I still don't understand how this game was only runner up for biggest dissappointment? What did the winner do? Throw someone's grandma down a flight of stairs?
I am sure if they had a category for biggest Scam.. this would have taken second there as well.. because Mr Walsh (Caspian) is a loser.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
$250K a year? This was a small CF MMO, not a big studio where most senior level developers earn around $100k a year. Sure Welsh Walsh is not earning what the CEO of a major studio earns, but then this is a tiny operation in comparison.
Dhleath forgot to mention there are reports he was also paying his wife and a few senior dev leads similarly "competitive" wages for their roles in SBS.
I've never seen any sort of credible source for these figures since as far as I know he's never released the information.
Could have leaked out as part of the ongoing lawsuit but can't confirm regardless but perhaps the legal team has been allowed to see the audit Jeremy speaks.
If these numbers are true you certainly can understand why he doesn't want to make them public, too many people know exactly where he lives.
i would tend to agree - his wife and one other relative at least (the company lawyer was my understanding) were also on the payroll
it is the usual bullshit of jeremey/caspian saying 'we are a very transparent company' whilst hiding stuff from us
i suspect that the auditors found everything ok because it would have been deemed reasonable to pay his wife as a consultant, or another relative as a lawyer
it could be embarrassing for him to show where $8 million dollars were spent given that his kickstarter asked for $900,000 to be able to develop something playable that would attract further outside investment
as an additional observation he shuttered the studio 8 months ago, and says he and a team of volunteers have been working hard despite all the adversity and challenges - the 8 minute video he cobbled together spouting the same old shit showed no new artwork or video footage and he for sure would have showcased that VERY prominently to try and start to rebuild trusts and interest
my take on the video was it was just enough evidence to show they are 'working hard on developing the project' to keep the lawsuits at bay
Ahh good to see you back here. Had not heard from you in a while. It seems that I shall have to forgo roaming the hills of your kingdom in a black robe while prophesizing doom and gloom.
On a more serious note, I'd suggest massive caution if he sends out "NDA" notices that he asks you to sign as they will likely contain hidden language related to suing him.
Have you looked into Adept Games yet? It appears that many are carrying on role-playing as a developer under a new name.
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as one of the biggest whales/backers of CoE ($19,600) i have tens of thousands of reasons i want to see this game succeed
that said jeremey walsh aka caspian has for me lost all credibility - he has repeatedly and intentionally lied to the community specifically about release dates of some of the 'milestone' development events confessing that it was because their internal metrics showed that they would get a spike in crowd funding from the community
when it was pointed out that, like the little boy who cried wolf too many times, that intentionally lying to and deceiving the very people who are trusting you and funding your 'position competitive' salary of just under $250,000/year isn't going to work, I was accused by caspian of trying to undermine the studio and close it down
so whilst i want the game to come out, i will not trust caspian or the team again, period
folks can come to their own conclusions
my personal conclusion is that caspian, though wanting to bring the project to fruition, will intentionally and maliciously deceive, lie and manipulate the community if that is what he perceives it will take to keep the ball rolling
hopefully he finds a way to bring the ambitious and amazing vision of a game to launch, without fecking us over again
$250K a year? This was a small CF MMO, not a big studio where most senior level developers earn around $100k a year. Sure Welsh Walsh is not earning what the CEO of a major studio earns, but then this is a tiny operation in comparison.
The team size grew and shrank as we had capital, so any averaging would need to take that into account. it would also need to take into account that some of the hires we made were executive level hires, who generally make more, industry-wide, than anyone else.
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"At the heart of the question the backers really want to know xxxxxxxxx, sadly due to legal issues......"
In other words, i wont answer anything cause ill be as dishonest as i can so this is my legal way of getting away from you.
All he is going to do IMHO is drag this out and then "release" something which is a total embarrassment and barely has basic (move around) functionality in order to protect himself from the lawsuits.
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Imagine taking 8 million dollars, delivering nothing but lies, shutting down the company and laying off all the staff then saying you're still working on the game and getting interviews like anything you say has any credibility.
The real story here is how he was able to take all these peoples money, lie like a rug, and get away with it.
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I appreciate this interview for the endless laughs it provided.
Yet if you go to the company’s Twitter account you will see some of the same people that he burned talking about how hopeful they are...
It’s frightening how gullible certain people are.
There is nothing particularly unique to gaming in that. I see news articles everyday where people continue to have blind faith in people and institutions that have screwed them over not just once but chronically.
Human beings are stupid. I can't wait for the AI apocalypse to pass stewardship of the planet to more capable beings
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Remember the days when the old MMORPG.com team would call people/groups like these out on their BS? Like they did back in the day with the original Pathfinder drama? Those were the days....
Remember the days when the old MMORPG.com team would call people/groups like these out on their BS? Like they did back in the day with the original Pathfinder drama? Those were the days....
Well... to be fair they needed prompting back then... and Bill even stepped down from writing the review of PFO if I recall... I think he didn't want to ruin his relationship with (Steve Jobs of Gaming) Ryan Dancey
I had to spend plenty of time in the Principal's office back in the PFO days... even though every single thing I said turned out to be true.
I do not expect the staff to be perfect. I just expect that they learn and grow. We were 100% right about PFO. 100% right about Greedmonger. 100% right about COE. So maybe next time around acknowledge that some credibility has been built and don't cater to the Ivory Tower folks who want to silence all criticism.
How many people are no longer with us because they were accused of "trolling" those games? Lets not be so quick on the trigger and let people speak and make rational arguments.
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Remember the days when the old MMORPG.com team would call people/groups like these out on their BS? Like they did back in the day with the original Pathfinder drama? Those were the days....
Well... to be fair they needed prompting back then... and Bill even stepped down from writing the review of PFO if I recall... I think he didn't want to ruin his relationship with (Steve Jobs of Gaming) Ryan Dancey
I had to spend plenty of time in the Principal's office back in the PFO days... even though every single thing I said turned out to be true.
I do not expect the staff to be perfect. I just expect that they learn and grow. We were 100% right about PFO. 100% right about Greedmonger. 100% right about COE. So maybe next time around acknowledge that some credibility has been built and don't cater to the Ivory Tower folks who want to silence all criticism.
How many people are no longer with us because they were accused of "trolling" those games? Lets not be so quick on the trigger and let people speak and make rational arguments.
Well in CoE Jeremy showed he learned nothing and grew not an inch, though it is far harder to say how his team fared in that regard. Just one example, he showed the same lack of understanding of PvP gamers when they chose names as he did ages later when they choose territories.
Ahh good to see you back here. Had not heard from you in a while. It seems that I shall have to forgo roaming the hills of your kingdom in a black robe while prophesizing doom and gloom.
lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
Ahh good to see you back here. Had not heard from you in a while. It seems that I shall have to forgo roaming the hills of your kingdom in a black robe while prophesizing doom and gloom.
lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
(ironically we met through CoE lol)
Saga of Lucima is following a similar path, best of luck to you.
Please, just don't get all snarky when you or the game gets criticized, stay classy unlike so many of the other indie game leads.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Ahh good to see you back here. Had not heard from you in a while. It seems that I shall have to forgo roaming the hills of your kingdom in a black robe while prophesizing doom and gloom.
lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
(ironically we met through CoE lol)
Come on Man... I'm the original Harbinger. I've been in the Rings of Una Discord and community since day 1.
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lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
(ironically we met through CoE lol)
Saga of Lucima is following a similar path, best of luck to you.
Please, just don't get all snarky when you or the game gets criticized, stay classy unlike so many of the other indie game leads.
Merry Christmas
I second this.. just.. when you get to getting something close.. don't slog in the trenches, nothing good will come of that.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Remember the days when the old MMORPG.com team would call people/groups like these out on their BS? Like they did back in the day with the original Pathfinder drama? Those were the days....
Well... to be fair they needed prompting back then... and Bill even stepped down from writing the review of PFO if I recall... I think he didn't want to ruin his relationship with (Steve Jobs of Gaming) Ryan Dancey
I had to spend plenty of time in the Principal's office back in the PFO days... even though every single thing I said turned out to be true.
I do not expect the staff to be perfect. I just expect that they learn and grow. We were 100% right about PFO. 100% right about Greedmonger. 100% right about COE. So maybe next time around acknowledge that some credibility has been built and don't cater to the Ivory Tower folks who want to silence all criticism.
How many people are no longer with us because they were accused of "trolling" those games? Lets not be so quick on the trigger and let people speak and make rational arguments.
We were 100% right about GW2 and loot boxes
wait... I was the only one being banned weekly about that
Ahh good to see you back here. Had not heard from you in a while. It seems that I shall have to forgo roaming the hills of your kingdom in a black robe while prophesizing doom and gloom.
lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
(ironically we met through CoE lol)
Saga of Lucima is following a similar path, best of luck to you.
Please, just don't get all snarky when you or the game gets criticized, stay classy unlike so many of the other indie game leads.
Merry Christmas
Hmmm no Christmas sale for SoL. That’s odd. Not a good sign imo.
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Yeah i looked at the interviews title and was like wth, that game is done for, and so is the studio.
On a more serious note, I'd suggest massive caution if he sends out "NDA" notices that he asks you to sign as they will likely contain hidden language related to suing him.
Have you looked into Adept Games yet? It appears that many are carrying on role-playing as a developer under a new name.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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In other words, i wont answer anything cause ill be as dishonest as i can so this is my legal way of getting away from you.
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"There is no COE and there never will be."
The real story here is how he was able to take all these peoples money, lie like a rug, and get away with it.
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I had to spend plenty of time in the Principal's office back in the PFO days... even though every single thing I said turned out to be true.
I do not expect the staff to be perfect. I just expect that they learn and grow. We were 100% right about PFO. 100% right about Greedmonger. 100% right about COE. So maybe next time around acknowledge that some credibility has been built and don't cater to the Ivory Tower folks who want to silence all criticism.
How many people are no longer with us because they were accused of "trolling" those games? Lets not be so quick on the trigger and let people speak and make rational arguments.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
lol - well - you might get to roam around in an MMO I am helping develop with a couple of friends, 2 of who helped code in some big name projects.
it's a low poly game and will for sure need crowd funding at some point - though we won't be seeking that until we actually have a playable alpha so that folks can see something tangible and play it rather than get geeked and hyped by a bunch of pie in the sky ideas and secondly, once they have seen and played it, can then judge if it's something that after experiencing it, want to support it to see further development, or think it's a bunch of crap and not worth throwing a single dime at
i'll give more details once we have something worth giving details about
(ironically we met through CoE lol)
Please, just don't get all snarky when you or the game gets criticized, stay classy unlike so many of the other indie game leads.
Merry Christmas
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
wait... I was the only one being banned weekly about that
Hmmm no Christmas sale for SoL. That’s odd. Not a good sign imo.