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NorseGod
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Why isn't Online Poker games added this site?
Cash Shop is gambling. Games with cash shops are listed.
They are massive in todays standards.
They are multiplayer in todays standards.
They are online.
They are games.
Does anyone have a valid reason as to why Online Poker games shouldn't be added? Don't we want the traffic and growth?
To talk about games without the censorship, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/
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Online Poker (for real money) is gambling.
They are not massive (even by todays standards)
Poker is a type of game, not a specific game.
Buying cash shop items with real money is no different.
They are massive, considering you wait in a lobby like all the new and improved MMOS until a queue pops.
It is an online game. Like Hearthstone. Both can be tabletops or online.
Feel free to petition changes to local/international law.... and get back when you have changed it.
I don't play enough online poker to dispute specifics, but how many people can be in a game? How many interact in the queue? How many compete in a total pool?
I haven't disputed that online poker is online.. only that it is a category, not a specific game. Hearthstone is a game in the CCG category.
Actually in most places the fact that you get at least back what you put in when using a cash shop... (as in if there is a random loot box that cost 99 VC you get back at leats a item worth 99 VC. That put is outside of the range of gambling.
Splitting hairs as it might be.
Poker otoh does not have such a mechanic...
Any way... Cheers
This have been a good conversation
Hmm, I might have to agree with that.
I don't see the mechanics being any different. Same as your questions about numbers. I see them as the same.
I'm not trying to argue. Just trying to find out if I'm missing something. Because as I see it, Online Poker can be defined as a MMO.
Since we can redefine every game that can be played online to be a MMO, why shouldn't it be listed here?
If you want Online Poker, why are you here? There are plenty of Poker sites, no need to have them here.
Hope that helps.
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Doesn't matter. This site is inclusive to all games that require an internet connection.
Now, someone above did point out that they don't list gambling games. So, I see now why they are not listed.
But if Online Poker games what require no real money are out there, there is no reason not to add them to this site since technically, they can be defined as a MMO.
Remember, we are told on a daily basis that the meaning of MMO is subjective. Well, then I want non-gambling Online Poker games listed here.
Ok, I have to agree with that.
I remember playing in one online tournament (pre-black friday, of course) that had over 60,000 players in it. So that was certainly massive. But you must know that online poker has been killed off in the U.S.?
In my state if I play online for $1 I could be subject to a felony conviction, and spend up to ten years in prison. But if I go to a local casino, where the minimum buy-in requires perhaps $500, and I'm almost guaranteed to lose because of the rake, taxes, tips, etc.. - that's all perfectly legal. And in fact, outright encouraged. The blatant government corruption behind this all is simply mind boggling. Anyway - after what, maybe 4 years now since black friday, I'm still fuming...
But should mmorpg.com cover online poker? No, I don't think so lol. Go to the twoplustwo forums for that.
Cash shops involve getting something for your money. While you may not always get what you wanted, you get something in return for your investment.
Gambling involves wagering your funds that a certain outcome or set of outcomes will occur with a chance that you will receive nothing for your funds.
MMOs are walking a fine line and I'd imagine that a smaller dev without a big legal team will step in it in the next couple of years and get taken to court for violation of (the perception) of the wire law.
That's like saying "Fantasy Game" is an MMO or "Team-based squad shooter" is an MMO.
I'm going to release Notepad Online next week. Can I get it listed here? It isn't even a game. You just type in the same notepad document.
except you don't get anything....anything digital with in a game remains the property of the parent game company. for most games your statement is also false.....usually you don't even get the "equivalent value" with the random boxes. those random boxes in game are designed to prey on people with addictive tendency all the while avoided gambling laws because no physical money is actually being won. i think the OP has a point when you use the very broad definition of an mmo.
make you wonder too if people are using cheap mobile apps to move illegal funds.
Because while playing online poker from the U.S. is not illegal per se, endorsing, hosting or aiding an online poker site from a website hosted in the U.S IS considered ILLEGAL according to the aiding and abetting standards set forth in the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act passed in 2006.
Which would make your recommendation in this thread a strict violation of this sites policy.
Ah, I see. You guys are talking mainly about the "chest" type thing going on in online stores. I'm a little out of touch these days. I've seen those in one game I played (Uncharted Waters Online), but I guess they have now spread. My thinking on it then was, "I'm not going to touch this bullshit with a ten foot pole". I may love poker, but I never blindly gamble. Because that's not gaming, it's just stupidity.
Note - UWO is an otherwise good MMORPG. I'd recommend it. And I got by just fine without buying any chests.
This is not an injustice by any measure as poker is well represented by the two plus two forums. I can see why MMORPG.com would tend to shy away from gambling sites but I wonder if that would change is MMORCE's ever got more popular.
Also I am reminded of the poker rooms that are in action where EVE Online players play for ISK (not to mention that game's endless lotteries). If a sandbox MMO were to allow players to run in game casinos, would MMORPG.com refuse them a forum?
Thanks for entertaining my random thoughts on the subject. The lines between MMO and Online Casino are not always clearly drawn IMO.
I am sure many know of Daniel Negreannu now with GG poker,well that operates out of the Carribbean.
GG POker Malaysia lol
GGPoker Australia,do a little research on Aussie corruption within the government,it would blow your mind,basically run by China mafia.
Point being there can be NO GOOD from having anything to do with poker sites.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.