And people will line up to pay Top Dollar for a twenty year old game with a fresh coat of paint and online-only drm restrictions.
Well, video games aren't made out of dairy so they don't spoil.
I would say more old games should be remastered to keep them current. I'd pay fair price for a real update of masters of Orion II and especially Andromeda.
I would add Morrowind to the mixture but we'll see how well the mod project is if they finish it.
A reskin isn't worth top dollar.
You mean the minuscule 39.99?
The game itself is still worth whatever its design is worth. Putting in work to redo textures, animations, keeps it fresh and a viable option for contemporary audiences.
I remember watching a friend play this and marveled, at the time, how realistic the metal looked.
about a year ago a reinstalled and while it did have a retro charm, the low rez almost pixelated look to things was very distracting.
So this updated version is certainly worth it to me.
edit: seeing your former post indicating that "not everyone lives in America" (or better said, a first world country) obviously that's true so one's mileage may vary as to what one is willing to pay for such things.
If one doesn't value the visual upgrade as well as some quality of life upgrades then of course they aren't going to pay the price if it's the difference between "video game or eating."
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I is amazing how Blizzard can charge 60-80+ for something like this.
It's $40 base. more if you want D3 stuff as well.
At least try not to make up stuff to make a point.
$40 dollar base????? That depends where you live, So YOU should stop making stuff up to make a point........... Not everybody lives in America.
He didn't make anything up. It is 40 dollar base. Americans use dollars so use your brain. Don't you think he would have said a different currency if he wasn't American?....
Went back to D2 last year - but it didn't age well. The skill system is really outdated: Picking "bad ones" to get what you want.
That's my problem with it as well and why I'm on the fence. The looks of D2 have not aged well and everyone is focused on the superb new reskin but that's not the only old thing about D2.
It inspired a host of ARPGs that have improved tremendously on the D2 game play, not just its look. I play those and frankly I can't see the old D2 game play engaging me more than the others do.
It's got two things going for it IMO, the new graphics and the huge hype that will guarantee millions will buy it and play. I like the first of those but being part of the social media "happening" game of fall 2021 is not something that attracts me.
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― Umberto Eco
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Although I would love to play this game, after Acti/Blizz lawsuit, I really don't want to give them any money until they show some motion in the right direction.
It's fine to feel that way but you also have to remember this, boycotts will only hurt the employees, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything.
People want ActiBlizz to crash and burn, that is equivalent to saying you want 10,000 people jobless.
If you want to play a game, it looks good, buy it, support it. It reflects on those developers, it will follow them.
Don't let it get in the way of your enjoyment, you're not any less responsible for enjoying a game folk like you developed.
I don't think I agree with that perspective. If this was a small indie studio, you are spot on, but in case of an Acti/Bliz giant the profits do very little in terms of supporting the developers who actually did the work.
Taking position of you are hurting employees also means that we have to support anything that company does because if we don't people get fired. The only way we as customers can influence company's policies is to vote with our wallets, and if we disagree with their workplace practices, the only way I can show my disagreement (in an actual effective way) is to not buy the product.
If we follow the logic of "think about employees" we can never criticize any commercial entity.
The one good piece of news came from the reddit CM from Blizzard who stated they are allowing ladder only rune words to work offline. If they do that and allow Dclones and ubers in single player offline then they have what I use from the PlugY mod other than unlimited stash. I'd say plugY functionality for offline play would be enough for me to buy the game.
Although I would love to play this game, after Acti/Blizz lawsuit, I really don't want to give them any money until they show some motion in the right direction.
It's fine to feel that way but you also have to remember this, boycotts will only hurt the employees, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything.
People want ActiBlizz to crash and burn, that is equivalent to saying you want 10,000 people jobless.
If you want to play a game, it looks good, buy it, support it. It reflects on those developers, it will follow them.
Don't let it get in the way of your enjoyment, you're not any less responsible for enjoying a game folk like you developed.
I don't think I agree with that perspective. If this was a small indie studio, you are spot on, but in case of an Acti/Bliz giant the profits do very little in terms of supporting the developers who actually did the work.
Taking position of you are hurting employees also means that we have to support anything that company does because if we don't people get fired. The only way we as customers can influence company's policies is to vote with our wallets, and if we disagree with their workplace practices, the only way I can show my disagreement (in an actual effective way) is to not buy the product.
If we follow the logic of "think about employees" we can never criticize any commercial entity.
Technically you are both right.
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
However, if players people don't vote with their wallets then companies won't get the message ...
BUT ...
What happens is that customers who don't spend on their products become a sort of "non-factor" and then larger companies just try to understand their net promoter score and turn the Neutrals into buyers.
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If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
I will instead not forget that such has happened many times over with other large companies and they continued to do well regardless of expressed distress.
If one were to boycott every company that had done something of the like there would be few options left to spend money on.
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
Didn't they lay off staff they weren't using anymore?
Sounds harsh but I think they discontinued something and those departments became redundant.
In any case, it sounds like "WIN/WIN" in the Blizzrard/Activistion household
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If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
Didn't they lay off staff they weren't using anymore?
IDK did they really? That was the PR spin. You can choose to believe it or not.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
I will instead not forget that such has happened many times over with other large companies and they continued to do well regardless of expressed distress.
If one were to boycott every company that had done something of the like there would be few options left to spend money on.
This alone is scant reason to do so.
Huh? You have me confused with someone talking about boycotts.
My point is simply that you can't go around saying bad year = lay-offs, good year = no lay-offs. That's not the way high tech sweatshops work. They want your loyalty and give none of theirs back.
Boycott or not is a whole different story and I'm not a boycotter. However I do reserve the right to call corporate scum the exploitative scumbags they are.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
Didn't they lay off staff they weren't using anymore?
Sounds harsh but I think they discontinued something and those departments became redundant.
In any case, it sounds like "WIN/WIN" in the Blizzrard/Activistion household
They cut a lot of QA and folded roles into other ones, so people were working more and getting paid the same. I think the French division was shut down because they wanted to handle that region in house. Another thing some people might forget is that Activision-Blizzard was very notorious for over-hiring before the pandemic, so massive lay-offs in the beginning just ended up being as you eluded to, "un-used staff." Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, companies have learned they can operate at almost the same capacity with less staff.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
And people will line up to pay Top Dollar for a twenty year old game with a fresh coat of paint and online-only drm restrictions.
Still beats Diablo 3.
and that's the problem....Too many of the big companies are just rehashing stuff they made 20 years ago...They aren't giving us fresh new games with new ideas.
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
Didn't they lay off staff they weren't using anymore?
IDK did they really? That was the PR spin. You can choose to believe it or not.
I won't do business with companies that hold a very different view of what is right or wrong. That said, a handful of people accused of being "bros" towards a handful of other people 10 years ago isn't enough to make me think the company as a whole holds a very different view of right and wrong today.
Now, if Acti/Blizz as a company was "found guilty" of whatever it is they are accused of and continued to have same abusive company wide attitude despite this, I would begin to question doing business with them.
As it stands, some people are accused of something that no one here knows how true the accusations are or even to what level of truth there is with the accusations. It was a decade ago and I think most of those people are gone now.
Everything else is just a big corp doing what big corps do which is treating the low level employees like numbers. A boycot isn't going to fix a century of business as usual.
Is it 9AM PST yet? And WTF is the only 3 days for closed beta crap. Let us play all week through the end of the open beta weekend.
If a large company like Activision/Blizzard loses money they aren't going to make their forcasted profits and laying people off is an option.
Hey let's not forget that this is the company that showed record profits 2 years in a row, gave their CEO obscene bonuses and did very significant lay-offs both of those years.
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
Didn't they lay off staff they weren't using anymore?
IDK did they really? That was the PR spin. You can choose to believe it or not.
I won't do business with companies that hold a very different view of what is right or wrong. That said, a handful of people accused of being "bros" towards a handful of other people 10 years ago isn't enough to make me think the company as a whole holds a very different view of right and wrong today.
Now, if Acti/Blizz as a company was "found guilty" of whatever it is they are accused of and continued to have same abusive company wide attitude despite this, I would begin to question doing business with them.
As it stands, some people are accused of something that no one here knows how true the accusations are or even to what level of truth there is with the accusations. It was a decade ago and I think most of those people are gone now.
Everything else is just a big corp doing what big corps do which is treating the low level employees like numbers. A boycot isn't going to fix a century of business as usual.
Is it 9AM PST yet? And WTF is the only 3 days for closed beta crap. Let us play all week through the end of the open beta weekend.
I was trying not getting into the obvious issues around Blizz these days but it's not "a handful of people accused of being 'bros'."
In case you didn't know a employee commited suicide on a business trip due harassment. They had a suit called 'Cosby suit' where they hand a portrait of him, worshipping a rapist.
So... Please, be reasonable.
I don't think it should impact the work the third party company did on the remaster and this game is as much Blizzard as it's mine.
Which makes me think if any game they own now besides Overwatch and Heartstone can be called theirs.
I mean, every single one was made by a separated company/group and was bought during the development. And none of them work there anymore.
I think when people say "Blizzard is not what it was" they forget the Blizzard they love is not the logo on the cover. The Blizzard they love are the third party companies and developers who love their job and were in time tossed aside.
I don't think the issue is ever people having a civil conversation. I think it's when people can't have a civil conversation. I'm not invested enough in my opinion to actually fight over someone who is. The truth is, I don't know much about this whole thing and you seem perfectly capable of having an intelligent conversation.
I do know that what people do in a hotel room is none of my business, as disgusting as it was. Now, if that bled into the workplace and made it hostile environment for a group of employees then those people should be dealt with and the people who suffered should be heard.
I also know that me acting out in solidarity now, so far after the fact, will have no effect on the people who may be guilty of what they are accused of.
I also know that it makes no sense to have such a large gap between the closed beta and open beta and release date. Don't these people know I have nothing better to do right now?
And am I the only one that didn't hate Diablo III? It isn't Diablo II but I thought it was decent enough.
And am I the only one that didn't hate Diablo III? It isn't Diablo II but I thought it was decent enough.
Nope. You're not the only one and thousands still play it today, myself included.
IMO it was a mess at release with the RMT auction house and extreme rarity of good loot for that purpose but they more than redeemed themselves when they got rid of it and released the Reaper of Souls expansion that created the post level 70 end game loop which is what we play today.
It can be knocked for being simplistic compared to other ARPGs but to me games like PoE went way too far in the other direction.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
And am I the only one that didn't hate Diablo III? It isn't Diablo II but I thought it was decent enough.
Nope. You're not the only one and thousands still play it today, myself included.
IMO it was a mess at release with the RMT auction house and extreme rarity of good loot for that purpose but they more than redeemed themselves when they got rid of it and released the Reaper of Souls expansion that created the post level 70 end game loop which is what we play today.
It can be knocked for being simplistic compared to other ARPGs but to me games like PoE went way too far in the other direction.
I play it every league to get the free cosmetics. It's hands down my favorite combat in any ARPG, well at least in regards to the Demon Hunter. It's just so shallow. I wish they enabled offline mode and mod support after abandoning the second expansion. The game needs a completely revamped end game as well as itemization and that's what modders could have done.
And am I the only one that didn't hate Diablo III? It isn't Diablo II but I thought it was decent enough.
Nope. You're not the only one and thousands still play it today, myself included.
IMO it was a mess at release with the RMT auction house and extreme rarity of good loot for that purpose but they more than redeemed themselves when they got rid of it and released the Reaper of Souls expansion that created the post level 70 end game loop which is what we play today.
It can be knocked for being simplistic compared to other ARPGs but to me games like PoE went way too far in the other direction.
I play it every league to get the free cosmetics. It's hands down my favorite combat in any ARPG, well at least in regards to the Demon Hunter. It's just so shallow. I wish they enabled offline mode and mod support after abandoning the second expansion. The game needs a completely revamped end game as well as itemization and that's what modders could have done.
I'm class agnostic. I play them all although for HC it's usually Wizard because I know that class best.
It is definitely simplistic but I'm OK with that. It's my beer and pretzels ARPG.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
He didn't make anything up. It is 40 dollar base. Americans use dollars so use your brain. Don't you think he would have said a different currency if he wasn't American?....
Is this a good thing or a sad thing? Good for me I suppose.
It inspired a host of ARPGs that have improved tremendously on the D2 game play, not just its look. I play those and frankly I can't see the old D2 game play engaging me more than the others do.
It's got two things going for it IMO, the new graphics and the huge hype that will guarantee millions will buy it and play. I like the first of those but being part of the social media "happening" game of fall 2021 is not something that attracts me.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Taking position of you are hurting employees also means that we have to support anything that company does because if we don't people get fired. The only way we as customers can influence company's policies is to vote with our wallets, and if we disagree with their workplace practices, the only way I can show my disagreement (in an actual effective way) is to not buy the product.
If we follow the logic of "think about employees" we can never criticize any commercial entity.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
For Acti/Blizz great performance also means lay-offs.
Rational workforce management with lay-offs based on poor performance just isn't their MO.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I will instead not forget that such has happened many times over with other large companies and they continued to do well regardless of expressed distress.
If one were to boycott every company that had done something of the like there would be few options left to spend money on.
This alone is scant reason to do so.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
My point is simply that you can't go around saying bad year = lay-offs, good year = no lay-offs. That's not the way high tech sweatshops work. They want your loyalty and give none of theirs back.
Boycott or not is a whole different story and I'm not a boycotter. However I do reserve the right to call corporate scum the exploitative scumbags they are.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
They cut a lot of QA and folded roles into other ones, so people were working more and getting paid the same. I think the French division was shut down because they wanted to handle that region in house. Another thing some people might forget is that Activision-Blizzard was very notorious for over-hiring before the pandemic, so massive lay-offs in the beginning just ended up being as you eluded to, "un-used staff." Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, companies have learned they can operate at almost the same capacity with less staff.
They say they wont change anything from Original,
but in D2 Sorc was 18 Years old and Amazon mid twentys.
Yup I will
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
and that's the problem....Too many of the big companies are just rehashing stuff they made 20 years ago...They aren't giving us fresh new games with new ideas.
Now, if Acti/Blizz as a company was "found guilty" of whatever it is they are accused of and continued to have same abusive company wide attitude despite this, I would begin to question doing business with them.
As it stands, some people are accused of something that no one here knows how true the accusations are or even to what level of truth there is with the accusations. It was a decade ago and I think most of those people are gone now.
Everything else is just a big corp doing what big corps do which is treating the low level employees like numbers. A boycot isn't going to fix a century of business as usual.
Is it 9AM PST yet? And WTF is the only 3 days for closed beta crap. Let us play all week through the end of the open beta weekend.
I do know that what people do in a hotel room is none of my business, as disgusting as it was. Now, if that bled into the workplace and made it hostile environment for a group of employees then those people should be dealt with and the people who suffered should be heard.
I also know that me acting out in solidarity now, so far after the fact, will have no effect on the people who may be guilty of what they are accused of.
I also know that it makes no sense to have such a large gap between the closed beta and open beta and release date. Don't these people know I have nothing better to do right now?
And am I the only one that didn't hate Diablo III? It isn't Diablo II but I thought it was decent enough.
IMO it was a mess at release with the RMT auction house and extreme rarity of good loot for that purpose but they more than redeemed themselves when they got rid of it and released the Reaper of Souls expansion that created the post level 70 end game loop which is what we play today.
It can be knocked for being simplistic compared to other ARPGs but to me games like PoE went way too far in the other direction.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It is definitely simplistic but I'm OK with that. It's my beer and pretzels ARPG.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED