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Building The Perfect MMORPG - What Would Be Your Defining Feature? | MMORPG.com

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edited February 2022 in News & Features Discussion

imageBuilding The Perfect MMORPG - What Would Be Your Defining Feature? | MMORPG.com

As fans of the MMORPG genre, we have opinions. All of us have, in our own minds, what we feel is the best MMORPG on the market, and more specifically what it's doing that makes it so great. But what if you could start from scratch and build your own MMORPG? What would you name as its tentpole, defining feature to draw new and genre veterans alike to your world?

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  • RidrithRidrith Member RarePosts: 855
    1.) An actual storyline where we aren't the "chosen ones", make it a GROUP oriented story. Frame it like the early days of WoW, we aren't anyone special. Just a soldier among the rank and file, and we just happen to be there when all the major moments went down, doing what we could. Engaging story and lore.

    2.) NOT a Sandbox. A sandbox game portrays the golden standard of what the game could be in its trailers, advertising, etc. Massive cities, armies of players working together to go to war, to build an entire realm for others to play in. In reality, these games never get to that point. Because when it comes down to players to create the content, it's universally awful. What the trailers don't show you are the gank squads of 10-20 players running around screeching the n-word while they gank newbies or the super alliances that dominate the map and squash any and all competition and ruin the game for everyone, including themselves. Penis buildings, etc. The potential is always there, but it will never come to fruition.

    3.) Elevated questing, quests that mean something. IE: Witcher 3 quests. Even most of the side quests, despite many of them being a 'do this thing, or kill this thing' quest, had a story behind it. There was a reason for it to exist in the world, and it felt natural. This plays into my 1.

    4.) Solid combat, great animations, respecting players time. I'm just going to sum up the rest here. They all speak for themselves.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Ultima Online with an updated engine ...


    /end
    ConstantineMerusaleos
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Community instead of a mob of players who want to play a multiplayer game as a solo one.
    ScorchienConstantineMerusSensaiRidelynn
  • urriel1970urriel1970 Member UncommonPosts: 126
    crafting that isn't just something to do..make it matter...
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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,306
    edited February 2022
    For me, Dark Age of Camelot had everything I want in an MMORPG

    1) A huge world with great dungeons

    2) A diverse choice of quests and story lines that weren't required but still good

    3) The ability to solo and a great community making you not want to solo

    4) Great and diverse character classes

    5) Three completely independent realms

    6) The best character progression in any game I've played

    7) A deep and diverse loot system

    8) The best PvP/RvR ever created

    9) Meaningful player housing [edit] 10 A good art style. No gay sailor or butler costume in a cash store, no oversized 10 foot long sword, no overelaborate rainbow vomit armor.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    I would say no quests, give objectives for players and make it so they have to work together to get them done. Would want base building/sieges to be a part of this. Territory control. It doesn't have to be open world pvp the time, could be that sieges are a special event.

    Absolute freedom. I would want some sort of trading system like Black Desert but not so cumbersome.

    Crafting like Fantasy blacksmith generator. Not just collect items and click a button.

    Lots of exploration as well as gm interaction with the world and players in order to create spur of the moment happenings.

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  • TablixTablix Member UncommonPosts: 51
    open world with zero instancing, which like means multiple realms.

    DEEP crafting with more than just create x recipe that is identical to everyone else's

    guild halls instead of player housing that COST time and money to upkeep to deal with currency inflation and player content time sinks.

    no item drops only crafting materials that force players to trade/travel/interact.

    A world with actual ecosystems of animals, not fixed spawns, nomadic creatures, those that only live in certain terrains ect.

    EVERYTHING has a decay on it from equipment to buildings, and even your health, fail to log in for 14 days, starvation will make your character progressively weaker until fed and healed over a period of hours/days.

    Make almost all content group focused, so a solo him can hunt rabbits or go mining solo but if you run into a pack of wolves or a dragon you truely screwed.

    Heavy equipment decay on death to repair or replacement mandatory, combined with encumbrance stats this should counter zerg pvp encounters or zerg mentality.

    Guild housing in safe cities run by NPC's, but ability to build simple fort/camp structures in the pvp zones for hunting parties thats are all destroyable, take out a camp some of the resources would be captured by the survivors to take over or use elsewhere.


    Imagine a fusion of EQ/SWG/EVE..

    I could go on and on and on.... problem is anyone can be an armchair dev, very few the knowledge/experience and techincal ability to manage the people required to deliver a huge project like this.

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    Tablix said:
    open world with zero instancing, which like means multiple realms.

    DEEP crafting with more than just create x recipe that is identical to everyone else's

    guild halls instead of player housing that COST time and money to upkeep to deal with currency inflation and player content time sinks.

    no item drops only crafting materials that force players to trade/travel/interact.

    A world with actual ecosystems of animals, not fixed spawns, nomadic creatures, those that only live in certain terrains ect.

    EVERYTHING has a decay on it from equipment to buildings, and even your health, fail to log in for 14 days, starvation will make your character progressively weaker until fed and healed over a period of hours/days.

    Make almost all content group focused, so a solo him can hunt rabbits or go mining solo but if you run into a pack of wolves or a dragon you truely screwed.

    Heavy equipment decay on death to repair or replacement mandatory, combined with encumbrance stats this should counter zerg pvp encounters or zerg mentality.

    Guild housing in safe cities run by NPC's, but ability to build simple fort/camp structures in the pvp zones for hunting parties thats are all destroyable, take out a camp some of the resources would be captured by the survivors to take over or use elsewhere.


    Imagine a fusion of EQ/SWG/EVE..

    I could go on and on and on.... problem is anyone can be an armchair dev, very few the knowledge/experience and techincal ability to manage the people required to deliver a huge project like this.


    You just about described Ryzom.
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    edited February 2022
    I can say what I *don't* want:

    1) no forced anything. No forced PvP, no forced grouping, no forced anything.
    2) end game with only timed raids, etc. Not a fan of gear scores.
    3) hub with instances. Give me an open world to explore.
    4) loot boxes, or P2W cash shop
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    I also like freedom. GW2, ESO, Division 1 & 2, Splinter Cell Breakpoint and a few others let me do what I want with my login time. Want to just explore and kill the local bad guys, no problem, want to take down a world boss or two during a play session with the community without even grouping, no problem. Feel like questing or doing some PVE, ok go into that zone. Want to explore or reexperience a good story-line, right this way.

    Time management at it's best is usually what I like. I feel I can get enjoyment from a game even if I only have a half-hour to play that day.

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  • EladiEladi Member UncommonPosts: 1,145
    edited February 2022
    I prefer an updated SWG with some adaptations.

    No mass production and all crafts RNG based where quality resources just narrows the change you get "the best" craft possible using a soft cap not a hard cap system and a rare rng-component system. (naturally it needs to have a durability system and the better the stats the lower its durability)

    PVE Quest / dungeon content pure Lore based add-ons to unlock Lore based skins for armor and such and getting limited use craft ability. (things like furniture) Optional content, not the main.

    Territorial PVP that does not influence PvE players. PVP is all about the brag and the honors, not about imposing a will on others. PVP could also unlock some LORE based skins and craft unlocks.

    And important, it needs to have a robust -make your own quest system.

    I could keep going on "design" but eh, Everyone can design their own perfect-game on paper. If I ever win the lottery, I might consider actual building something instead. :P
  • L1nkStartL1nkStart Member UncommonPosts: 2
    alive AI
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    edited February 2022
    olepi said:
    I can say what I *don't* want:

    1) no forced anything. No forced PvP, no forced grouping, no forced anything.
    2) end game with only timed raids, etc. Not a fan of gear scores.
    3) hub with instances. Give me an open world to explore.
    4) loot boxes, or P2W cash shop
    Yeah but by that definition everything is forced.

    There are people who prefer a very cultivated, curated experience and if they don't get that they are very unhappy. So saying to people 'just go and explore' means there's some sort of forced exploration.

    That's why I continually say there is no such thing as "forced" just that the game has x, y and z features and if those features speak to a person then the game may be for them.


    edit: though now that I think of it I suppose you could mean that the game has every feature and just allow the player to make their choices. Still, my point stands in that some features are going to be at odds with other features and it's not going to be possible to have both. Or have every feature that a player wants but eschewing everything they don't want.

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  • RungarRungar Member RarePosts: 1,132
    built with love and not love of money. 
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  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    Hand-crafted and actively GM'd server wide events that push a world events narrative that players can leave their mark on, but one that does not depend on any single player to move forward.

    For example, a player could, say, solve a riddle first and find the entrance to a tomb long said to contain great power.  However, the great power is really just a huge army of insectoid creatures that awaken and begin piling out of that (and other) underground areas around the game world.  Players would need to participate in defending certain areas to maintain NPC personnel support for that area (i.e. repair stations, crafting stations, place to offload junk, etc.).  The story would then progress based along the narrative crafted by the developers featuring additonal events at key points such as battles or public events related to the story (for example, an infamous villain related to the story being publicly executed).

    That kind of evolving world narrative that breaks the mold of endgame dungeon and raid spamming in favor of participating in the world story.
  • nei1000nei1000 Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    The biggest question is: What is making every new mmorpg that is being released be a flop or forgettable in such a short time?
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    Sovrath said:
    olepi said:
    I can say what I *don't* want:

    1) no forced anything. No forced PvP, no forced grouping, no forced anything.
    2) end game with only timed raids, etc. Not a fan of gear scores.
    3) hub with instances. Give me an open world to explore.
    4) loot boxes, or P2W cash shop
    Yeah but by that definition everything is forced.

    There are people who prefer a very cultivated, curated experience and if they don't get that they are very unhappy. So saying to people 'just go and explore' means there's some sort of forced exploration.

    That's why I continually say there is no such thing as "forced" just that the game has x, y and z features and if those features speak to a person then the game may be for them.


    edit: though now that I think of it I suppose you could mean that the game has every feature and just allow the player to make their choices. Still, my point stands in that some features are going to be at odds with other features and it's not going to be possible to have both. Or have every feature that a player wants but eschewing everything they don't want.


    Right, make it optional, not forced. You want PvP? The game should have it. Group content? Yes. But not forced. Exploration? Crafting? yes. But players don't *have* to do it.
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  • logicbomb82logicbomb82 Member UncommonPosts: 228
    Asheron's Call 3 basically, just like AC 1 but with more balanced classes. Somehow, we need a way that no guides could be created to ruin the adventure. Figuring something out on your own is so rewarding. Now everyone just looks it up and follows a guide... The days of old school MMO's and the community working together to solve mysteries and find new things is sadly gone. Would love to see real live events happen and an ongoing story, that the players effect and change with their decisions.
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  • BLNXBLNX Member UncommonPosts: 275
    I agree with everyone above me, that's why I'm making a Kickstarter promising all those features. So go donate right now.
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  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    Seamless open world with instanced dungeons. Each dungeon would be equivalent in size to an entire dark souls game, taking days of playtime to clear, a serious commitment with no easy way out.
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    BLNX said:
    I agree with everyone above me, that's why I'm making a Kickstarter promising all those features. So go donate right now.

    Wait, I'M doing *that* game! I even have a special sale on pixelated space ships for only $5,000 each. And NFT's too, for cheap. The game is coming out in just a couple of years.

    Hurry, supplies are limited!
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  • jondifooljondifool Member UncommonPosts: 1,143
    I want a world that is alive, changing and challenging, all the time.

    The step I expect most from is full application of seasons that change each week (1 week of spring, summer, autumn and winter each) with content that differs and are easy or challenging depending on season. Economics that depends on weather and calamities and where fortunes can be made or lost depending on demands for the next season etc. In an alive world monster change behavior as well. wolfs becomes packs at winter, their hide is worthless as they become skinny and scrawny when its the coldest winter the game has seen etc.

    An alive world where guides and youtube videos has to be taking weather, season and events into account in a way that makes them hard to follow, and makes the so called best approach to the game taken much longer to be solved.

    I want challenging encounters. I want to see great hordes of wandering animals randomly formed and moving from random a to random b, to be tracked and chased by local formed hunting parties based on how many players are actual around when that event happen. I want to see a harsh world where getting far out in the wilderness and survive is an accomplishment.

    I want a game that starts low, low fantasy, low magic but rich on lore and actual game knowledge. Give me one avarage hillgiant to fight as a highlight the first couple of seasons. Dragons can wait and pls no saving of the world. And btw make undead something you really dread for the danger and its negative effects. Let players work hard to avoid the undead terror and want to do it. Etc.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    finefluff said:
    Seamless open world with instanced dungeons. Each dungeon would be equivalent in size to an entire dark souls game, taking days of playtime to clear, a serious commitment with no easy way out.
    You might be joking but that is heaven for me.

    See my Skyrim mod below. There's a person doing a YouTube run-through and each episode is from 53 minutes to an hour and a half. Granted, he's being exceptionally thorough, but he's up to 43 episodes and he's only 3/5th's through.

    I couldn't be happier.  B)
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    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    nei1000 said:
    The biggest question is: What is making every new mmorpg that is being released be a flop or forgettable in such a short time?

    I tend to attribute the difficulties that new MMORPGs have to be a symptom of been-there, done-that.  There's very little new, innovative or original.  The development teams (and money guys) look only at what has gone before.  Therefore, little is interesting.



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