There are already games that allow you to buy land and sell it to other players. Weird, but NFTs aren't required.
Why would you need an NFT for something that has been happening in games for years now without the tech?
One thing that NFTs do is to that they allow you to resell the land without relying on the company that runs the game to facilitate the transaction.
Is that guaranteed that in every case, though? You really only 'own' anything if it's in your own personal wallet, right? Remember Mt Gox? A lot of people thought they 'owned' bitcoin until they didn't. If there's one thing companies looking to make a quick buck on trends like this aren't know for, it's having good security.
I really don't understand any of the NFT-as-an-investment thing beyond the people who make money right this second doing various forms of pump and dump. Like, I understand the potential smart contracts and being able to verify authenticity via a ledger. The problem for me is that the cost of running a ledger on Ethereum for a video game is wasteful and completely overkill.
Nobody seems to be able to explain it to me in a way I understand, so maybe I'm missing something completely. I dunno.
Edit - I just thought of another question for anyone who's savvy at this. How do you pay taxes on NFTs vs Currency? Do you pay capital gains if you sell now like coins? Is it like reselling a car?
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
Which means your going to design a game around me needing it.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
There wasn't a way, outside of modding, to use images or assets in a game before NFTs. If a game can be modded then it can be used in a game regardless of whether there is an NFT tied to it. Lots of restricted works are used in private mods. The only issue here would be distributing that mod on public platform, like Nexus, that cares about such things. At that point, it isn't the NFT restricting the use, it's copyright. There is nothing about NFTs that stop the original artist from licensing that asset for use elsewhere. Unless it's explicitly written into the contract itself rights holders still have the power to use or license their assets how they want.
Nanfoodle said "right click" save and then laserIT implied the site would charge a nickel to do so. I'm sure they were joking around, but this topic has come up before during NFT sales. NFT of some image or video media file was sold and within minutes it was also available to download and view without the NFT. That's because displaying an image of the NFT for sale on the site allowed people to grab the image or graphic.
That's not correct.
You can mod whatever you want in wherever you want, but the specific items in a modded game aren't the specific items in a real game.
For example if I own, lets say Batman as an NFT in DCUO and my ownership means that I am one of the 500 people that owns batman and can play as him.
Well sure you can create an emulated game, create a fake batman, and let a zillion people play as him. In that case copyrights would be involved to shut down the emulated game, but in absolutely zero circumstances would the "stolen" NFT be available within the actual game.
Not in a mod. Not in an unofficial update. That's like saying "Well I can just use whatever items in whatever game at any time". It doesn't really work that way.
Just about every blockchain game requires a network, to be online, and items would need to be authenticated on-chain. There's no way to steal a virtual item by saving or creating a copy and somehow make it usable within a blockchain game.
So you may be correct in terms of NFT art, but not NFT gaming assets. NFT art has no real inherent purpose, but if you look at gaming NFT objectively, even if you don't like it, they still have a purpose, and that's why it "works".
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
Which means your going to design a game around me needing it.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
Which means your going to design a game around me needing it.
Thanks but no thanks
Not any more or less than you "need" a cosmetic.
So this is all based on someone wanting to *own* a pretty little picture?
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
Which means your going to design a game around me needing it.
Thanks but no thanks
Not any more or less than you "need" a cosmetic.
So this is all based on someone wanting to *own* a pretty little picture?
edit: *own* is not the right word.
More along the lines of NFT's will be a used in a lot of different ways. Cosmetics aren't really pictures, but stating they aren't valuable pretty much negates the current premise of the most prized cash shop monetization in the industry right now, so I probably wouldn't dive too deep into that one.
Don't see how cash-shop cosmetic only is okay but NFT cosmetic-only isn't okay.
btw people have played archeage right? what happens to the land rush? do you even like it in a game? just make the land NFT lol
THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE * THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE
That right there is a great example of the clear difference between nft vs traditional games. Instead of giving money to the developer for something you're never able to re-sell in a game that keeps getting rebooted so they can keep selling people the same thing over and over that you NEVER own why not just buy it and own it? If people spent money buying virtual property would they possibly stick around because they have real money/investment in the game? Money that isn't paid for a temporary 'service' but money paid for something that will exist as long as the game does.
In the future a nickel or a quarter might be being deducted from your bank account using blockchain for the honour of using that image
Except nothing about the smart contract implies that you can sell copies. The only way to stop this would be for browsers to disable screenshots from within the website, but then you can just use your favorite screenshot utility to capture the image outside of the browser.
My favorite is PicPick (https://picpick.app/en/). I paid $30 years ago because I needed something for work and have received free updates since. It's a great little utility. Screenshots don't care about NFTs and the hashes wouldn't be the same either. Take that NFTs.
Buuut it doesn't matter how many times you save a picture of an nft or screen shot it, you can't use it in game without the associated token.
So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
Which means your going to design a game around me needing it.
Thanks but no thanks
Not any more or less than you "need" a cosmetic.
So this is all based on someone wanting to *own* a pretty little picture?
edit: *own* is not the right word.
More along the lines of NFT's will be a used in a lot of different ways. Cosmetics aren't really pictures, but stating they aren't valuable pretty much negates the current premise of the most prized cash shop monetization in the industry right now, so I probably wouldn't dive too deep into that one.
Don't see how cash-shop cosmetic only is okay but NFT cosmetic-only isn't okay.
But people will feel how they want to feel.
Well maybe one day your frying pan won't really be your frying pan and your hair dryer won't really be your hair dryer.
You will just have permission to use it.
Oh wait....
I think we might have some laws and regulations against that sort of thing. Although there are some loopholes around it.
Unless that is, you make things that are make believe, entertainment
Your selling worse than cheap dollar store manufactured goods. Imho this copyright bullshit needs to go, there are books and works of art and then there is everything else.
If you haven't noticed things aren't looking very stable these days.
Some here acting like all of this is some kind of deathblow when that deathblow has been happening at a slow pace over time by the companies that have given us the same mediocrity for decades. Don't be fooled when the day comes and the AAA old guard game industry blame nft/p2e/crypto for everything. Never forget that they were the INVENTORS/CREATORS of ftp/cash shop/sub model/loot boxes/p2w/battle passes NOT nft/crypto/p2e games...
THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE * THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE
Folks... all the game knowledge everyone here has... decades of theorycrafting, writing down notes etc was all your education/experience that you could be putting to good use now AND benefiting greatly with real world gains...
There are mobas, card games, autobattlers... USE what you know from playing all those other games for decades and be friggin' CHAMPIONS instead of attacking people here who are just trying to inform/help you... YOU with your hundreds/thousands of hours of Magic/Hearthstone experience are the seasoned veteran who did 5 tours NOT the person just getting into gaming today... A LOT of nft/p2e/crypto games require strategy not just swiping the credit card so go full speed ahead without fear and have some FUN.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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More along the lines of NFT's will be a used in a lot of different ways. Cosmetics aren't really pictures, but stating they aren't valuable pretty much negates the current premise of the most prized cash shop monetization in the industry right now, so I probably wouldn't dive too deep into that one.
Don't see how cash-shop cosmetic only is okay but NFT cosmetic-only isn't okay.
But people will feel how they want to feel.
Well maybe one day your frying pan won't really be your frying pan and your hair dryer won't really be your hair dryer.
You will just have permission to use it.
Oh wait....
I think we might have some laws and regulations against that sort of thing. Although there are some loopholes around it.
Unless that is, you make things that are make believe, entertainment
Your selling worse than cheap dollar store manufactured goods. Imho this copyright bullshit needs to go, there are books and works of art and then there is everything else.
If you haven't noticed things aren't looking very stable these days.
Time for some revisions imho
I mean, your perspective is definitely different than mine.
I'm just saying, all things created equal in virtual goods, one nft cosmetic cash shop to one non-nft cash shop is pretty much the same thing... well, to a point at least.
There are some massive issues that I have in those regards, but they aren't really with NFTs specifically, just how they use them.
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I really don't understand any of the NFT-as-an-investment thing beyond the people who make money right this second doing various forms of pump and dump. Like, I understand the potential smart contracts and being able to verify authenticity via a ledger. The problem for me is that the cost of running a ledger on Ethereum for a video game is wasteful and completely overkill.
Nobody seems to be able to explain it to me in a way I understand, so maybe I'm missing something completely. I dunno.
Edit - I just thought of another question for anyone who's savvy at this. How do you pay taxes on NFTs vs Currency? Do you pay capital gains if you sell now like coins? Is it like reselling a car?
Ever
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So nfts in gaming make substantially more sense when you consider enforcing limited items.
NFT's can be stolen through scams or account hacks just like any other digital item.
Thanks but no thanks
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Everything on the Internet will one day be monetized.
Mark my words.
I'm just glad I probably won't be around to see it
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You can mod whatever you want in wherever you want, but the specific items in a modded game aren't the specific items in a real game.
For example if I own, lets say Batman as an NFT in DCUO and my ownership means that I am one of the 500 people that owns batman and can play as him.
Well sure you can create an emulated game, create a fake batman, and let a zillion people play as him. In that case copyrights would be involved to shut down the emulated game, but in absolutely zero circumstances would the "stolen" NFT be available within the actual game.
Not in a mod. Not in an unofficial update. That's like saying "Well I can just use whatever items in whatever game at any time". It doesn't really work that way.
Just about every blockchain game requires a network, to be online, and items would need to be authenticated on-chain. There's no way to steal a virtual item by saving or creating a copy and somehow make it usable within a blockchain game.
So you may be correct in terms of NFT art, but not NFT gaming assets. NFT art has no real inherent purpose, but if you look at gaming NFT objectively, even if you don't like it, they still have a purpose, and that's why it "works".
edit: *own* is not the right word.
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Don't see how cash-shop cosmetic only is okay
but
NFT cosmetic-only isn't okay.
But people will feel how they want to feel.
You will just have permission to use it.
Oh wait....
I think we might have some laws and regulations against that sort of thing. Although there are some loopholes around it.
Unless that is, you make things that are make believe, entertainment
Your selling worse than cheap dollar store manufactured goods. Imho this copyright bullshit needs to go, there are books and works of art and then there is everything else.
If you haven't noticed things aren't looking very stable these days.
Time for some revisions imho
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It's clear they've drawn the players into the web now.... more dark times ahead I fear.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I'm just saying, all things created equal in virtual goods, one nft cosmetic cash shop to one non-nft cash shop is pretty much the same thing... well, to a point at least.
There are some massive issues that I have in those regards, but they aren't really with NFTs specifically, just how they use them.