Originally posted by Tertius Huh, we're on page 3 and no neanderthals have shown up yet. I'm a wee bit surprised by that. Maybe there's hope for the human race after all.
Certifiable neanderthal right here - Just wanted to make an appearance just so you didn't get any silly idea's!
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Originally posted by Aldaron Originally posted by Tertius Huh, we're on page 3 and no neanderthals have shown up yet. I'm a wee bit surprised by that. Maybe there's hope for the human race after all.
Certifiable neanderthal right here - Just wanted to make an appearance just so you didn't get any silly idea's! Hey thanks, too much optimism is bad for me. My doctor says I should try to stay cranky.
Originally posted by Tertius Huh, we're on page 3 and no neanderthals have shown up yet. I'm a wee bit surprised by that. Maybe there's hope for the human race after all.
*Shakes his spear in the general direction of gay people*
Originally posted by freethinker ichildren can really benifit from having parents that love them.
Bumper sticker wisdom, if I yawned any harder they'd have to give it a name. Firggin pathetic world where so many people think you can sum up something as deep as parenthood in ten words or less.
If you've ever actually raised kids, what you'd already know is that kids want a mommy and a daddy. And they want them still married, and still living together in the house the kids get dropped off in front of by the school bus.
Gays, by and large, don't want children. Which is to say, they aren't concerened with the children themselves. They are simply looking for a new accessory, a new possession in their life. They have a car, a house, a stereo, a TV, now they want a kid.
Ask a kid what he/she wants sometime. That's what matters.
Gay people are ok. Along as they don't tell you and as long as they don't try to hit on you. I hate the way, that if you reject them, they think and moan about how you don't respect(note that this only applies to some gays)
It's really weird when he talks about who he is dating and stuff....I don't really want to know about that. I tell him that I'm not really interested who he finds. Most of them freakin' flip me out, he doesn't seem gay if you hang around with him and junk. My school is pretty much open to all gays. Like 10 in our school, and almost 13 lesbians. You think they would date each other but....no.
Meh. I go to an Art college and alot of the students "ARE" gay here. mostly the male, but some female too. I have been hit on 4 times this whole year(freshmen year) and I must say it can be uncomfortable. One time when I declined, the guy asked me if he could still walk with me and hold my hand for a bit....uhh,, I basically told him I was in no way shape or form attracted to men, and I certainly was not going to hold his hand....
Strait guys might get annoyed or offended when a gay guy hits on you, but you cannot blame them for it because its simply not their fault considering they don't know if you are or not(to them, anyone could appear gay I guess, and they just want to try their luck). One of my friends who is female said I should be flattered that its happened to me so much because she thinks they have good taste in men haha, I still find it creepy though .
BTW this thread is most likely going to be locked soon. Its getting a bit too contiversial.
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I have nothing against gays, what two consenting adults do to each other in private is none of my concern.
What annoys me is gay men who are camp in innapropiate situations, like work, it would be like me mentioning my sexuality in every conversation I have. Yes men do think about sex a lot, but most of us are capable of having a serious conversation without constantly referring to it etc.
Also I have to say from my personal experience, and this is a shame, but I have never met a gay man who wasn't a completely self obsessed and nasty. The things I have heard gay men say, , slagging of straight and bisexuals etc just because you are in the minority means you can be offensive?
I expect they have a lot of emotional baggage from encountering homophobia throughout their lives, I just have yet to meet one who has risen above it, well maybe I did but consequently wasn't aware they were gay.
But I am not homophobic, and I know there are lots of nice people out there who are not jerks of all types of sexuality.
Im a 12 year old.. I do have straight parents n let me tell u that nearly everyone here hates gay ppl... kids get bullied in school n u dont know it (usually if you have preteen-teen kids)
you wouldnt give a person flamebait here would you?
People who laugh with gays are just nerds, they don't know that these people are the same as all the other! I hate it when people laugh with gays! That makes me f..... angry!!!
TBH, I think many people would find the topic of this conversation both disstasteful and offensive. "Gays are OK", this seems to suggest that gay people are different from everybody else, and as such have to be judged differently. I can imagine gay people taking offense to this, I'm sure they'd rather people just accepted them for what they are, and didn't feel the 'need' to discuss whether they are, or are not 'OK'.
Hohbein is right. Apparently we are giving Hardcorebass a stiffy by posting in his thread here. You guys are giving him the impression that he belongs here at his age.
Originally posted by Carufin Originally posted by freethinker ichildren can really benifit from having parents that love them.
Bumper sticker wisdom, if I yawned any harder they'd have to give it a name. Firggin pathetic world where so many people think you can sum up something as deep as parenthood in ten words or less.
If you've ever actually raised kids,
Oh wow..aren't you presumptuous.
I'm a married father of two children: a 7 yr old and a 3yr old.
Now...don't you look silly...hehe
what you'd already know is that kids want a mommy and a daddy. And they want them still married, and still living together in the house the kids get dropped off in front of by the school bus.
You should really stop pretending you know what all kids want.
What I do know is that children who are in loving families tend to do better in life. If pressed, I'll be happy to back that up since there have been numerous studies done on it.
Gays, by and large, don't want children.
prove it. you can't because this is just your belief
hich is to say, they aren't concerened with the children themselves. They are simply looking for a new accessory, a new possession in their life. They have a car, a house, a stereo, a TV, now they want a kid. I bet you're just assuming what you believe gay people want. Much like you assumed that I'm not a family guy. You should really stop doing that since you're not very good at it.
And it's too bad, a lot of other people do this too. They use their irrational beliefs to vote for politicians who push for laws that keep others from being happy.
Originally posted by janjanson I have nothing against gays, what two consenting adults do to each other in private is none of my concern. What annoys me is gay men who are camp in innapropiate situations, like work, it would be like me mentioning my sexuality in every conversation I have. Yes men do think about sex a lot, but most of us are capable of having a serious conversation without constantly referring to it etc. Also I have to say from my personal experience, and this is a shame, but I have never met a gay man who wasn't a completely self obsessed and nasty. The things I have heard gay men say, , slagging of straight and bisexuals etc just because you are in the minority means you can be offensive? I expect they have a lot of emotional baggage from encountering homophobia throughout their lives, I just have yet to meet one who has risen above it, well maybe I did but consequently wasn't aware they were gay. But I am not homophobic, and I know there are lots of nice people out there who are not jerks of all types of sexuality.
Look at it this way. Would you like to feel ashamed to talk about your wife at work? Or your girlfriend, if you're not married.
I don't flaunt my sexuality. I've only told a few of my closest friends. And everyone of them I've told didn't know until I let them. But honestly, it sucks to have to hide who you are.
I understand that it's just the way society is. But that only makes me realize the reality of the whole thing. It doesn't help with the feelings of shame and guilt that I have to deal with. Logically, I know that those feelings aren't reasonable things to feel, but emotionally I wish people knew the truth about me and other gay people.
There is nothing fun about being gay. It's not something I ever wanted. I would change in a heartbeat. The only thing I would ask is that I get to remember the lessons I've learned from being this way.
I respect the fact that it makes other people uncomfortable at this point in societal evolution. That's why I keep to myself. But I can understand where some gay people are just fed up with hiding. It's not just hiding your sexuality, but also hiding your love and your commitment to another individual.
Like I said, just imagine having to hide that you were married or dating. That's something that is a special thing in your life. And it's a human experience that should be admired, not ridiculed or shamed. How many people do you know at work that keep a picture of their wife or girlfriend on their desk?
I would be happy to hear about your love for your girlfriend or wife. Why should my love be any different?
To Laserwolf and Hobhein: I just made this thread to say that I bother if someone is gay, and I just wanted to hear the opions of the others, k? Because this item is hot in the society, there are so many people talking about this, this subject can't be ignored. Thats what I wanted to say.
upallnight you sound ok, but if I was working with you would you refer to me as ducky, or love etc Would you speak to me in a camp high pitched voice?
I had to put up with that at work once, and I can tell you, it is annoying as hell.
If you are just gay, then no probs, but if you are then going to crack sexual innuendos in every conversation and act like a moron, well I will treat you like moron... then probably be called a homophobe, which I am not.
It is like sexual harassment really, and I bet it causes a lot of homophobia, I really wanted to punch this one person I was working with.
Things like a piccy of your boyfriend on your desk etc or mentioning occasionally your other half, like straight people do would be ok to me, I don't find the concept of homosexuality uncomfortable.
upallnight I would encourage you to stop feeling ashamed for your sexuality and just come out to everyone, then you will know who your friends are etc but plz dont "camp it up" at least not at work hehe
Originally posted by janjanson upallnight you sound ok, but if I was working with you would you refer to me as ducky, or love etc Would you speak to me in a camp high pitched voice? I had to put up with that at work once, and I can tell you, it is annoying as hell. If you are just gay, then no probs, but if you are then going to crack sexual innuendos in every conversation and act like a moron, well I will treat you like moron... then probably be called a homophobe, which I am not. It is like sexual harassment really, and I bet it causes a lot of homophobia, I really wanted to punch this one person I was working with. Things like a piccy of your boyfriend on your desk etc or mentioning occasionally your other half, like straight people do would be ok to me, I don't find the concept of homosexuality uncomfortable. upallnight I would encourage you to stop feeling ashamed for your sexuality and just come out to everyone, then you will know who your friends are etc but plz dont "camp it up" at least not at work hehe
I have a theory. I've noticed that there are some gay people that act feminine and then there are most of them that don't. I've had a lot of gay friends. And they even say that there are the normal gay people and then the queens.
So I thought about it one day. I am convinced, by what I've heard and what I've considered, that being gay is not a choice. I think there are some bisexual people who try being gay but move away from it and say they've changed to straight, but I don't think they've really changed. That would be like me becoming gay, which is absurd.
Anyways, why would some people be very gay, but not act feminine and others would be very gay and act straight? And you can even see it in small children if you pay attention. Some kids act more masculine than others even at a young age.
I think that there may be two or more reasons people turn out gay. There have been studies that say there are certain traits that show up in gay people and other traits that show up in other gay people. These traits have been traced back to things like the mother being under emotional stress during pregnancy to the amount of sex hormones the fetus is exposed to before birth.
I wonder if perhaps that's the reason they've had so much debate on the cause of homosexuality. It may be multiple prenatal events in the womb that some fetuses are exposed to and others aren't. I mean, just look at the studies done with Folic Acid and the mental and nervous system development of fetuses. It could even be something to do with the mothers nutrition while she is pregnant.
In any event, I think this may be why some gay people relate more to men and still doing "manly" things, like hunting, fishing, sports, etc. While other gay men have a more feminine style.
All I can say is that my gay friends that act straight like to do exactly the same things I do. They lift weights, play sports, all that stuff. And they've said that they don't even really relate to the more feminine homosexuals. They've said they don't even find them attractive.
Originally posted by tigris67 Meh. I go to an Art college and alot of the students "ARE" gay here. mostly the male, but some female too. I have been hit on 4 times this whole year(freshmen year) and I must say it can be uncomfortable. One time when I declined, the guy asked me if he could still walk with me and hold my hand for a bit....uhh,, I basically told him I was in no way shape or form attracted to men, and I certainly was not going to hold his hand....
Just tell him "I'm sorry Bongo, I'm strictly butter side up"
And since it will be locked anyways...
WHAT?! Gay people in an Art college?? The damn you say! I must have gotten on the direct express bus to Crazyland!
Originally posted by janjanson upallnight you sound ok, but if I was working with you would you refer to me as ducky, or love etc Would you speak to me in a camp high pitched voice? I had to put up with that at work once, and I can tell you, it is annoying as hell. If you are just gay, then no probs, but if you are then going to crack sexual innuendos in every conversation and act like a moron, well I will treat you like moron... then probably be called a homophobe, which I am not. It is like sexual harassment really, and I bet it causes a lot of homophobia, I really wanted to punch this one person I was working with. Things like a piccy of your boyfriend on your desk etc or mentioning occasionally your other half, like straight people do would be ok to me, I don't find the concept of homosexuality uncomfortable. upallnight I would encourage you to stop feeling ashamed for your sexuality and just come out to everyone, then you will know who your friends are etc but plz dont "camp it up" at least not at work hehe
Those aren't the kind of gay people I relate to. I think the post that Reavo made above pretty much sums it up.
There's a dirty little secret that the gay community knows about. The really feminine acting homosexuals and the straight acting gays don't usually get along too well. I'm not saying that we fight or whatever, but we don't usually hang around with each other.
I don't have anything in common with the feminine acting gays, other than I prefer men over women. And I definitely wouldn't consider dating a feminine acting guy. If I like girly acting men then why not just go out with girls. lol.
Another little secret is that all those flambuoyant displays you see are a minority of the gay community. And personally, when I see stuff like a gay pride parade on t.v., I wish to myself that they would show normal gay people and not the ones that look like they're at Mardi Gras all year.
I promise you, if you ever met me you would never know I was gay until I told you. I know this for a fact because everyone I've ever told didn't believe me at first. Including other gay people.
As far as feeling ashamed. I would say that sometimes no matter what you just can't help it. I mean everywhere you turn in society you have someone cutting you down. Especially if you do act straight. You wouldn't believe how many fag jokes I hear everyday from people thinking they're doing the dude talk with another straight guy. I just laugh it off, but down inside I wonder if the person I'm talking to would still be my friend if they knew the truth. And lately it seems like the whole christian community has declared open season on us.
gay, straight, there is really no difference, there is good ppl and bad ppl, i just think everybody should be entitled to the same rights, and to the same freedom of speech. Why be bothered about the gay ppl talking about their "escapades" while most of the straight ppl at work will talk about every women they saw and/or did... i think we are all pretty much the same.
and i also think the topic is somewhat offensive, if i said something like Blacks are OK or Latinos are OK, then you can really feel how offensive it is, you are already separating a group of individuals and then tagging them as OK, like they are all the same... or like shouldnt they be OK ?...
As far as the adoption part i saw in the posts, i really dont know why ppl continue to take rights out of other ppl, what makes them believe straight ppl are better parents than gay people, and as far as kids making jokes about other kids parents being gay, the problem isnt the kids, it's the parents that teach them that harrassing gays is ok, and that will make sick jokes in front of there kids.
And for last, for the religious zealots here i go, in the new testament Jesus abolish the old testament rules and never said anything about how homosexuality is wrong he was more concerned about things like everybody should love each other and be tolerant... , the only passages that state something are mostly the bible writers (yeah someone wrote it ) opinion and put it in the same sins as cheating his wife.... i guess Clinton is going to hell and a lot of married couples too .
Well that's all for my ranting, and it's all my opinion, doesnt mean i am right, after all, i m only human
I dont hate people who are gay, how can a person hate someone for being gay, however I dont agree with the gay life style or in other words Alternative Life Style.
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Bumper sticker wisdom, if I yawned any harder they'd have to give it a name. Firggin pathetic world where so many people think you can sum up something as deep as parenthood in ten words or less.
If you've ever actually raised kids, what you'd already know is that kids want a mommy and a daddy. And they want them still married, and still living together in the house the kids get dropped off in front of by the school bus.
Gays, by and large, don't want children. Which is to say, they aren't concerened with the children themselves. They are simply looking for a new accessory, a new possession in their life. They have a car, a house, a stereo, a TV, now they want a kid.
Ask a kid what he/she wants sometime. That's what matters.
Gay people are ok. Along as they don't tell you and as long as they don't try to hit on you. I hate the way, that if you reject them, they think and moan about how you don't respect(note that this only applies to some gays)
My best friend is gay.
It's really weird when he talks about who he is dating and stuff....I don't really want to know about that. I tell him that I'm not really interested who he finds. Most of them freakin' flip me out, he doesn't seem gay if you hang around with him and junk.
My school is pretty much open to all gays.
Like 10 in our school, and almost 13 lesbians.
You think they would date each other but....no.
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Strait guys might get annoyed or offended when a gay guy hits on you, but you cannot blame them for it because its simply not their fault considering they don't know if you are or not(to them, anyone could appear gay I guess, and they just want to try their luck). One of my friends who is female said I should be flattered that its happened to me so much because she thinks they have good taste in men haha, I still find it creepy though
BTW this thread is most likely going to be locked soon. Its getting a bit too contiversial.
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I have nothing against gays, what two consenting adults do to each other in private is none of my concern.
What annoys me is gay men who are camp in innapropiate situations, like work, it would be like me mentioning my sexuality in every conversation I have. Yes men do think about sex a lot, but most of us are capable of having a serious conversation without constantly referring to it etc.
Also I have to say from my personal experience, and this is a shame, but I have never met a gay man who wasn't a completely self obsessed and nasty. The things I have heard gay men say, , slagging of straight and bisexuals etc just because you are in the minority means you can be offensive?
I expect they have a lot of emotional baggage from encountering homophobia throughout their lives, I just have yet to meet one who has risen above it, well maybe I did but consequently wasn't aware they were gay.
But I am not homophobic, and I know there are lots of nice people out there who are not jerks of all types of sexuality.
Im a 12 year old.. I do have straight parents n let me tell u that nearly everyone here hates gay ppl... kids get bullied in school n u dont know it (usually if you have preteen-teen kids)
you wouldnt give a person flamebait here would you?
why dyou wanna give kids flamebait?
There's a surplus of children, and not enough people who want to adopt.
I think it's marginally better for the child to be adopted by a gay couple, than not to be adopted at all.
Hohbein is right. Apparently we are giving Hardcorebass a stiffy by posting in his thread here. You guys are giving him the impression that he belongs here at his age.
Try this place Hardcorebass: My Space
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Bumper sticker wisdom, if I yawned any harder they'd have to give it a name. Firggin pathetic world where so many people think you can sum up something as deep as parenthood in ten words or less.
If you've ever actually raised kids,
Oh wow..aren't you presumptuous.
I'm a married father of two children: a 7 yr old and a 3yr old.
Now...don't you look silly...hehe
what you'd already know is that kids want a mommy and a daddy. And
they want them still married, and still living together in the house
the kids get dropped off in front of by the school bus.
You should really stop pretending you know what all kids want.
What I do know is that children who are in loving families tend to do better in life. If pressed, I'll be happy to back that up since there have been numerous studies done on it.
Gays, by and large, don't want children.
prove it. you can't because this is just your belief
hich is to say, they aren't concerened with the children themselves. They are simply looking for a new accessory, a new possession in their life. They have a car, a house, a stereo, a TV, now they want a kid.
I bet you're just assuming what you believe gay people want. Much like you assumed that I'm not a family guy. You should really stop doing that since you're not very good at it.
And it's too bad, a lot of other people do this too. They use their irrational beliefs to vote for politicians who push for laws that keep others from being happy.
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I don't flaunt my sexuality. I've only told a few of my closest friends. And everyone of them I've told didn't know until I let them. But honestly, it sucks to have to hide who you are.
I understand that it's just the way society is. But that only makes me realize the reality of the whole thing. It doesn't help with the feelings of shame and guilt that I have to deal with. Logically, I know that those feelings aren't reasonable things to feel, but emotionally I wish people knew the truth about me and other gay people.
There is nothing fun about being gay. It's not something I ever wanted. I would change in a heartbeat. The only thing I would ask is that I get to remember the lessons I've learned from being this way.
I respect the fact that it makes other people uncomfortable at this point in societal evolution. That's why I keep to myself. But I can understand where some gay people are just fed up with hiding. It's not just hiding your sexuality, but also hiding your love and your commitment to another individual.
Like I said, just imagine having to hide that you were married or dating. That's something that is a special thing in your life. And it's a human experience that should be admired, not ridiculed or shamed. How many people do you know at work that keep a picture of their wife or girlfriend on their desk?
I would be happy to hear about your love for your girlfriend or wife. Why should my love be any different?
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To Laserwolf and Hobhein: I just made this thread to say that I bother if someone is gay, and I just wanted to hear the opions of the others, k? Because this item is hot in the society, there are so many people talking about this, this subject can't be ignored. Thats what I wanted to say.
upallnight you sound ok, but if I was working with you would you refer to me as ducky, or love etc Would you speak to me in a camp high pitched voice?
I had to put up with that at work once, and I can tell you, it is annoying as hell.
If you are just gay, then no probs, but if you are then going to crack sexual innuendos in every conversation and act like a moron, well I will treat you like moron... then probably be called a homophobe, which I am not.
It is like sexual harassment really, and I bet it causes a lot of homophobia, I really wanted to punch this one person I was working with.
Things like a piccy of your boyfriend on your desk etc or mentioning occasionally your other half, like straight people do would be ok to me, I don't find the concept of homosexuality uncomfortable.
upallnight I would encourage you to stop feeling ashamed for your sexuality and just come out to everyone, then you will know who your friends are etc but plz dont "camp it up" at least not at work hehe
So I thought about it one day. I am convinced, by what I've heard and what I've considered, that being gay is not a choice. I think there are some bisexual people who try being gay but move away from it and say they've changed to straight, but I don't think they've really changed. That would be like me becoming gay, which is absurd.
Anyways, why would some people be very gay, but not act feminine and others would be very gay and act straight? And you can even see it in small children if you pay attention. Some kids act more masculine than others even at a young age.
I think that there may be two or more reasons people turn out gay. There have been studies that say there are certain traits that show up in gay people and other traits that show up in other gay people. These traits have been traced back to things like the mother being under emotional stress during pregnancy to the amount of sex hormones the fetus is exposed to before birth.
I wonder if perhaps that's the reason they've had so much debate on the cause of homosexuality. It may be multiple prenatal events in the womb that some fetuses are exposed to and others aren't. I mean, just look at the studies done with Folic Acid and the mental and nervous system development of fetuses. It could even be something to do with the mothers nutrition while she is pregnant.
In any event, I think this may be why some gay people relate more to men and still doing "manly" things, like hunting, fishing, sports, etc. While other gay men have a more feminine style.
All I can say is that my gay friends that act straight like to do exactly the same things I do. They lift weights, play sports, all that stuff. And they've said that they don't even really relate to the more feminine homosexuals. They've said they don't even find them attractive.
Just a thought.
Just tell him "I'm sorry Bongo, I'm strictly butter side up"
And since it will be locked anyways...
WHAT?! Gay people in an Art college?? The damn you say! I must have gotten on the direct express bus to Crazyland!
There's a dirty little secret that the gay community knows about. The really feminine acting homosexuals and the straight acting gays don't usually get along too well. I'm not saying that we fight or whatever, but we don't usually hang around with each other.
I don't have anything in common with the feminine acting gays, other than I prefer men over women. And I definitely wouldn't consider dating a feminine acting guy. If I like girly acting men then why not just go out with girls. lol.
Another little secret is that all those flambuoyant displays you see are a minority of the gay community. And personally, when I see stuff like a gay pride parade on t.v., I wish to myself that they would show normal gay people and not the ones that look like they're at Mardi Gras all year.
I promise you, if you ever met me you would never know I was gay until I told you. I know this for a fact because everyone I've ever told didn't believe me at first. Including other gay people.
As far as feeling ashamed. I would say that sometimes no matter what you just can't help it. I mean everywhere you turn in society you have someone cutting you down. Especially if you do act straight. You wouldn't believe how many fag jokes I hear everyday from people thinking they're doing the dude talk with another straight guy. I just laugh it off, but down inside I wonder if the person I'm talking to would still be my friend if they knew the truth. And lately it seems like the whole christian community has declared open season on us.
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gay, straight, there is really no difference, there is good ppl and bad ppl, i just think everybody should be entitled to the same rights, and to the same freedom of speech. Why be bothered about the gay ppl talking about their "escapades" while most of the straight ppl at work will talk about every women they saw and/or did... i think we are all pretty much the same.
and i also think the topic is somewhat offensive, if i said something like Blacks are OK or Latinos are OK, then you can really feel how offensive it is, you are already separating a group of individuals and then tagging them as OK, like they are all the same... or like shouldnt they be OK ?...
As far as the adoption part i saw in the posts, i really dont know why ppl continue to take rights out of other ppl, what makes them believe straight ppl are better parents than gay people, and as far as kids making jokes about other kids parents being gay, the problem isnt the kids, it's the parents that teach them that harrassing gays is ok, and that will make sick jokes in front of there kids.
And for last, for the religious zealots here i go, in the new testament Jesus abolish the old testament rules and never said anything about how homosexuality is wrong he was more concerned about things like everybody should love each other and be tolerant... , the only passages that state something are mostly the bible writers (yeah someone wrote it
) opinion and put it in the same sins as cheating his wife.... i guess Clinton is going to hell 
and a lot of married couples too 
.
Well that's all for my ranting, and it's all my opinion, doesnt mean i am right, after all, i m only human
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