    It also has a reasonable amount of depth, a super slick UI, and just loads of cool stuff and challenges to do. Its not the kind of game I am usually attracted to (I tend to prefer games like Dragons Dogma), but its been a lot of fun nonetheless. (I completely ignore the cash shop/gatcha and just play for free).
    You ignore the cashshop??!!!! but they have one, you don’t need it at all but you most definitely must complain about it!

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 768
    Aeander said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    Aeander said:
    Scot said:
    Aeander said:
    RedFireCE said:
    "Purchases don't feel predatory"

    More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
    100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP

    Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.

    A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
    But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.

    Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective. 
    This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?

    So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is talking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion. 
    Not really stretching. He does disclose that he has played multiple gacha games "more than he cares to admit" in the first paragraph of the review. The avatar just makes clear just how much he identifies with this much-maligned genre.

    I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
    One can still be critical of something they love so I disagree. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the person is never a good thing imo.
    I also agree with that statement. One can be critical of something they love. In fact, being a fan of something makes one more aware of flaws that a casual player or a non-fan would not pick up on. And it makes that perspective valuable in its own right. A Warriors fan is more qualified to say that Hyrule Warriors is a good Warriors game and Dynasty Warriors 9 is a bad Warriors game than a typical outlet reviewer is to say "all Warriors games are bad."

    But we are talking about the difference between a fan of a genre and a fan of a business model. Business models are touchy subjects, and should be approached with a greater deal of caution. An especially great deal of caution when we're dealing with a particularly contentious one.

    "This game's business model is not predatory" is a difficult statement to justify when that same business model has demonstrated the ability to sink someone over $7,000 on live stream to acquire a single copy of Diluc. Newsflash to that poor soul - he needs 6 more copies to fully unlock that one character. And then a 5 star weapon with the same number of copies to be at the top of the power curb... on one character.
    I don't know why you are watching that Tensha? guy for the diluc copy, he doesn't even understand the elemental mechanic. I cringed watching him trying to beat miniboss it's like having all overpowered character but don't know how to use it I guess he is rich because he has like 100k subs too. I keep wondering why people watch him.
  • ArenraizelArenraizel Newbie CommonPosts: 1
    The review talks about the monetization model a lot and then scores 9/10 for gameplay ??.
    The gameplay is 7/8 at best and the awful monetization followed should bring this score 4/5. Giving a game like this a 9 is basically asking futures games to be a pain in the ass just to play and begging them to implement lootboxes for profits.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    edited October 2020
    RedFireCE said:
    I'm not a fan of forum conversation, that's why I'm so inactive, but some things in the industry must be fought.
    Lies and Star Citizen, these are my targets.

    GI is currently the most expensive and predatory gacha on the market.
    It is a gacha game, this is not an MMORPG.
    This is how casinos work these days, guys.
    It was 100 million dollars in a month of a vast majority addicted to gambling. This is not a cool way to make money developing games. This is an evil business.

    When someone comes up here and says that a casino game is not predatory, that guy is probably addicted to losing money or getting paid for it.
    And the worst part is that if this guy was paid to write this shit all the money will come back to miHoYo, because there is a big chance that he is addicted to gachas.

    This is a gacha and not an MMO!

    This is a hell place where people spend all their money, and I'm not talking about rich people.
    I can certainly believe we have article writers who are rather too close to certain funding models like gacha, the same could be said for F2P or the concept of mobile gaming. It is a problematic, those of us who have played more of these games even grown up with them without seeing how a subscription and paid expansion work may see all these systems as fine.

    My real beef is with those who saw how subscription and paid expansion worked and then say they see F2P, GASS, Gatcha, EA, mobile having no effect on how we play. The change has been extraordinary and nearly always for the worse.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Aeander said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    Aeander said:
    Scot said:
    Aeander said:
    RedFireCE said:
    "Purchases don't feel predatory"

    More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
    100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP

    Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.

    A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
    But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.

    Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective. 
    This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?

    So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is talking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion. 
    Not really stretching. He does disclose that he has played multiple gacha games "more than he cares to admit" in the first paragraph of the review. The avatar just makes clear just how much he identifies with this much-maligned genre.

    I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
    One can still be critical of something they love so I disagree. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the person is never a good thing imo.
    I also agree with that statement. One can be critical of something they love. In fact, being a fan of something makes one more aware of flaws that a casual player or a non-fan would not pick up on. And it makes that perspective valuable in its own right. A Warriors fan is more qualified to say that Hyrule Warriors is a good Warriors game and Dynasty Warriors 9 is a bad Warriors game than a typical outlet reviewer is to say "all Warriors games are bad."

    But we are talking about the difference between a fan of a genre and a fan of a business model. Business models are touchy subjects, and should be approached with a greater deal of caution. An especially great deal of caution when we're dealing with a particularly contentious one.

    "This game's business model is not predatory" is a difficult statement to justify when that same business model has demonstrated the ability to sink someone over $7,000 on live stream to acquire a single copy of Diluc. Newsflash to that poor soul - he needs 6 more copies to fully unlock that one character. And then a 5 star weapon with the same number of copies to be at the top of the power curb... on one character.
    I don't know why you are watching that Tensha? guy for the diluc copy, he doesn't even understand the elemental mechanic. I cringed watching him trying to beat miniboss it's like having all overpowered character but don't know how to use it I guess he is rich because he has like 100k subs too. I keep wondering why people watch him.
    I don't watch him. Or any streamer. I would rather play games than watch games being played. I just know about said incident because I'm pretty clued in on gaming communities.
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,327
    I would love to play this game and I tried but I really can't due to there is NO KEYMAPPER.
    I hate the classic WASD setup, I really hope they will add keymap in the future.
    sybaritictrance
  • sybaritictrancesybaritictrance Member UncommonPosts: 27
    edited October 2020
    So guys, I can't reply to everyone because we'd be here all day buried in giant quote windows, but I genuinely appreciate your feedback and your discussion thus far. Yes, I have played a bunch of gacha games, and while I honestly can't say I appreciate the business model, I felt like people who are going to jump into this game are only going to hear the comparisons to Breath of the Wild. That's why I spent so much time explaining what gacha is, because the idea of my review was to cater to people who had heard about it strictly on that comparison. I wish this game didn't have a gacha, but it does, and this is the most complete "full game" experience I've seen in one thus far. Everything else is bite-sized little missions or PVP arena battles, but this is a full fledged game that asks absolutely nothing from you - and even when it does, it waits until you've spent a significant amount of time in their game before doing so. That counts for something in my opinion.

    I didn't complain about the rates (yes, they are absolute dog shit rates especially given how many you dupes you need to complete a constellation) in this game because I addressed that you can complete everything in the game with the characters the game gives you for free. There really is no reason to ever purchase Wishes, as a 5* character in this game really only does what your current characters do, but way better. That's how I justified saying the purchases aren't predatory - because as of right now they really aren't. Yes, pulling Diluc is awesome, but Chongyun is much easier to get, and does high damage if you build him like you would Diluc. The constellations are a nice touch, but are not necessary; they're just icing on the cake for your duplicates. You're way better off spending real money to recharge your resin, since that's the only way to advance your player rank once you've done all of the quests.

    I apologize for giving snarky responses earlier in this thread. As a writer, we typically field a billion comments that give every single reason everything we've ever written is shit/paid for/shill/wrong/stupid and every other excuse under the sun as to why our opinion isn't as good as theirs. It's common nature for us to somewhat troll on our replies, so going forward, I'll try to help address comments as genuine criticisms and not just assuming everyone is saying "omg this guy sux 1/10 paid shill". Constructive criticism is always welcome as it only improves my writing.

    And for the record, Aeander, I'm also a huge Dynasty Warriors/musou fan too - but I'll be the first one to bitch about how bad DW9 is, and complain that it's bullshit that Hyrule Warriors might be the best musou game ever made.

    PS: The lack of keybinding is also a pain, but it doesn't feel half bad with a controller so I didn't harp on it.
    YashaX
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    .... you can complete everything in the game with the characters the game gives you for free. There really is no reason to ever purchase Wishes, as a 5* character in this game really only does what your current characters do, but way better. 
    Well that's the basic problem right there at least with the audience here. A lot of us play games seriously and a big part of that is building toward being "way better." 

    We can tolerate loot crates, gacha, etc., even when we find them annoying or dishonest in principle, if they're just cosmetic. When they're  a roadblock to building that "way better character" that's a different level of annoyance altogether. That's the stereotypical P2W problem even if we define "winning" simply as being the best we can be.

    I translate what you're saying into "If you're a casual you can play the game just fine without worrying about gacha but if you're a serious gamer be ready to open up your wallet and spend hundreds if not thousands."
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    edited October 2020
    And for the record, Aeander, I'm also a huge Dynasty Warriors/musou fan too - but I'll be the first one to bitch about how bad DW9 is, and complain that it's bullshit that Hyrule Warriors might be the best musou game ever made.
    I agree on both counts, btw.

    DW9 is actual, factual dogshit. It is genuinely without redeeming value.

    And HW is the game I see most held up as peak Musuo by the community. I don't personally agree with that, though I do respect the game. I don't enjoy it as much as I should because of its constant scavenger hunts and clunky all-flash-no-substance movesets.

    Personally speaking, I think Fire Emblem Warriors is peak musuo. The UI is slick, it tells me everything I need to know about my side objectives, the mounted combat is the best in series, and the movesets are really fast and practical in general. Part of that is my IP bias, but I just also have more fun with it in practice.

    Similar to my positive FE bias, I must also admit the caveat that I'll never be able to give One Piece Pirate Warriors its due regard because that's an IP I dislike and that's going to skew my perception negatively even while I enjoy the gameplay.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    edited October 2020
    One of the things that irritates me about the game is that it seems to know exactly what kind of characters I like to play - the suave, dark-clad, rogueish male characters like Diluc and Zhongli... and it makes them exclusively 5 star thus far. I guess Kaeya is okay.


    So for me, the game is locking me out of fully enjoying myself both cosmetically and power wise. Yes, that issue will probably go down with time when and if more appealing characters are added to the 4 star pool. But for now, it's an issue for me. And judging by the upcoming 4 star characters being completely unappealing to me, it will remain an issue for a while.




    I'm trying to maintain the discipline to save all of my resources for Zhongli's addition. He's great. That combination of oblivious mooch with literal smartest man in the room is perfect.
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  • sybaritictrancesybaritictrance Member UncommonPosts: 27
    Iselin said:

    I translate what you're saying into "If you're a casual you can play the game just fine without worrying about gacha but if you're a serious gamer be ready to open up your wallet and spend hundreds if not thousands."
    I'd argue that being the best isn't the same thing as being a serious gamer. I'm god awful at most games, but I have the platinum trophies for games like Bloodborne and Dark Souls. I get absolutely obliterated in their PVP scene. Do serious gamers not drive for all of the trophies/achievements, only for the most overpowered broken characters/builds? In Genshin, I'd argue that being a serious gamer is someone who's maxing their teams and clearing all of the content, not someone who's joining the shitty MP sessions and soloing 4 player battles.

    Aeander said:
    One of the things that irritates me about the game is that it seems to know exactly what kind of characters I like to play - the suave, dark-clad, rogueish male characters like Diluc and Zhongli... and it makes them exclusively 5 star thus far. I guess Kaeya is okay.

    So for me, the game is locking me out of fully enjoying myself both cosmetically and power wise. Yes, that issue will probably go down with time when and if more appealing characters are added to the 4 star pool. But for now, it's an issue for me. And judging by the upcoming 4 star characters being completely unappealing to me, it will remain an issue for a while.

    Fair. As you can see from the screens in my review, I have Diluc and he's an absolute Chad - but as I said, he's not required. Cosmetically, yeah, I get it 100%. I equally find myself jealous that I don't have Razor, but have this seemingly worthless 5* Electric girl who I rarely use but keep with me because she's "better" than the freebie mage. 
    YashaX
  • sybaritictrancesybaritictrance Member UncommonPosts: 27
    edited October 2020
    Aeander said:
    And for the record, Aeander, I'm also a huge Dynasty Warriors/musou fan too - but I'll be the first one to bitch about how bad DW9 is, and complain that it's bullshit that Hyrule Warriors might be the best musou game ever made.
    I agree on both counts, btw.

    DW9 is actual, factual dogshit. It is genuinely without redeeming value.

    And HW is the game I see most held up as peak Musuo by the community. I don't personally agree with that, though I do respect the game. I don't enjoy it as much as I should because of its constant scavenger hunts and clunky all-flash-no-substance movesets.

    Personally speaking, I think Fire Emblem Warriors is peak musuo. The UI is slick, it tells me everything I need to know about my side objectives, the mounted combat is the best in series, and the movesets are really fast and practical in general. Part of that is my IP bias, but I just also have more fun with it in practice.

    Similar to my positive FE bias, I must also admit the caveat that I'll never be able to give One Piece Pirate Warriors its due regard because that's an IP I dislike and that's going to skew my perception negatively even while I enjoy the gameplay.

    Also, real quick on that - I liked FEW too (though not as much as HW or DQH), but the twins are absolutely worthless bores that don't ultimately matter at all. Similarly to the Travelers in Genshin. :wink:
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Aeander said:
    And for the record, Aeander, I'm also a huge Dynasty Warriors/musou fan too - but I'll be the first one to bitch about how bad DW9 is, and complain that it's bullshit that Hyrule Warriors might be the best musou game ever made.
    I agree on both counts, btw.

    DW9 is actual, factual dogshit. It is genuinely without redeeming value.

    And HW is the game I see most held up as peak Musuo by the community. I don't personally agree with that, though I do respect the game. I don't enjoy it as much as I should because of its constant scavenger hunts and clunky all-flash-no-substance movesets.

    Personally speaking, I think Fire Emblem Warriors is peak musuo. The UI is slick, it tells me everything I need to know about my side objectives, the mounted combat is the best in series, and the movesets are really fast and practical in general. Part of that is my IP bias, but I just also have more fun with it in practice.

    Similar to my positive FE bias, I must also admit the caveat that I'll never be able to give One Piece Pirate Warriors its due regard because that's an IP I dislike and that's going to skew my perception negatively even while I enjoy the gameplay.

    Also, real quick on that - I liked FEW too (though not as much as HW or DQH), but the twins are absolutely worthless bores that don't ultimately matter at all. Similarly to the Travelers in Genshin. :wink:
    You don't have to tell me that. Lianna is okay, but Rowan is a human rectal wart. So annoying.

    I want an Age of Calamity style follow up for FE Warriors really badly. And hey, maybe give the Twins' moveset to an actual FE character like Leif or Roy. 
    sybaritictrance
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    edited October 2020
    As a long time role-player and lover of stories it all ways fascinates me when readers/players take characters so seriously. They are not real people, but people have attitudes to them as if they were!

    I can remember when I proposed on the HP forums that the Half Blood Prince was my favourite Potter book/film and Lavender as a favourite minor character because of her comic role. Posters, I assume girls came on in droves to tell me what a horrible person (the language was stronger than that!) she was and defend Hermione. I tried to explain it was how much comedy she brought to story, but they were having none of it.

    Stories mean so much to us, but if you meet that actress or actor (voice actor?) in the street, remember its just a role. :)

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    You don't have to reply to everyone Sybaritictrance, its a gaming article not a new world manifesto. :)
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    cheyane said:
    Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
    you can use a controller. Works really well for this title 
    Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    The game is great... for a mobile game, and that's how I play it. On Mobile. For a mobile game I could see it being around a 9... sure.. simply because the game has a lot more than just gacha.. initially. 

    As a PC and Console game.. I wouldn't really give it much time. Combat is fairly limited, and I don't really like any of the characters. 

    Again, as a mobile game.. it's tops.. in comparison to what other mobile games are. Then again, RuneScape is tops in comparison to other mobile games too so...
    I could never see myself playing this on mobile. I already find it challenging enough with a controller - could never see it working on touch controls (unless part of the combat literally plays itself).
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