NCSoft Delays Throne and Liberty into 2023 and Confirms Search for Global Publishing Partner | MMORP

System · August 2022

NCSoft Delays Throne and Liberty into 2023 and Confirms Search for Global Publishing Partner | MMORPG.com

NCSoft revealed its Q2 2022 financials and confirmed that Throne and Liberty has been moved into 2023 and they're looking for a global distribution partner.

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Shutara · August 2022

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.
Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Tiller · August 2022

I assumed this would happen. Oh well I have other games to play for now.

ashiru_1978 · August 2022

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

Shutara · August 2022

ashiru_1978 said:

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

"Ashes of Creation is likely to be a stunning piece of success."

Here, have another pointless sentence that will age either well or not. And don't even drag me into discussion about why it will or will not be a crap, because You're just a skeptical whiner and I'm just waiting for release to see if they deliver, and similar to me, You don't know sh1t about what's going on behind the scenes to back these sentences up, so let's stick to our delusions with dignity, shall we?

Groqstrong · August 2022

Dang it was really hoping for it this year.

Zutch · August 2022

Shutara said:

ashiru_1978 said:

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

"Ashes of Creation is likely to be a stunning piece of success."

Here, have another pointless sentence that will age either well or not.
And don't even drag me into discussion about why it will or will not be a crap, because You're just a skeptical whiner and I'm just waiting for release to see if they deliver, and similar to me, You don't know sh1t about what's going on behind the scenes to back these sentences up, so let's stick to our delusions with dignity, shall we?

To be fair The game has been in development for so long meanwhile selling exorbitant packages and skins.

The game it self is nothing special from what I've seen. Besides the graphics quality that'd probably require high end hardware to run which is quite bad for an MMO if the vast majority can't run the game smoothly on budget hardware.
This is how WoW stayed relevant, it kept updating it's graphics iteratively while allowing old hardware to run it smoothly.
You cannot say the same for UE5.

Besides What does ashes provide that current games don't? Nothing.

That's why it's a pile of crap.

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Scot · August 2022

It may be delayed until 2023 but we can still post about it, there is that.

Slapshot1188 · August 2022

Scot said:

It may be delayed until 2023 but we can still post about it, there is that.

Often these games provide the most fun pre-launch.

KroxMalon · August 2022

Pleeeeaaassseee not Amazon, Netmarble, or any other piece of shit publisher ready to rinse our wallets and add big pink bunny ears into the game.

Scot · August 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

It may be delayed until 2023 but we can still post about it, there is that.

Often these games provide the most fun pre-launch.

I was actually referring to the fact that some pre-launched games are being treat like sacred cows and we cannot post about them or the thread soon gets closed down. But I see what you mean, this is not up there with CoE or anything like that though.

Shutara · August 2022

Zutch said:

Shutara said:

ashiru_1978 said:

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

"Ashes of Creation is likely to be a stunning piece of success."

Here, have another pointless sentence that will age either well or not.

And don't even drag me into discussion about why it will or will not be a crap, because You're just a skeptical whiner and I'm just waiting for release to see if they deliver, and similar to me, You don't know sh1t about what's going on behind the scenes to back these sentences up, so let's stick to our delusions with dignity, shall we?

To be fair The game has been in development for so long meanwhile selling exorbitant packages and skins.

The game it self is nothing special from what I've seen. Besides the graphics quality that'd probably require high end hardware to run which is quite bad for an MMO if the vast majority can't run the game smoothly on budget hardware.

This is how WoW stayed relevant, it kept updating it's graphics iteratively while allowing old hardware to run it smoothly.

You cannot say the same for UE5.

Besides What does ashes provide that current games don't? Nothing.

That's why it's a pile of crap.

I hate when people spread stupidity, so I'll step in again. Man, at this point you are either hopeless beyond comprehension or trolling xd

So long in development? They Kickstarted (already funded) in mid-2017. Just look up other major mmorpgs' development time and compare to Intrepid, starting with relatively smaller workforce and (their fault tho) having to rewrite backend code after Apocalypse.

As for talking shit about engine without even seeing it's capabilities...UE5 is new and You cannot confirm nor deny its scalability power, so allow me to say - you're talking out of your ass. They showcased UE4 on-screen capabilities without huge performance chokes long ago, so it's really naive to assume it won't be optimised even better upon launch. And if you want 20 years old machines to run modern games, then it's a joke. If someone cannot afford mediocre hardware nowadays, let him stick to cartoonish WoW if it's so player-friendly.

Nothing special?

Just take the node and weather systems alone. If executed properly they could provide 10x more immersive content than all your favourite rinse and repeat MMORPGs combined. Saying it brings nothing to the table, that other games haven't before is pure ignorance, of which I'm not surprised here, though.

And moaning about cosmetics packs with currency for even more cosmetics in 2022, really? Does it hurt you that other people wanna spend on skins and play fashion wars? Damn.

And I'm not even a backer high on hopium, I'm just cautiously optimistic for a game that has potential, and up to date with their streams so I actually know what this game is about unlike You. You can laugh all you want, and it might actually fail because who knows, but if this game turns out as advertised, I cannot wait to see y'all foaming from happiness whilst playing it day-1 with others, as if hate train never existed.

\_(ツ)_/¯

Scot · August 2022

Shutara said:

Zutch said:

Shutara said:

ashiru_1978 said:

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

"Ashes of Creation is likely to be a stunning piece of success."

Here, have another pointless sentence that will age either well or not.

And don't even drag me into discussion about why it will or will not be a crap, because You're just a skeptical whiner and I'm just waiting for release to see if they deliver, and similar to me, You don't know sh1t about what's going on behind the scenes to back these sentences up, so let's stick to our delusions with dignity, shall we?

To be fair The game has been in development for so long meanwhile selling exorbitant packages and skins.

The game it self is nothing special from what I've seen. Besides the graphics quality that'd probably require high end hardware to run which is quite bad for an MMO if the vast majority can't run the game smoothly on budget hardware.

This is how WoW stayed relevant, it kept updating it's graphics iteratively while allowing old hardware to run it smoothly.

You cannot say the same for UE5.

Besides What does ashes provide that current games don't? Nothing.

That's why it's a pile of crap.

I hate when people spread stupidity, so I'll step in again. Man, at this point you are either hopeless beyond comprehension or trolling xd

So long in development? They Kickstarted (already funded) in mid-2017. Just look up other major mmorpgs' development time and compare to Intrepid, starting with relatively smaller workforce and (their fault tho) having to rewrite backend code after Apocalypse.

As for talking shit about engine without even seeing it's capabilities...UE5 is new and You cannot confirm nor deny its scalability power, so allow me to say - you're talking out of your ass. They showcased UE4 on-screen capabilities without huge performance chokes long ago, so it's really naive to assume it won't be optimised even better upon launch. And if you want 20 years old machines to run modern games, then it's a joke. If someone cannot afford mediocre hardware nowadays, let him stick to cartoonish WoW if it's so player-friendly.

Nothing special?

Just take the node and weather systems alone. If executed properly they could provide 10x more immersive content than all your favourite rinse and repeat MMORPGs combined. Saying it brings nothing to the table, that other games haven't before is pure ignorance, of which I'm not surprised here, though.

And moaning about cosmetics packs with currency for even more cosmetics in 2022, really? Does it hurt you that other people wanna spend on skins and play fashion wars? Damn.

And I'm not even a backer high on hopium, I'm just cautiously optimistic for a game that has potential, and up to date with their streams so I actually know what this game is about unlike You. You can laugh all you want, and it might actually fail because who knows, but if this game turns out as advertised, I cannot wait to see y'all foaming from happiness whilst playing it day-1 with others, as if hate train never existed.

\_(ツ)_/¯

This certainly happens, if we think a game is going to be below par and it ends up being great, we rush in and all is forgiven. But for that to happen it does have to launch and be great, only time will tell.

Slapshot1188 · August 2022

Scot said:

Shutara said:

Zutch said:

Shutara said:

ashiru_1978 said:

Shutara said:

Take all the time You need, although I'm a bit disappointed - was timidly hoping for TL to fill the void until Ashes of Creation releases, sooner than later.

Anyway - fingers crossed that they nail the publishing side. If it falls into the hands of Amazon, I sincerely hope they will at least try to learn from previous mistakes and publish a game properly this time.

Ashes of Creation is likely to be a disappointing piece of crap.

"Ashes of Creation is likely to be a stunning piece of success."

Here, have another pointless sentence that will age either well or not.

And don't even drag me into discussion about why it will or will not be a crap, because You're just a skeptical whiner and I'm just waiting for release to see if they deliver, and similar to me, You don't know sh1t about what's going on behind the scenes to back these sentences up, so let's stick to our delusions with dignity, shall we?

To be fair The game has been in development for so long meanwhile selling exorbitant packages and skins.

The game it self is nothing special from what I've seen. Besides the graphics quality that'd probably require high end hardware to run which is quite bad for an MMO if the vast majority can't run the game smoothly on budget hardware.

This is how WoW stayed relevant, it kept updating it's graphics iteratively while allowing old hardware to run it smoothly.

You cannot say the same for UE5.

Besides What does ashes provide that current games don't? Nothing.

That's why it's a pile of crap.

I hate when people spread stupidity, so I'll step in again. Man, at this point you are either hopeless beyond comprehension or trolling xd

So long in development? They Kickstarted (already funded) in mid-2017. Just look up other major mmorpgs' development time and compare to Intrepid, starting with relatively smaller workforce and (their fault tho) having to rewrite backend code after Apocalypse.

As for talking shit about engine without even seeing it's capabilities...UE5 is new and You cannot confirm nor deny its scalability power, so allow me to say - you're talking out of your ass. They showcased UE4 on-screen capabilities without huge performance chokes long ago, so it's really naive to assume it won't be optimised even better upon launch. And if you want 20 years old machines to run modern games, then it's a joke. If someone cannot afford mediocre hardware nowadays, let him stick to cartoonish WoW if it's so player-friendly.

Nothing special?

Just take the node and weather systems alone. If executed properly they could provide 10x more immersive content than all your favourite rinse and repeat MMORPGs combined. Saying it brings nothing to the table, that other games haven't before is pure ignorance, of which I'm not surprised here, though.

And moaning about cosmetics packs with currency for even more cosmetics in 2022, really? Does it hurt you that other people wanna spend on skins and play fashion wars? Damn.

And I'm not even a backer high on hopium, I'm just cautiously optimistic for a game that has potential, and up to date with their streams so I actually know what this game is about unlike You. You can laugh all you want, and it might actually fail because who knows, but if this game turns out as advertised, I cannot wait to see y'all foaming from happiness whilst playing it day-1 with others, as if hate train never existed.

\_(ツ)_/¯

This certainly happens, if we think a game is going to be below par and it ends up being great, we rush in and all is forgiven. But for that to happen it does have to launch and be great, only time will tell.

When has that ever happened?

TheDalaiBomba · August 2022

Shutara said:

I hate when people spread stupidity, so I'll step in again. Man, at this point you are either hopeless beyond comprehension or trolling xd

So long in development? They Kickstarted (already funded) in mid-2017. Just look up other major mmorpgs' development time and compare to Intrepid, starting with relatively smaller workforce and (their fault tho) having to rewrite backend code after Apocalypse.

As for talking shit about engine without even seeing it's capabilities...UE5 is new and You cannot confirm nor deny its scalability power, so allow me to say - you're talking out of your ass. They showcased UE4 on-screen capabilities without huge performance chokes long ago, so it's really naive to assume it won't be optimised even better upon launch. And if you want 20 years old machines to run modern games, then it's a joke. If someone cannot afford mediocre hardware nowadays, let him stick to cartoonish WoW if it's so player-friendly.

Nothing special?

Just take the node and weather systems alone. If executed properly they could provide 10x more immersive content than all your favourite rinse and repeat MMORPGs combined. Saying it brings nothing to the table, that other games haven't before is pure ignorance, of which I'm not surprised here, though.

And moaning about cosmetics packs with currency for even more cosmetics in 2022, really? Does it hurt you that other people wanna spend on skins and play fashion wars? Damn.

And I'm not even a backer high on hopium, I'm just cautiously optimistic for a game that has potential, and up to date with their streams so I actually know what this game is about unlike You. You can laugh all you want, and it might actually fail because who knows, but if this game turns out as advertised, I cannot wait to see y'all foaming from happiness whilst playing it day-1 with others, as if hate train never existed.

\_(ツ)_/¯

Stop with the personal attacks. I stopped reading your post after that because it isn't worth my time. So congrats, you destroyed any interest I have in even reading your opinion. There are objectively better posters here for me to read if you can't lay off that shit.

Shutara · August 2022

TheDalaiBomba said:

Shutara said:

I hate when people spread stupidity, so I'll step in again. Man, at this point you are either hopeless beyond comprehension or trolling xd

So long in development? They Kickstarted (already funded) in mid-2017. Just look up other major mmorpgs' development time and compare to Intrepid, starting with relatively smaller workforce and (their fault tho) having to rewrite backend code after Apocalypse.

As for talking shit about engine without even seeing it's capabilities...UE5 is new and You cannot confirm nor deny its scalability power, so allow me to say - you're talking out of your ass. They showcased UE4 on-screen capabilities without huge performance chokes long ago, so it's really naive to assume it won't be optimised even better upon launch. And if you want 20 years old machines to run modern games, then it's a joke. If someone cannot afford mediocre hardware nowadays, let him stick to cartoonish WoW if it's so player-friendly.

Nothing special?

Just take the node and weather systems alone. If executed properly they could provide 10x more immersive content than all your favourite rinse and repeat MMORPGs combined. Saying it brings nothing to the table, that other games haven't before is pure ignorance, of which I'm not surprised here, though.

And moaning about cosmetics packs with currency for even more cosmetics in 2022, really? Does it hurt you that other people wanna spend on skins and play fashion wars? Damn.

And I'm not even a backer high on hopium, I'm just cautiously optimistic for a game that has potential, and up to date with their streams so I actually know what this game is about unlike You. You can laugh all you want, and it might actually fail because who knows, but if this game turns out as advertised, I cannot wait to see y'all foaming from happiness whilst playing it day-1 with others, as if hate train never existed.

\_(ツ)_/¯

Stop with the personal attacks. I stopped reading your post after that because it isn't worth my time. So congrats, you destroyed any interest I have in even reading your opinion. There are objectively better posters here for me to read if you can't lay off that shit.

Oh no, I've destroyed Your interest in my opinion...Well, I'm sorry for having disgusted Your chastity with legitimately assuming someone's acting like an ignorant or fool according to his attitude, lol. I honestly don't care whether You waste Your precious time reading my actual input or talking like a model of virtues

worldsbestdad said:

Fixed it for ya

Thanks man, Your immensely useful help by inserting those irrefutable facts came just in time, before somebody actually stopped being impartial. Oh wait

And yeah, I can agree that they're behind their original schedule, but You know what? Look around, we're living in sad times of major games being delayed on a monthly basis. I'd rather have more ambitious game later, than another cash grab/uninspired clone.

And Your "took everyone's money and ran" is even more laughable, since You're trying to compare a case like CoE to a fully funded project that makes additional $ on a FOMO and pretty skins to further expand their development team. Which they do. If that is a scam, it's honestly a terrible one in execution

Here, fixed it for ya too.

Slapshot1188 · August 2022

Shutara said:

a fully funded project

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any evidence to that statement. When Stephen was asked he always avoided a direct answer.

If anything, the constant push of sales seems to indicate the opposite.

But whatever. At the end of the day they will either launch a title or they won't. And if they do, then everyone gets to see if it's any good.

The truth ALWAYS comes out at the end. One way or another.

Shutara · August 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

Shutara said:

a fully funded project

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any evidence to that statement. When Stephen was asked he always avoided a direct answer.

If anything, the constant push of sales seems to indicate the opposite.

But whatever. At the end of the day they will either launch a title or they won't. And if they do, then everyone gets to see if it's any good.

The truth ALWAYS comes out at the end. One way or another.

Yeah, "fully funded" that comes out of the owner's mouth - it's always good to take it with a grain of salt; I was just stating what's the "official" version is. Yet, no predatory actions on that front. He's often emphasizing "not to buy alpha/beta if You want a finished experience, just wait", which is fair for a regular player without redundant money or someone who doesn't want to play unpolished version of a product.

And yeah, I also agree that "we will see" and nothing is for certain at this point, aside from previously shown content and crumbs of information. There's still plenty to speculate on, but at least they're trying to maintain relatively fair communication. They are still yet to show some major systems (like naval mechanics/content) and of course they cannot have major reveals each month if they haven't finished working things out (i.e. reworked skills and combat), but oh well, once persistent Alpha2 rolls out, then there will be something new to judge.

I'm just allergic to people shitting on a project "because I know, trust me", especially without solid argumentation behind their logic, sometimes based on previous MMOs simply not delivering on their desires.

I'm just wondering how many players were turned off or took the same approach due to that and strayed off some cool games in the end.

And yet I'm being treated as if I inhaled all the copium in the world and tried to persuade everyone around about AoC being our savior for the upcoming decade, but I just see a potentially good sandbox'ish game on a horizon that might as well turn out a failure. We will see, no point overhyping/discouraging it for no solid reason

TheDalaiBomba · August 2022

Well, that was a fast and easy ignore.

Xiaoki · August 2022

Groqstrong said:

Dang it was really hoping for it this year.

We have very little information or actual gameplay footage and you really still believed that it was going to release in the next 4 months?

Any resultant disappointment is your own fault here.

Slapshot1188 · August 2022

Shutara said:

Yet, no predatory actions on that front. He's often emphasizing "not to buy alpha/beta if You want a finished experience, just wait",

OK two points here:

1. He says "not to buy" anything for the game, but then pushes limited time sales with a FOMO. Actions that directly contrast with that statement. If I say you shouldn't buy this unless you are OK with risk... but then push regular shinnies at you which are going to disappear in 30 days... well... actions speak louder than words. Is that predatory? IMHO using FOMO pressure is predatory. You may have a different take.

2. ALL these companies say the same thing. I'm sure I can find quotes from CoE. I KNOW I can find them from Saga of Lucimia (now Embers) and Camelot Unchained. At least those last 2 backed it up by not having limited time sales though (see #1 above).

Folks are rightfully skeptical of ALL game promises at this point. They ALL over promise and under deliver. They ALL set unrealistic timelines. They ALL set ridiculous budgets. Do I HOPE that AoC launches, and is a fantastic experience? Sure I do! But have I seen anything to indicate it is going to end up better than those that came before? Not really. They have fallen into many of the same pits that their competitors have fallen into.

But heck... as anyone around here can attest to, I'm an eternal optimist. So someday they might release, and on that day we will see if they deliver.

Kyleran · August 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

Shutara said:

a fully funded project

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any evidence to that statement. When Stephen was asked he always avoided a direct answer.

If anything, the constant push of sales seems to indicate the opposite.

But whatever. At the end of the day they will either launch a title or they won't. And if they do, then everyone gets to see if it's any good.

The truth ALWAYS comes out at the end. One way or another.

Even if they thought they were fully funded, likely that was using projections and burndown rates based on the original launch date of 2020.

Two years later they accepted two rounds of PPP loans, relentlessly pushed round after round of new cosmetics, opened up additional pledge packages which were sold to provide access to alpha testing rounds.

The signs are clear, they are many years from being launch ready, 2025 is the optimistic view, and they need more funding to cover the overruns.

Also, be careful, Harbingers are not optimistic, you risk excommunication Slap.

Scot · August 2022

Kyleran said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Shutara said:

a fully funded project

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any evidence to that statement. When Stephen was asked he always avoided a direct answer.

If anything, the constant push of sales seems to indicate the opposite.

But whatever. At the end of the day they will either launch a title or they won't. And if they do, then everyone gets to see if it's any good.

The truth ALWAYS comes out at the end. One way or another.

Even if they thought they were fully funded, likely that was using projections and burndown rates based on the original launch date of 2020.

Two years later they accepted two rounds of PPP loans, relentlessly pushed round after round of new cosmetics, opened up additional pledge packages which were sold to provide access to alpha testing rounds.

The signs are clear, they are many years from being launch ready, 2025 is the optimistic view, and they need more funding to cover the overruns.

Also, be careful, Harbingers are not optimistic, you risk excommunication Slap.

His force has been negative lately, but we all need some positive MMO news really.

"The game is on schedule for launch, fully polished and we didn't even have an EA or charge players to P2W"

That would be music to our gaming headsets!

GatsuZerk · August 2022

Some of you children take this stuff way too seriously. Cringe Lord Shutara, give it a rest.

Groqstrong · August 2022

Xiaoki said:

Groqstrong said:

Dang it was really hoping for it this year.

We have very little information or actual gameplay footage and you really still believed that it was going to release in the next 4 months?

Any resultant disappointment is your own fault here.

I know plenty about the game, you must not. Development started in 2011 as Lineage Eternal then changed course to Project TL in 2017. Sure the game changed but that doesn't mean assets from LE wouldn't have moved over to TL. Plus you have TL in development for at least 5 years, so ya I don't think its unreasonable to have HOPED it released this year. After 11 years of development between the two versions if the Ncosft said it was going to release 2nd half 2022 yes i would believe it. Also more likely the game is done and its either more time to polish or figure out who would be publishing.

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