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Epic CEO Says Apple Has Blacklisted Fortnite for Years to Come | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited September 2021 in News & Features Discussion

imageEpic CEO Says Apple Has Blacklisted Fortnite for Years to Come | MMORPG.com

Despite a recent judge's ruling, Epic Games' request to reinstate Fortnite to the Apple App Store was denied, and Apple may keep it gone for years.

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    Oh well. Maybe Tim should make his own phone and OS.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Tough shit Tim. Suck it up.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 
    Tuor7ZenJellyLaughing-man
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    Iselin said:
    Tough shit Tim. Suck it up.

    I really think he's right up there with Elon Musk as far as elitist projection. These guys are rich, yet somehow they try to gaslight everyone into thinking they are also somehow just another victim of this oppressive system and attempt to prove it by squaring up to the "system" they are full participants in.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Yes, and Epic earned that blacklist.

    ChildoftheShadows said:
    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 
    It isn't a monopoly by definition. Regardless, a "true free market" doesn't encourage willful breaking of contracts.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Tiller said:
    Iselin said:
    Tough shit Tim. Suck it up.

    I really think he's right up there with Elon Musk as far as elitist projection. These guys are rich, yet somehow they try to gaslight everyone into thinking they are also somehow just another victim of this oppressive system and attempt to prove it by squaring up to the "system" they are full participants in.
    Exactly. And some here fall for the gaslighting and act like there's a good guy in this fight lol.
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  • AbimorAbimor Member RarePosts: 915
    I think both companies are garbage. That being said if apple does not want something on the platform they built that's their business it would be a little different if google and apple were conspiring together to keep fortnight off to teach epic a lesson that would be too far.   
    Kyleran
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449

    Abimor said:

    I think both companies are garbage. That being said if apple does not want something on the platform they built that's their business it would be a little different if google and apple were conspiring together to keep fortnight off to teach epic a lesson that would be too far.   



    Battle of the Tims....who will win? The Tims of course. Who loses? Consumers.
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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,347

    ChildoftheShadows said:

    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 



    Nope. In a true free market there would be nothing but monopolies because a TFM is all about the $$$ and the one who has the most will crush anyone trying to compete. The TFM hates competition because it cuts into their profits.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    Alverant said:

    ChildoftheShadows said:

    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 



    Nope. In a true free market there would be nothing but monopolies because a TFM is all about the $$$ and the one who has the most will crush anyone trying to compete. The TFM hates competition because it cuts into their profits.
    They only crush them using the laws created to allow it. 
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited September 2021
    Build from the ground up on Etherium, Polygon or a gaming chain like Flow. Cut out apple and payment processors, gain more than 30% of profits back. Deplatforming is one of the biggest reason to develop using blockchain tech.

    I'm sure they know this. I'm sure they have something in the works.

    edit- here's a what if article from 3 days ago and another from tim talking about it from july.

    https://dailycoin.com/what-if-fortnite-were-on-blockchain-and-had-crypto/

    https://www.coininsider.com/fortnite-ceo-sees-potential-in-blockchain-assets-in-the-future/

    no brainer
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  • GlacianNexGlacianNex Member UncommonPosts: 653

    bcbully said:

    Build from the ground up on Etherium, Polygon or a gaming chain like Flow. Cut out apple and payment processors, gain more than 30% of profits back. Deplatforming is one of the biggest reason to develop using blockchain tech.

    I'm sure they know this. I'm sure they have something in the works.

    edit- here's a what if article from 3 days ago and another from tim talking about it from july.

    https://dailycoin.com/what-if-fortnite-were-on-blockchain-and-had-crypto/

    https://www.coininsider.com/fortnite-ceo-sees-potential-in-blockchain-assets-in-the-future/

    no brainer



    You are still dead in the water if Apple/Google refuses to list you in their app store. Considering you have to submit your app for review, they can see exactly what you are doing, and well simply refuse if they don't get their cut, one way or another.
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    edited September 2021
    bcbully said:
    Build from the ground up on Etherium, Polygon or a gaming chain like Flow. Cut out apple and payment processors, gain more than 30% of profits back. Deplatforming is one of the biggest reason to develop using blockchain tech.

    I'm sure they know this. I'm sure they have something in the works.

    edit- here's a what if article from 3 days ago and another from tim talking about it from july.

    https://dailycoin.com/what-if-fortnite-were-on-blockchain-and-had-crypto/

    https://www.coininsider.com/fortnite-ceo-sees-potential-in-blockchain-assets-in-the-future/

    no brainer

    The answer to everything is not blockchain.

    "Toilet Paper shortage?, lets use block chain."

    "Climate change, blockchain will fix that right up."

    "Upset stomach, blooockkkk chaaaaiiiinnnnn!"

    "I need a forum name, how about blockchainbully"
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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050
    ChildoftheShadows said:
    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 
    apple is a minority compared with Android.  Monopoly laws don't apply.
    ChildoftheShadows
  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    FrodoFragins said:
    ChildoftheShadows said:
    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 
    apple is a minority compared with Android.  Monopoly laws don't apply.
    A friend of mine likes to say: never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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  • RaagnarzRaagnarz Member RarePosts: 647
    I hate both companies, but I also try to be fair. Greed is the only reason for this suit but both companies are right to some degree. Apple shouldn't be able to block companies from allowing people to purchase X currency from their website or whatever. If a company wants to set up the infrastructure to process all that on their own thats on them. Apple should have no control over what goes on between a customer and game company on their system, once the customer is off their system. Conversely Epic has no right to force another company to put Epic products on their system for free out of the goodness of their heart. Epic doesn't like that they can always spend the years or decades of development (along with billions of $) and hard work to create, market, and launch their own mobile phone company and store. This whole lawsuit is basically South Park's Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich debate.
    Tuor7
  • lonesollonesol Member UncommonPosts: 60
    I dono why people game on apple anyways, it is like the worse everything for gaming. Their laptops are garbage, their desktops are garbage, their phones are garabage, and their tablets are garbage. None of them have oleds lol. Their 3000 dollar computer is equal to like a 1200 dollar laptop, even if you paid the sclapers you could make a better pc. As far as phones go especailly for gaming, apple is garbage, just like samsung which both over heat within 15 mins and underclock them selves. At least with android their are gaming options like the red magic 6 which has a fan, or asus, or blackdragon i think it is.
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  • WodgeWodge Member UncommonPosts: 46

    Torval said:

    I personally feel Epic is like the "Apple" of the gaming industry. While not the largest player, they have an extraordinary influence through their engine, platform, and purchased exclusives. They may not have crossed anti-trust lines yet, but I think they skirt very close to that anticompetitive line.



    If Epic were the Apple of the gaming industry, Unreal Engine would be exclusive to their store, only run on their hardware, and not be available to develop on for free.


    WhiteLantern said:


    A friend of mine likes to say: never let the truth get in the way of a good story.



    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide Android has quite the lead over iOS worldwide.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Epic picked a fight with Apple.  Of course Apple has to blacklist Epic for as long as they possibly can to make an example out of them.  If the just kick Epic out for a few days and then let them back, they'll encourage others to cause trouble for Apple in the same ways.

    I'm not really saying it's right or wrong.  I am saying that Apple didn't become incredibly profitable by being stupid.
    Tuor7
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,096
    edited September 2021

    FrodoFragins said:


    ChildoftheShadows said:

    Everyone here acting like “company can do what they want, it’sa private business” completely ignoring all the government and laws that helped them gain and keep their control.

    a true free market would allow for true competitors. Monopolies would be much harder to build. 


    apple is a minority compared with Android.  Monopoly laws don't apply.



    Exactly. People also seem to have forgotten that Google banned Fortnite from their Appstore as well, when EPIC tried to cut Google out with the same "out of app payment" bypass trick.
  • LinifLinif Member UncommonPosts: 340
    They want access to the brand without paying the royalties. Can't have your cake and eat it too, Epic.
    KyleranZenJelly
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Wodge said:

    Torval said:

    I personally feel Epic is like the "Apple" of the gaming industry. While not the largest player, they have an extraordinary influence through their engine, platform, and purchased exclusives. They may not have crossed anti-trust lines yet, but I think they skirt very close to that anticompetitive line.



    If Epic were the Apple of the gaming industry, Unreal Engine would be exclusive to their store, only run on their hardware, and not be available to develop on for free.


    WhiteLantern said:


    A friend of mine likes to say: never let the truth get in the way of a good story.



    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide Android has quite the lead over iOS worldwide.
    You do understand the difference between IOS and Android right?

    One is unique to Apple made products exclusively while the other is used by multiple manufacturers.

    A better comparison would be Apple vs Samsung.


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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited September 2021
    I'm trying hard to understand the slant of most of these responses. Anti mobile gaming? Anti Epic? I can't believe it's pro apple or even google in this case.

    A blind man can see there is an unspoken trust between the two, which in this case is problematic for developers and gamers a like.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    edited September 2021
    Well at least the suits are getting paid, pouring players money into their trust funds always keeps me happy.
    Tuor7
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Scot said:
    Well at least the suits are getting paid, pouring players money into their trust funds always keeps me happy.
    Don't forget all of the lawyers children who will be able to go to Ivy league schools now, so beautiful.
    Tuor7

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