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I really feel this is a relevant thing to share, so, take a look: 
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. What do you think? I mean, I get it, the change hasn't been kind, but...would it be better without it? Team Tzeentch or Team Nurgle?
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The biggest change is not about Wow but about Blizzard,they jumped on the monetization bandwagon big time.
As for Wow,i was already playing rpg's and had a good idea what i wanted from them,Wow did not deliver that so i never cared about the game.IMO Blizzard made a rpg that was watered down to cater to all the kids,a connect the dots game with tons of hand holding markers and quests.
Blizzarrd even removed the community building idea of grouping by creating automated group dungeon finders.So all people did was cue up and RUN and i mean RUN through these just to get loot.
IMO 99% of Wow gamers do NOT play for the GAME,the WORLD,they play for loot/rewards.
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I hated that system. It took time and a fair bit of effort and conversing. Sure it was more personal, or at the very least more social. But I wanted to play my game, not sit around waiting for a response or looking for those additional people to show up in chat.
I like the current system now. Sure, the monetization is lame. Cool-looking mounts locked behind a cash shop, but at the same time, it hasn't affected my gameplay. I can still get rare stuff from doing hard content. The biggest and most obvious problem is Act-Bli's time-gating nonsense and learning curve/difficulty curve pointing almost directly down.
I honestly don't understand why Act-Bli having a cash shop is such a problem for some people. The boosting, okay I can see why that may be a problem. It makes the world more empty during the leveling journey. Everything else? It literally doesn't affect you.
Am I off-base here? Is there something I'm missing?
I kept logging in everyday to spam chat for a group to grind with. This usually took hours since I played dps. Then it struck me. I'm paying a monthly fee to be unable to do anything if I don't get a party.
So, I stopped playing it and moved on.
Do players really want to go back to waiting an hour for groups that then die to the smallest mistake, and all disband because people get mad?
Or sitting around a small camp waiting on mana or whatever, or a mob to spawn?
No...the dev's follow what the mob demands. They are quite content to sell the mob pretty mounts, or max level upgrades to skip content.
Guess what....you, the players, are the mob....you got what was demanded. Maybe not YOU in particular....but remember that old trope...look to your left...now look to your right....THOSE are the mob. They have just as much, maybe even more, cash to spend...so we get what they demand...HAPPY gaming, right?
So who is to blame again?
This is how WoW's LFG tool works as well. The Dungeon Finder/LFR tool is only used for a very small percentage of content while normal/heroic/mythic raids, world bosses, mythic dungeons, achievements, transmog and mount runs, holiday events etc are all done using a system you described.
I just needed one thing to remind me:
Shared credit and XP for mob kills is infinitely superior to "first hit tags it all to yourself." Like seriously? In a multiplayer game? And no, it's not better if you group. That just turns it into a group v. group mob tagging competition instead of a player v. player one in the thousands of spots in the game where the specific mobs spawn required for the "kill 15 ___" quest. Add spawn rates that don't adjust to account for player density in the vicinity and you have a perfect recipe for an annoying time waster.
Just one example of the crap mechanics we lived with back in the "glory days" that I'm not about to nostalgically glorify.
What we need is improvement on what we currently have just like improvements were made to what was there before.
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It wouldn't what? Also, singleplayers are the best! Especially when they're mostly offline too.
In an MMORPG you are part of a world full of other players. People who can spend more (or anything) in a CS get things instantly that you have to spend time to get, which can be time consuming. Many items can only be had through the CS, I believe.
That's unfair, and it does affect a player in an MMORPG, where it's not relevant in a SP game because you're not in the same world together with other players.
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You view the mob tagging as bad, they see it as just being competitive, he who hits the firstest gets the mostest.
Preference is a funny thing, what you or I don't care for other people have no issue with it, weird.
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Anyway, that's not unique to WOW classic. Competitive tagging was a feature in all the older MMOs and even post-WOW in LOTRO, SWTOR, etc., for...reasons. It never made sense to me and always annoyed me especially when playing a class that didn't have a good instant skill.
In PvE games or areas of games, you're supposed to be selling the fiction that it's we, the players, against some evil shit. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to me that the mechanics reinforce that since you're supposed to be all together against the evil hordes. It should always be a good thing if someone drops by your area and helps you kill what you're trying to kill instead of disliking it because you know they're going to slow yo down. Competing for mobs in those PvE situations doesn't make any sense.
Some older MMOs may have had cooperative tagging but I don't recall seeing that until I played GW2 and it has become the norm in PvE games since that. It's a damn good change I think.
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Online gaming has never been fair. When it wasn't money providing advantage it was comparatively abundant free time. They will never be fair so grousing over who currently has the advantage and how isn't going to change that, making it pointless.
The best one can do when they can't avoid a cash shop altogether is find a game they enjoy that has one the least unfair for what they want to do.
That or the poster just got triggered by something and said something better left unsaid. Happens to all of us.
But when you compare a game design where the difference in "fairness" is because of a Player's available time vs. a game company's built in rewards for CASH, well, I hope you can see the difference there.
I don't agree that that's the best option in avoiding Cash Shops.
The best option is to simply not play any of them.
That's been easy for me, since I already don't play any of them (as you know) because of the rest of the game design.
It's a double whammy of bad gaming design. (Actually more than that.)
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