Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
Because keyboard and mouse is exhausting and lends itself to bad posture. Unless I'm playing a competitive shooter, or a game that performs like ass on controller (like Warframe), I always lean on the classic controller setup.
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
It depends on the game. If I'm playing a game I need to be highly reactive, obviously mouse and keyboard will shine. For such a game as this? Controller is much more comfortable in the long run.
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
Because keyboard and mouse is exhausting and lends itself to bad posture. Unless I'm playing a competitive shooter, or a game that performs like ass on controller (like Warframe), I always lean on the classic controller setup.
If you are sitting on a couch using a controller, that's bad posture right there. If I was using any control system sitting on the couch I would say the same, its sitting at a desk that is the key. But you may be using a desk, in which I can't see how K+B is worse than console.
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
Because some games are coded in a way that a controller lends itself to a more natural and intuitive way of experiencing it. Like playing Madden or PGA2K21 on PC is terrible with mouse and Keyboard. I only suggested it to her because the keybinds are not customizable on Keyboard for this game.
Well they should be coded better.
Come on you know I am going to turn my nose up at anything console, we have to play our part.
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
In truth, even though to me keyboard/mouse is THE way to go, I can see why some people might want to use a controller.
Some games are made so that the flow of game play is better with controller than keyboard and mouse.
I would say the dark souls games are like this. Even though they eventually added Mouse/keyboard options I'm always getting lost in the controls. Unless I move to a controller. Then they make sense. But then I suck more.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Games that don't allow one to remap properly [because I rely on remapping like a blood line] will be impossible for me to play.
you can use a controller. Works really well for this title
Controllers and I are bitter enemies.
All I see on Steam is "Does it have controller support"? You are using a PC. You have a superior system with keyboard, mouse and joystick. Why would you even want to play it that way?!
In truth, even though to me keyboard/mouse is THE way to go, I can see why some people might want to use a controller.
Some games are made so that the flow of game play is better with controller than keyboard and mouse.
I would say the dark souls games are like this. Even though they eventually added Mouse/keyboard options I'm always getting lost in the controls. Unless I move to a controller. Then they make sense. But then I suck more.
If its what you are used to, you going to want to keep using it, its only natural really.
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
I would give the first 50 hours of this game a 9/10 and the last 50, if you can stomach that many more, a 2/10. Comes out of the gate hard and fast then breaks all of its legs on the last bend. Gacha as a monetization scheme is, alone, problematic, then add on the resin (stamina) system which limits you to maybe 20 minutes of meaningful play per day and you end up with an empty shell of a game that has only one goal in mind: to separate you from your money for cutesy waifu and loli characters.
Approach with caution. If you know you're fine with humping and dumping, then you can get a decent week of fun out of this game. If you are looking for a new "main game" avoid. If you have gambling problems, avoid at ALL costs.
I would give the first 50 hours of this game a 9/10 and the last 50, if you can stomach that many more, a 2/10. Comes out of the gate hard and fast then breaks all of its legs on the last bend. Gacha as a monetization scheme is, alone, problematic, then add on the resin (stamina) system which limits you to maybe 20 minutes of meaningful play per day and you end up with an empty shell of a game that has only one goal in mind: to separate you from your money for cutesy waifu and loli characters.
Approach with caution. If you know you're fine with humping and dumping, then you can get a decent week of fun out of this game. If you are looking for a new "main game" avoid. If you have gambling problems, avoid at ALL costs.
It's definitely not a main game. But playing the devil's advocate, we really don't give enough appreciation to the concept of a side game.
Games like Warframe slot in really well as complements to whatever main game you're playing.
Putting the gacha aside, the main issue I am seeing that a lot of people are starting to have with Genshin now that the honeymoon period is over is that while it starts out as an amazing Breath fo the Wild game, it becomes a generic grind-dailies mobile game once you reach the end (which doens't really take that long).
Of course, taking the gacha into consideration, that just means it's basically a generic mobile gacha game once you're done with the amazing Breath of the Wild part.
I would give the first 50 hours of this game a 9/10 and the last 50, if you can stomach that many more, a 2/10. Comes out of the gate hard and fast then breaks all of its legs on the last bend. Gacha as a monetization scheme is, alone, problematic, then add on the resin (stamina) system which limits you to maybe 20 minutes of meaningful play per day and you end up with an empty shell of a game that has only one goal in mind: to separate you from your money for cutesy waifu and loli characters.
Approach with caution. If you know you're fine with humping and dumping, then you can get a decent week of fun out of this game. If you are looking for a new "main game" avoid. If you have gambling problems, avoid at ALL costs.
It's definitely not a main game. But playing the devil's advocate, we really don't give enough appreciation to the concept of a side game.
Games like Warframe slot in really well as complements to whatever main game you're playing.
I think a big annoyance is it tricks you into thinking you'll be playing a main breath of the wild-ish game (kinda like maining Diablo 3 or POE 3 with nigh limitless gameplay each day if you feel like it), but in truth it'll end up just being a side-game at best with the usual stamina system and gacha for the hero collecting.
And, it appears for many, the trick worked. The bait got quite a few people to try and then spend (they say "Just be F2P" but the temptation is how they net some fishies and even whales!) and whale big on a game that ended up being not what they were led to believe it would be.
Answering some statements throughout the comments. I am not a troll, but treating a gacha game like an RPG or MMO game that releases 2 DLCs a year + battle pass is outrageous.
Do you think people are stupid? All content on Youtube and Twitch is about pull 5 * character. It gets to the point that these guys use teams with only 5 * that cause less damage, because even the streamer was infected with the idea that 5 * are better characters.
I know how this strategy works, you start by saying that it’s f2p without having to spend anything, and then you say that the battle pass is cheap and worth it just to break the mental barrier and turn a f2p into a dolphin who can fall into the misfortune of becoming a whale.
Guys, I'm not here to troll you, check out the stories of whales who spent months of wages on irrelevant gachas just because they started with a small "welcome" pack" that cost 99¢. Just check out reddit, every day is a new story.
Genshin Impact is a gacha game and those people who say that he is a differentiated and modern gacha that does not need to spend money to progress, they are lying.
Granblue and FGO is from 2014 and 2015 respectively.
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
The game is great... for a mobile game, and that's how I play it. On Mobile. For a mobile game I could see it being around a 9... sure.. simply because the game has a lot more than just gacha.. initially.
As a PC and Console game.. I wouldn't really give it much time. Combat is fairly limited, and I don't really like any of the characters.
Again, as a mobile game.. it's tops.. in comparison to what other mobile games are. Then again, RuneScape is tops in comparison to other mobile games too so...
I could never see myself playing this on mobile. I already find it challenging enough with a controller - could never see it working on touch controls (unless part of the combat literally plays itself).
It's actually far easier to play on mobile for me. The screen is a little small maybe, but I found the controller layout atrocious. It's so much easier on mobile.
With the exception of aiming with ambers bow. It takes a little to get used to, but still doable. Everything else is so much easier.
Maybe if they allow me to remap a controller later on, I'll hop back on my PC, but until then... mobile is pretty good. You can also up the graphics on mobile with next to no performance decrease, whereas the PC versions require a fairly strong PC (a 1060 6gb) to run recommended settings. So weird that it's that way. My PC can run max settings I just find it strange how mobile runs so well even on older phones.
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
Apart from the shame.
Come on I am joking. You don't think I actually expect people to want to hide the fact they use a controller, maybe go to a Controller Anonymous group?
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
Apart from the shame.
Come on I am joking. You don't think I actually expect people to want to hide the fact they use a controller, maybe go to a Controller Anonymous group?
In my defence, it's a little difficult to deduce sarcasm/jokes from reading responses. Since you replied multiple times in the same fashion, I thought you were serious.
I would give the first 50 hours of this game a 9/10 and the last 50, if you can stomach that many more, a 2/10. Comes out of the gate hard and fast then breaks all of its legs on the last bend. Gacha as a monetization scheme is, alone, problematic, then add on the resin (stamina) system which limits you to maybe 20 minutes of meaningful play per day and you end up with an empty shell of a game that has only one goal in mind: to separate you from your money for cutesy waifu and loli characters.
Approach with caution. If you know you're fine with humping and dumping, then you can get a decent week of fun out of this game. If you are looking for a new "main game" avoid. If you have gambling problems, avoid at ALL costs.
It's definitely not a main game. But playing the devil's advocate, we really don't give enough appreciation to the concept of a side game.
Games like Warframe slot in really well as complements to whatever main game you're playing.
Yea some people are into that I get it. For me this game is more like a Pavlovian experiment and the 4 daily commissions are the metronome (or bell) but the difference is in this experiment is you only get to eat once per 8 months as a F2P (how long it takes to get "fed" a 5* @ 60 primogems per day rate to hit pity). I know I'm salivating. Of course, you can open up your wallet and eat right now for $180 to hit 5* pity, but you might find yourself eating carrots when you wanted steak. I'd rather get 3 AAA titles but that's just me, I'm not much of a gambler.
I'm not going to rip on people who like that sort of thing. Go for it. Just saying that I don't think most PC/Console gamers are going to appreciate it much after the initial game is over, which to be fair, I found very enjoyable for what it was.
Putting the gacha aside, the main issue I am seeing that a lot of people are starting to have with Genshin now that the honeymoon period is over is that while it starts out as an amazing Breath fo the Wild game, it becomes a generic grind-dailies mobile game once you reach the end (which doens't really take that long).
Of course, taking the gacha into consideration, that just means it's basically a generic mobile gacha game once you're done with the amazing Breath of the Wild part.
I would give the first 50 hours of this game a 9/10 and the last 50, if you can stomach that many more, a 2/10. Comes out of the gate hard and fast then breaks all of its legs on the last bend. Gacha as a monetization scheme is, alone, problematic, then add on the resin (stamina) system which limits you to maybe 20 minutes of meaningful play per day and you end up with an empty shell of a game that has only one goal in mind: to separate you from your money for cutesy waifu and loli characters.
Approach with caution. If you know you're fine with humping and dumping, then you can get a decent week of fun out of this game. If you are looking for a new "main game" avoid. If you have gambling problems, avoid at ALL costs.
It's definitely not a main game. But playing the devil's advocate, we really don't give enough appreciation to the concept of a side game.
Games like Warframe slot in really well as complements to whatever main game you're playing.
I think a big annoyance is it tricks you into thinking you'll be playing a main breath of the wild-ish game (kinda like maining Diablo 3 or POE 3 with nigh limitless gameplay each day if you feel like it), but in truth it'll end up just being a side-game at best with the usual stamina system and gacha for the hero collecting.
And, it appears for many, the trick worked. The bait got quite a few people to try and then spend (they say "Just be F2P" but the temptation is how they net some fishies and even whales!) and whale big on a game that ended up being not what they were led to believe it would be.
Or most people just played it as a fun free to play game, completed the main game and moved on to something else spending nothing and having a grand time. I think sometimes people want to make more of something than it is. I think the real key to a free to play game as a player is how much fun can I have with it before it gets to a point that I need to spend real money to continue to enjoy it. In this game's case for me that was about 26 hours. After that I just stopped playing and I spent nothing. I am glad they made such a fun game for me to enjoy for nothing.
The business model intent of the game was always that lots of people would realize they should move on from the game but enough either don't get the memo or are satisfied with the generic daily gacha model that they'd continue spending. That's how the business model of most F2P games works. Even not-Genshin generic gacha hero collector mobile games have the gameplay heavily loaded up front giving you tons of free stuff and upgrades being cheap and stamina being plenty, and you don't hit the stamina and progression walls until later on, at which point only the whales will mostly stick around and there thing lost when the free players (free loaders from their perspective) pack up and leave. It's just that the contrast between those two points and gameplay mood-swing is especially sharp with Genshin.
With the "master race" joke aside, having a system that can do everything means that I can also play games with a controller. I see nothing wrong with that.
Apart from the shame.
Come on I am joking. You don't think I actually expect people to want to hide the fact they use a controller, maybe go to a Controller Anonymous group?
In my defence, it's a little difficult to deduce sarcasm/jokes from reading responses. Since you replied multiple times in the same fashion, I thought you were serious.
Well, carry on then.
Fair enough, but I do stuff on here with smiles and people still think I am being deadly serious, when its deadpan it is easier to see why you might have thought that.
I have to agree with the post above me. The response from the OP was snarky and unprofessional. I don't come to this site every day, so god knows how many articles I have missed. If I see a review, I shouldn't have to go digging into the history of articles to find or to try to see if something else was written about the game before I read a review, nor should I have to reference outside links or other reviews to understand the review I am reading here.
Anyway, this review and high rating gave me flashbacks to Bill's ridiculous Wildstar review and his defense of it's 'stylized' graphics...a game that had the worst Story, yet he would defend the PVE. I knew that game would fail within two hours of testing it.
Yea some people are into that I get it. For me this game is more like a Pavlovian experiment and the 4 daily commissions are the metronome (or bell) but the difference is in this experiment is you only get to eat once per 8 months as a F2P (how long it takes to get "fed" a 5* @ 60 primogems per day rate to hit pity). I know I'm salivating. Of course, you can open up your wallet and eat right now for $180 to hit 5* pity, but you might find yourself eating carrots when you wanted steak. I'd rather get 3 AAA titles but that's just me, I'm not much of a gambler.
I'm not going to rip on people who like that sort of thing. Go for it. Just saying that I don't think most PC/Console gamers are going to appreciate it much after the initial game is over, which to be fair, I found very enjoyable for what it was.
That's the appeal of gacha, though. You take a risk if you pay, and sometimes it's good and most times it's shit. Trust me, I'm all too familiar with the asshole known as RNG. I spent more on pulls trying to stay competitive in FFBE than I spent building my desktop rig. I happened to get lucky with the free currency and got Diluc (as you can see in the review photos) and he's been nice, but I'm still not at all compelled to spend money on this game. The characters aren't must have nor do they strong enough personalities to make you chase them. There was a huge difference in pulling for Noctis in FFBE - a character who I was already familiar with going in and seeing that he had a powerful reward for using him - versus paying for characters I don't know/barely care about. The actual gacha in this game is, thankfully, kind of worthless for the time being.
That said, the game is still fantastic for what it is, and will still offer considerably more time/fun than a lot of full price games on the market. I've put more time into Genshin than I ever did with Breath of The Wild, personally because the easy breaking weapons was a giant deal breaker for me. Review scores are always subjective to the person who wrote them, so while I can certainly see how people hit the wall and burn out after 25 hours, it's not enough to not provide a high score based on what the game delivers vs what it cost. Purely as a free to play entry, there's very few titles on the market that had this much content available on day one and worked even remotely as well. Not a knock on Warframe or any other F2P, but several of those games have had to have massive content patches and redesigns in order to attract players again. In hindsight, maybe a 9 seems too high, but would you have disagreed with that score when you were enamored with it? 5-7 hours in, this game grabs you and makes you want to spend WAY more time in it than you'd like to admit, even with daily grinding.
Does the sheen wear off? Undoubtedly. You could argue the same thing with WoW or FFXIV too. Once you clear the MSQ and get a job or two to 80, FFXIV becomes the same old repetitive boring grind and you find out just how similar each class type is by learning their nuances. Will I keep playing Genshin as my main game? Nope, I'm already at a point where it feels like a struggle to try and keep up with other people I know. Do I regret the score I gave it? Nope, cause a lot of people will only dabble in this game as a side piece since it's free, and the sheen will last a lot longer for them.
Yea some people are into that I get it. For me this game is more like a Pavlovian experiment and the 4 daily commissions are the metronome (or bell) but the difference is in this experiment is you only get to eat once per 8 months as a F2P (how long it takes to get "fed" a 5* @ 60 primogems per day rate to hit pity). I know I'm salivating. Of course, you can open up your wallet and eat right now for $180 to hit 5* pity, but you might find yourself eating carrots when you wanted steak. I'd rather get 3 AAA titles but that's just me, I'm not much of a gambler.
I'm not going to rip on people who like that sort of thing. Go for it. Just saying that I don't think most PC/Console gamers are going to appreciate it much after the initial game is over, which to be fair, I found very enjoyable for what it was.
That's the appeal of gacha, though. You take a risk if you pay, and sometimes it's good and most times it's shit.
Yea I just call that gambling I'm not on board with the "It's a gacha so it has to have predatory gambling!" argument personally but to each his own. The game is not that fun to me now that it's a waiting for resin simulator, but that may be the kind of game some people are searching for and enjoy, and by all means play it if so. I just find it dangerous to try and normalize this kind of monetization and mainstream it for PC and console releases. I think your score of 9 is incredibly generous but respect your opinion.
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blueturtle13 said: Well they should be coded better.
Come on you know I am going to turn my nose up at anything console, we have to play our part.
Some games are made so that the flow of game play is better with controller than keyboard and mouse.
I would say the dark souls games are like this. Even though they eventually added Mouse/keyboard options I'm always getting lost in the controls. Unless I move to a controller. Then they make sense. But then I suck more.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Games like Warframe slot in really well as complements to whatever main game you're playing.
Of course, taking the gacha into consideration, that just means it's basically a generic mobile gacha game once you're done with the amazing Breath of the Wild part.
I think a big annoyance is it tricks you into thinking you'll be playing a main breath of the wild-ish game (kinda like maining Diablo 3 or POE 3 with nigh limitless gameplay each day if you feel like it), but in truth it'll end up just being a side-game at best with the usual stamina system and gacha for the hero collecting.
And, it appears for many, the trick worked. The bait got quite a few people to try and then spend (they say "Just be F2P" but the temptation is how they net some fishies and even whales!) and whale big on a game that ended up being not what they were led to believe it would be.
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With the exception of aiming with ambers bow. It takes a little to get used to, but still doable. Everything else is so much easier.
Maybe if they allow me to remap a controller later on, I'll hop back on my PC, but until then... mobile is pretty good. You can also up the graphics on mobile with next to no performance decrease, whereas the PC versions require a fairly strong PC (a 1060 6gb) to run recommended settings. So weird that it's that way. My PC can run max settings I just find it strange how mobile runs so well even on older phones.
Well, carry on then.
Anyway, this review and high rating gave me flashbacks to Bill's ridiculous Wildstar review and his defense of it's 'stylized' graphics...a game that had the worst Story, yet he would defend the PVE. I knew that game would fail within two hours of testing it.
There Is Always Hope!
That said, the game is still fantastic for what it is, and will still offer considerably more time/fun than a lot of full price games on the market. I've put more time into Genshin than I ever did with Breath of The Wild, personally because the easy breaking weapons was a giant deal breaker for me. Review scores are always subjective to the person who wrote them, so while I can certainly see how people hit the wall and burn out after 25 hours, it's not enough to not provide a high score based on what the game delivers vs what it cost. Purely as a free to play entry, there's very few titles on the market that had this much content available on day one and worked even remotely as well. Not a knock on Warframe or any other F2P, but several of those games have had to have massive content patches and redesigns in order to attract players again. In hindsight, maybe a 9 seems too high, but would you have disagreed with that score when you were enamored with it? 5-7 hours in, this game grabs you and makes you want to spend WAY more time in it than you'd like to admit, even with daily grinding.
Does the sheen wear off? Undoubtedly. You could argue the same thing with WoW or FFXIV too. Once you clear the MSQ and get a job or two to 80, FFXIV becomes the same old repetitive boring grind and you find out just how similar each class type is by learning their nuances. Will I keep playing Genshin as my main game? Nope, I'm already at a point where it feels like a struggle to try and keep up with other people I know. Do I regret the score I gave it? Nope, cause a lot of people will only dabble in this game as a side piece since it's free, and the sheen will last a lot longer for them.