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How Important Is Crafting To You In An MMO? | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited December 2021 in News & Features Discussion

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When RuneScape first sunk its teeth into Bradford, crafting was a major reason why. Creating new armors for his friends, creating magic runes and more kept him hooked in the world. Fast forward almost two decades later, though, and crafting barely registers on his radar. It makes him wonder how important crafting is to the average MMO fan.

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    The importance of crafting in a game is directly proportional to the importance of crafting in the game.

    Case A : crafting is very important in the A game because everything is player made. For example, in Ryzom, every piece of armor, every weapon, is made by players. You can buy grade C generic items from vendors, but no NPC drops weapons or armor. It is all player made.

    In addition, digging and crafting requires skill. It isn't just blind button pushing.

    Case B : crafting isn't very important in game B, because the best items aren't crafted, they drop from NPCs. For example, in ESO, the best items are gotten from running the same dungeon over and over. Some people run it 100 times, hoping to get the exact drop they want. Crafted items are second best, at best.

    In addition, it takes no skill at all to craft. Just point and click.

    Personally, I really like crafting in a game, IFF it produces the best items that people want. Otherwise, crafting is just a side hobby.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    edited December 2021
    So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO". :)

    Crafting has never been that important to me, but it is very important to many guildies over the years so I always support its importance in MMORPG's. Indeed some players seem to play the game for its economic aspect with other aspects being quite secondary.
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  • NeblessNebless Member RarePosts: 1,871
    edited December 2021
    As to me doing it?  Not a thing, I've dabbled in it, but couldn't care less.

    To a game?  Very important, as I'd rather see it done by the minority and used to support the economy as I'd rather get my weapons, armor and stuff from a crafter than have the NPC's doing it.

    I've been in games where everyone crafts and finding stuff (for the few non-crafters) is darn near impossible and if you do find what you want it's priced way more than it should be.

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  • JakobmillerJakobmiller Member RarePosts: 687

    Scot said:

    So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO". :)



    I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
  • LithuanianLithuanian Member UncommonPosts: 558
    For me it is important. At least in games where crafting does matter.
    Istaria with its superb idea of economy - crafting matters, just need to get that rare ingredient from some Spider or Golem!
    Lord of the rings online: having alts allows me to be almost self-sufficient. I can craft wooden weapons, metal weapons, jewellery, light/medium armour... And folks say, my Scholar can get them moneys too (never was good at Auction...).
    SWTOR - never thought about crafting. Stuff drops everywhere, everytime. And not bother me with crafting, I have that Republic scum to kill!

    In short - for me it mostly matters, unless becomes unworthy or extremely hard grind.
  • RungarRungar Member RarePosts: 1,132
    My opinion is that they go about crafting all the wrong way. This is because there's no disadvantages in the system. You need magic to be potentially toxic to balance crafted vs non crafted equipment. 

    i would have 3 tiers of items: 

    crafted:  best durability, easy to repair, most reliable. Least toxic. Generally less powerful. 

    standard drops:  lower durability, more expensive to repair, More toxic. Generally more powerful than crafted. 

    Cursed drops:  lower durability, most expensive to repair, most toxic. Most powerful but also possess significant downsides.  


    So you create a dynamic between crafted, drops and cursed items when building a loadout for your character. You need all three to effectively maximize your player since too much magic will be toxic to you. 

    so a well equipped character might have one or two cursed items, a few drops and some crafted to round out their character. 

    the magic induced toxicity ensures that crafted items have their place and also creates a minigame of how to get the most out of the system without having resort to lameplay like gear scores etc.  
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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    I am ambivalent toward crafting, but I despise games that require dependence on crafting or crafters.
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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    edited December 2021




    Scot said:


    So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO". :)






    I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.



    You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
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  • WarWitchWarWitch Member UncommonPosts: 351
    Not at all, I am just not into spamming the harvest button for thousand of times like in nw.
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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,832
    Crafting, in-and-of-itself, is not important to me at all. I have yet to play any game where I enjoyed crafting, the gameplay involved has always been absolutely shit.


    I sometimes enjoy the benefits of crafting (gear), and I sometimes enjoy playing the market, but the actual crafting? Na.




    What is way more important to me is whether the game is based around loot, or player crafting. If it is based around loot - as they all are these days - then crafting is likely to be almost entirely redundant. If it is based around player crafting, then a good crafting system, as well as good ways to interact with the economy, is very important.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    edited December 2021




    Scot said:


    So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO". :)






    I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.



    You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
    I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unless people pronounce that awkwardly too.

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    It is just huge resource waste....'

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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Not at all. I view crafting as at best a necessary evil and at worst a boring and outright harmful facet of the MMO experience.
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  • DattelisDattelis Member EpicPosts: 1,674
    I always liked the idea of killing a super hard boss or extremely rare monster for rare materials as well as armor and needing a high end crafter with special training to craft something with it. That way it kind of keeps both the combat and social skill aspect even to a degree if either wants to progress.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    edited December 2021
    Well, For me, a well done crafting system can be a joy in a game, it can add a great amount of depth, and something to do beyond just mindlessly kill shit for loot.

    One of the best crafting system I have gotten involved in was in GW2, where you can pretty much craft right from beginning, around level 10 ish, and make your own viable gear as you level up.

    Most dropped gear was about cosmetics not stats, so to get the ideal stat combo you might want, often came from crafting, and that ideal look mainly came from Questing and Vendors.

    Now, with that said, I find it somewhat odd that my character would need to craft at all, I mean if there is already a blacksmith in the game, why does my character need to learn blacksmithing, why can't I just bring this dragon hide to the smith and have them make me a suit of armor from it?

    As that that makes more sense to me, as opposed to max level character that is swimming in game wealth, who has slain Devils and Dragons alike, even toppled huge city sized mech walkers, or whatever, needing to go down to the forge and smelt me some iron bars to make metal rings, and then skinning elk, tanning the hide, to make leather straps, to attach the scales to, to make the armor I want.

    Why not just give the smith the Dragon Scales, and like 10K gold, or whatever, maybe some other other shit, like Eye of Harpy and the Ass Hair from a Silverback Werewolf, or whatever, and they are like "That works, here is your armor"

    The flip side to that, is why not have designated crafter classes, allowing players to level up as crafters, build/Have a shop, Hire/Have NPC vendors sell their crap, and then have players come to them with the Dragon Scales, Harpy Eye and Ass Hair, with 10K gold, and they make the Dragon Scale Armor.

    Or make that a "Retired from Adventuring Class" where once you get a character to max level you can then make them a crafter, and they "retire" into the "Mundane Life", you know, take their wealth, start a family, marry the medusa that they didn't kill way back at 10th level, because they figured, it was not the right thing for their paladin to do, or whatever.

    Just a thought.

    The current system where my Jacked up Rage Junkie Barb who goes off to brutally slay a God and then heads off to the forge to make Ingots from lumps of metal.. seems.. really, unrealistic.
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  • hupahupa Member UncommonPosts: 170
    For me it's very important. I like to take a break from all the monster killing every now and then. Also, I think crafting and adventuring opportunities should be detached from each other completely. While raiding or grouping for materials sound good on paper, I personally hated it in Lotro when top crafted items required raid components and I don't raid. AH items cost more than I could afford.

    EQ2 got a new dedicated tradeskilling dev since Domino left some years ago, very excited for that. She's someone who has been playing EQ for two decades. Niami DenMother.


    For the a vs an debate I found this old article: https://english.blogoverflow.com/2011/11/articles-a-vs-an/

    a/an is based on pronunciation, not spelling
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  • jazz.bejazz.be Member UncommonPosts: 962
    The weird thing is that I usually don't craft that much but not having decent crafting would turn me down.
    Even though I may not craft that much I need to have that depth in the game.
  • AlleineDragonfyreAlleineDragonfyre Member UncommonPosts: 16
    Without getting too detailed, I love crafting in my MMOs. I also want interdependency. Some games allow players to learn all trade skills and I'm not really into that.
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  • sunnyortegosunnyortego Member UncommonPosts: 33
    edited December 2021
    I do it even in games it's not useful in, and I also npc sell the junk I made instead of putting it on auctions. Usually lose money crafting but I still enjoy it. (Well in game money anyways.) I've dropped quite a few games because they try to monetize crafting.
  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    I usually avoid crafting. However, if it is the very basis of the economy like in Albion then it makes more sense, and it is more meaningful.
  • SarlaSarla Member UncommonPosts: 401
    I do not like crafting in games
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,976
    I like crafting in survival games wehre it really makes sense....In MMOs, I rarely ever liked crafting because the stuff you made wasnt very good usually.....Raid gear was always better and boss drops were usually better so there wasnt much point to doing it.
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  • lordbasllordbasl Member UncommonPosts: 8
    I love crafting in my games. I love innovative craft systems even more.

    Best crafting system of the games I have played is FFXIV. Three reasons: one, each craft or gather prof is in itself a class with its own story. Two; crafting is a mini game that actually holds my interest. Three: self sufficiency is easy to have because each toon can learn all the skills.

    Another nice system is EQ2 with its mini game style, like FFXIV.

    Honorable mentions go to ESO for endgame crafting dailies and SWTOR for its Crew Skills system for companion characters. An individual cannot be self sufficient, but a legacy can be.

    Dishonorable mention go to Dungeons and Dragons Online. Between multiple old endgame systems like Veil of Twilight, minor stuff like the Stone of Change, and the utterly worthless Cannith Crafting system, DDO crafting is in a category of Raw Suck all its own. Hell, Wizard101 is better!

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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,028
    If there is a game where you get loot from drops that are better than crafting it wouldn't matter how important crafting was to you because it would be pointless in the game. But if you got slightly better stuff than from the mob drops from crafting + add a durability system where repairs weren't trivial and eventually get to the point of it being cheaper to get a new item then it becomes more useful. So, how important crafting is depends on the game really.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    lordbasl said:
    Dishonorable mention go to Dungeons and Dragons Online. Between multiple old endgame systems like Veil of Twilight, minor stuff like the Stone of Change, and the utterly worthless Cannith Crafting system, DDO crafting is in a category of Raw Suck all its own.

    As someone that plays DDO, I can totally support and affirm that the crafting is Raw Suck.
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  • SpiiderSpiider Member RarePosts: 1,135
    I loooove crafting in any game if its done well. It must be relevant else its dumb timesink.

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