Your first mistake is thinking that there is much of any market for hardcore PVP MMOs in the first place.
And yet.. some Battle Royal game like Fortnight had a 125 million players at it's peak, and still boasts around 80 million active players.
Apples and oranges lol. Drop in FPS PVP games are totally different games from full loot pvp mmos. I actually think it is pretty funny that you tried to compare Fortnite to a full loot PVP MMO. Like, that is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in some time.
You know what's funny.
PvP games have a HUGE fucking following. Like, I think the biggest following in gaming as a whole comes from PvP games.
So.. What do you think it is about the MMO part of these PvP games that make them suddenly suck such big fat hairy balls?
They are full loot dumb dumb. Only a small % of people who like PVP games actually like full loot pvp games. Again, trying to compare FPS PvP lobby games to a sandbox full loot pvp MMO is just silly. They are completely different games.
Edit: Trying to compare Fortnite's full loot PVP to a game like Albion Online is silly as well. Completely different beasts.
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Your first mistake is thinking that there is much of any market for hardcore PVP MMOs in the first place.
And yet.. some Battle Royal game like Fortnight had a 125 million players at it's peak, and still boasts around 80 million active players.
Apples and oranges lol. Drop in FPS PVP games are totally different games from full loot pvp mmos. I actually think it is pretty funny that you tried to compare Fortnite to a full loot PVP MMO. Like, that is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in some time.
You know what's funny.
PvP games have a HUGE fucking following. Like, I think the biggest following in gaming as a whole comes from PvP games.
So.. What do you think it is about the MMO part of these PvP games that make them suddenly suck such big fat hairy balls?
They are full loot dumb dumb. Only a small % of people who like PVP games actually like full loot pvp games. Again, trying to compare FPS PvP lobby games to a sandbox full loot pvp MMO is just silly. They are completely different games.
Edit: Trying to compare Fortnite's full loot PVP to a game like Albion Online is silly as well. Completely different beasts.
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
So what makes something "Hardcore" then?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
So what makes something "Hardcore" then?
Permadeath of a character you've spent 400 hours improving and every item equipped or in the inventory you grinded countless hours for.
No need to even PvP. That's how the Diablo 3 HC mode works.
But it sure isn't a non persistent character used only in 25 minute matches where even if you win you lose all the loot because it doesn't carry from match to match. There is no improving your character either - it's just the same basic character like everyone else's starting over from scratch for every 25 minute BG.
Cosmetic skins are the only persistent thing and you never lose those.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
So what makes something "Hardcore" then?
Permadeath of a character you've spent 400 hours improving and every item equipped or in the inventory you grinded countless hours for.
No need to even PvP. That's how the Diablo 3 HC mode works.
But it sure isn't a non persistent character used only in 25 minute matches where even if you win you lose all the loot because it doesn't carry from match to match. There is no improving your character either - it's just the same basic character like everyone else's starting over from scratch for every 25 minute BG.
Cosmetic skins are the only persistent thing and you never lose those.
Truth be told, this does not build hardcore players, it builds ultra care bears, people that will take zero risk at all, no thrills, no risks, no challenges, all safe, cautious, grinding up power.
I know this directly, because DDO runs a "hardcore" server, Same Exact game as Live, but, it's perma-death. I don't think anyone has lasted 400 hours, and overall, the people that have made it to cap or maxed out their ranking, are very cautious players, like Zero Risk takers.
They build directly for survival and slow grind their gameplay.
Honestly, I spent quite a bit of time playing the Hardcore Server in DDO, it's both annoying and boring as all fuck.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
People are comparing New World to Crowfall, which are two totally different style of games, yet I don't see you losing your shit about that.
So.. again.. what do you think it is about the whole MMO part of a PvP game, that makes it less attractive then a straight up PvP.
Usually the PVP in MMORPGS isn't "fair" but rather more of a war with no quarter asked or given and the stakes are higher.
PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
So what makes something "Hardcore" then?
Permadeath of a character you've spent 400 hours improving and every item equipped or in the inventory you grinded countless hours for.
No need to even PvP. That's how the Diablo 3 HC mode works.
But it sure isn't a non persistent character used only in 25 minute matches where even if you win you lose all the loot because it doesn't carry from match to match. There is no improving your character either - it's just the same basic character like everyone else's starting over from scratch for every 25 minute BG.
Cosmetic skins are the only persistent thing and you never lose those.
Truth be told, this does not build hardcore players, it builds ultra care bears, people that will take zero risk at all, no thrills, no risks, no challenges, all safe, cautious, grinding up power.
I know this directly, because DDO runs a "hardcore" server, Same Exact game as Live, but, it's perma-death. I don't think anyone has lasted 400 hours, and overall, the people that have made it to cap or maxed out their ranking, are very cautious players, like Zero Risk takers.
They build directly for survival and slow grind their gameplay.
Honestly, I spent quite a bit of time playing the Hardcore Server in DDO, it's both annoying and boring as all fuck.
You could play it safe but the whole purpose of D3 is to increase the difficulty. There is no point in playing it unless you do that.
It has 150 difficulty levels. Pushing beyond 100 is no cakewalk. Every season I have HC deaths in the GR 100+ range.
So maybe you've played HC DDO carefully but that's not the way I play D3 HC. I push until I die and whenever I die the best gear which naturally I have equipped for high GR pushing goes with it.
At any rate... neither D3 nor Fortnite have anything whatsoever to do with whether MMO gamers enjoy full loot PvP in MMOs. That has always been a small fraction of what is already a small fraction of gamers - players who play MMOs in the first place.
There's even a good recent video about that:
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I like how the streamer had MMORPG.com forums scrolling in the background, recognized the banned user picture, but not the individual who was displayed. (FBSDK or something like that)
But...that minute or two Honey promo at the front will keep me from ever watching another of his videos.
He did do a good job putting into perspective how truly niche the MMORPG genre is compared to the greater gaming landscape.
Also a bit sobering to comprehend just how many of hundreds of millions of people play games I would never consider.
Reason #456 of why humankind deserves to be wiped out by an apocalypse.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
You're missing the most obvious difference: in Fortnite you play a character with a total lifespan of 1 - 25 minutes and the "full loot" you drop on death is just the stuff you found in the battleground in that 1-25 minutes.
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
So what makes something "Hardcore" then?
Permadeath of a character you've spent 400 hours improving and every item equipped or in the inventory you grinded countless hours for.
No need to even PvP. That's how the Diablo 3 HC mode works.
But it sure isn't a non persistent character used only in 25 minute matches where even if you win you lose all the loot because it doesn't carry from match to match. There is no improving your character either - it's just the same basic character like everyone else's starting over from scratch for every 25 minute BG.
Cosmetic skins are the only persistent thing and you never lose those.
Truth be told, this does not build hardcore players, it builds ultra care bears, people that will take zero risk at all, no thrills, no risks, no challenges, all safe, cautious, grinding up power.
I know this directly, because DDO runs a "hardcore" server, Same Exact game as Live, but, it's perma-death. I don't think anyone has lasted 400 hours, and overall, the people that have made it to cap or maxed out their ranking, are very cautious players, like Zero Risk takers.
They build directly for survival and slow grind their gameplay.
Honestly, I spent quite a bit of time playing the Hardcore Server in DDO, it's both annoying and boring as all fuck.
You could play it safe but the whole purpose of D3 is to increase the difficulty. There is no point in playing it unless you do that.
It has 150 difficulty levels. Pushing beyond 100 is no cakewalk. Every season I have HC deaths in the GR 100+ range.
So maybe you've played HC DDO carefully but that's not the way I play D3 HC. I push until I die and whenever I die the best gear which naturally I have equipped for high GR pushing goes with it.
Maybe that is the way you play, but, when one wrong move ends the whole thing and I need to start all over again, after a few dozen times starting over, it sets in "Maybe I shouldn't be a reckless ass about this"
But I am sure your system works for you.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
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PVP in Fortnite is more like a team sport, where everyone is fairly equal and not much is in the line.
Most people prefer to play team sports than fight wars....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's as casual a shooter as shooters get which is why it became a megahit - it's PvP for the masses with not one damn thing "hardcore" about it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
No need to even PvP. That's how the Diablo 3 HC mode works.
But it sure isn't a non persistent character used only in 25 minute matches where even if you win you lose all the loot because it doesn't carry from match to match. There is no improving your character either - it's just the same basic character like everyone else's starting over from scratch for every 25 minute BG.
Cosmetic skins are the only persistent thing and you never lose those.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I know this directly, because DDO runs a "hardcore" server, Same Exact game as Live, but, it's perma-death. I don't think anyone has lasted 400 hours, and overall, the people that have made it to cap or maxed out their ranking, are very cautious players, like Zero Risk takers.
They build directly for survival and slow grind their gameplay.
Honestly, I spent quite a bit of time playing the Hardcore Server in DDO, it's both annoying and boring as all fuck.
It has 150 difficulty levels. Pushing beyond 100 is no cakewalk. Every season I have HC deaths in the GR 100+ range.
So maybe you've played HC DDO carefully but that's not the way I play D3 HC. I push until I die and whenever I die the best gear which naturally I have equipped for high GR pushing goes with it.
At any rate... neither D3 nor Fortnite have anything whatsoever to do with whether MMO gamers enjoy full loot PvP in MMOs. That has always been a small fraction of what is already a small fraction of gamers - players who play MMOs in the first place.
There's even a good recent video about that:
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
But...that minute or two Honey promo at the front will keep me from ever watching another of his videos.
He did do a good job putting into perspective how truly niche the MMORPG genre is compared to the greater gaming landscape.
Also a bit sobering to comprehend just how many of hundreds of millions of people play games I would never consider.
Reason #456 of why humankind deserves to be wiped out by an apocalypse.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
But I am sure your system works for you.