Haven't you all realised that Ralphie is just trolling this site?
He's better at it than most, i'll give him that, but its still trolling. I mean, he's come to a niche gaming website, to a forum populated by gaming fans, in order to tell us all that the hobby we all enjoy is pointless and that we're all losers if we view games as anything other than a way to kill time.
Just add him to your ignore list and move on (unless u enjoy the forum pvp ofc, then whatever, enjoy urselves!)
Maybe it more matter of not realizing who is trolling who?
He can't handle being trolled, my ban is proof of that.
He's honestly just lucky the moderation here is completely report-based.
It is a great way to reveal hypocrisy and the lies people tell to themselves, that is why this thread was created after my previous thread about elitists deluding themselves they are better to the point they feel entitled to dictate design direction.
Am I expecting that I will change the minds of people here? People who often circlejerk about how terrible new casual mmos are and how great le forced social mmos of the past that lacked countless quality of life improvements,
Of course not, but it can be used as a great example of how they react when faced with something outside their bubble, their brain literally refuses to comprehend something as basic as what I am often explaining and it isnt really a surprise from my perspective, people who have put their self worth in something as fragile as video games of course dont want to see video games as something not serious and just for casual fun because suddenly their entire self worth would disappear. Some cant even see the illusion of challenge that is specifically crafted to be part of video games hence why they obsess so hard over skill in a video game xD
Hence the reactions we see, the point is to show to people outside the bubble, how people who take video games very seriously react to even very basic facts about video games.
You see I have absolutely no issue with video games, after all I spend a lot of time with them, difference is I dont use them as my source of self worth so basic things like "everyone has access to max ilvl item in order to do the highest numbers" is not a scary one, nor is treating being reminded that killing a video game boss that was designed to be beaten and gives you giant visual clues as to its next action hurtful, because I know how games work so I know not to consider this somekind of achievement of value and base my self worth on it.
But like I said in previous posts, hardcore gamers are not the most healthy, the very fact that they are focused on "winning" a VIDEO GAME kinda screams that from the start.
Yours is what I call ‘masturbatory posting,’ where the only reason you post anything at all is to pleasure yourself. You are your own, extremely smug, audience, you don’t need or care about any of the other people here, as long as you can spout your gospel. I would just use a mirror and stop typing, all responses are just noise disrupting your monologue.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
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'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Haven't you all realised that Ralphie is just trolling this site?
He's better at it than most, i'll give him that, but its still trolling. I mean, he's come to a niche gaming website, to a forum populated by gaming fans, in order to tell us all that the hobby we all enjoy is pointless and that we're all losers if we view games as anything other than a way to kill time.
Just add him to your ignore list and move on (unless u enjoy the forum pvp ofc, then whatever, enjoy urselves!)
I agree with you, but I also agree with his points. I think he's overstating it in terms of "health" just to rub it in a little.
My experience in Themepark games has been the same way, half good and half bad. Most of the "bad" has come from this Metabuild design (i.e. Themepark optimized) that's been polished to optimum levels. I don't know how many groups being formed eventually asked me to leave the group, or outright booted me, because I wasn't a metabuild. A few even explained to me that they couldn't get the group filled out because of my build, lol.
I do understand how some gamers like it as a game design, but to me it's boring and restrictive for my game play. I love those moments of realization and reaction to turn the tide of battle, which are not present in these prefabricated designs. For those who like it, I wouldn't call it "unhealthy" other than in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way (which I believe Ralphie is doing).
Haven't you all realised that Ralphie is just trolling this site?
He's better at it than most, i'll give him that, but its still trolling. I mean, he's come to a niche gaming website, to a forum populated by gaming fans, in order to tell us all that the hobby we all enjoy is pointless and that we're all losers if we view games as anything other than a way to kill time.
Just add him to your ignore list and move on (unless u enjoy the forum pvp ofc, then whatever, enjoy urselves!)
I agree with you, but I also agree with his points. I think he's overstating it in terms of "health" just to rub it in a little.
My experience in Themepark games has been the same way, half good and half bad. Most of the "bad" has come from this Metabuild design (i.e. Themepark optimized) that's been polished to optimum levels. I don't know how many groups being formed eventually asked me to leave the group, or outright booted me, because I wasn't a metabuild. A few even explained to me that they couldn't get the group filled out because of my build, lol.
I do understand how some gamers like it as a game design, but to me it's boring and restrictive for my game play. I love those moments of realization and reaction to turn the tide of battle, which are not present in these prefabricated designs. For those who like it, I wouldn't call it "unhealthy" other than in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way (which I believe Ralphie is doing).
No, he's not doing it in a tongue-in-cheek way. It's literally been his crusade for a few weeks now.
And even me, who agrees that many "theme parks" are boring and derivative design, isn't going to accept the, frankly, bizarre premises submitted by that poster.
That's been perhaps a big part of the problem with these arguments Ralph's levied the whole time.
I personally don't like raiding as it presently exists that much, but it's not about the reward. It's about the loss of gameplay diversity and loss of depth to a hyper-focus on meta for such a singular, and isolated, activity.
The focus on rewards and how to balance rewards against imbalanced gameplay, aside from being a fools errand, I see as little more than a symptom of a much broader game design problem.
Ralph's focus on it in particular, and the tendency to lean in at making negative personal assertions about other players in order to justify his beliefs, sours any ability to have a meaningful unpacking of the issue(s).
(snip) The focus on rewards and how to balance rewards against imbalanced gameplay, aside from being a fools errand, I see as little more than a symptom of a much broader game design problem.
(snip)
I agree. It's a design that's based on P+P designs for small groups, including the prefabricated, what were they called, Dungeon Modules?
Haven't you all realised that Ralphie is just trolling this site?
He's better at it than most, i'll give him that, but its still trolling. I mean, he's come to a niche gaming website, to a forum populated by gaming fans, in order to tell us all that the hobby we all enjoy is pointless and that we're all losers if we view games as anything other than a way to kill time.
Just add him to your ignore list and move on (unless u enjoy the forum pvp ofc, then whatever, enjoy urselves!)
I agree with you, but I also agree with his points. I think he's overstating it in terms of "health" just to rub it in a little.
My experience in Themepark games has been the same way, half good and half bad. Most of the "bad" has come from this Metabuild design (i.e. Themepark optimized) that's been polished to optimum levels. I don't know how many groups being formed eventually asked me to leave the group, or outright booted me, because I wasn't a metabuild. A few even explained to me that they couldn't get the group filled out because of my build, lol.
I do understand how some gamers like it as a game design, but to me it's boring and restrictive for my game play. I love those moments of realization and reaction to turn the tide of battle, which are not present in these prefabricated designs. For those who like it, I wouldn't call it "unhealthy" other than in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way (which I believe Ralphie is doing).
No, he's not doing it in a tongue-in-cheek way. It's literally been his crusade for a few weeks now.
And even me, who agrees that many "theme parks" are boring and derivative design, isn't going to accept the, frankly, bizarre premises submitted by that poster.
If I have time I may go back and look at them to see what you're talking about. I only skimmed and don't really remember.
Haven't you all realised that Ralphie is just trolling this site?
He's better at it than most, i'll give him that, but its still trolling. I mean, he's come to a niche gaming website, to a forum populated by gaming fans, in order to tell us all that the hobby we all enjoy is pointless and that we're all losers if we view games as anything other than a way to kill time.
Just add him to your ignore list and move on (unless u enjoy the forum pvp ofc, then whatever, enjoy urselves!)
I agree with you, but I also agree with his points. I think he's overstating it in terms of "health" just to rub it in a little.
My experience in Themepark games has been the same way, half good and half bad. Most of the "bad" has come from this Metabuild design (i.e. Themepark optimized) that's been polished to optimum levels. I don't know how many groups being formed eventually asked me to leave the group, or outright booted me, because I wasn't a metabuild. A few even explained to me that they couldn't get the group filled out because of my build, lol.
I do understand how some gamers like it as a game design, but to me it's boring and restrictive for my game play. I love those moments of realization and reaction to turn the tide of battle, which are not present in these prefabricated designs. For those who like it, I wouldn't call it "unhealthy" other than in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way (which I believe Ralphie is doing).
No, he's not doing it in a tongue-in-cheek way. It's literally been his crusade for a few weeks now.
And even me, who agrees that many "theme parks" are boring and derivative design, isn't going to accept the, frankly, bizarre premises submitted by that poster.
I tend to agree because this topic could have been discussed without all the acrimony that was caused by the deliberate framing of the players as having mental and esteem issues.
But that was not his aim. He could have written this in a different way and we could have had a very civil discussion but his aim was to insult, demean, devalue and reduce the contributions, efforts, time and enjoyment other players derive from this hobby. I think it was because it wasn't about discussing this topic at all but a pure ego trip with no real interest in discussion but a full on desire to make players who enjoy this part of the game feel bad. I doubt it had any real effect because it was far too transparent but he definitely tried.
I just read an article about the increase in slavery in the last couple of years. I wonder if they even considered all of these 'metaslaves' I would think not, because on one side people are forced to work in awful ways for no wages. However, do they know the real pain of trying to get that extra bit to kill your cyber enemy.
Can you provide us with a link to this video you mention Ralphie, so we can check it out for ourselves.
I mentioned several since it is not the first time an elitist high end tryhard youtuber cries about being called an elitist and goes on a rant about what a nice person they are without realizing how bad they are for the game by promoting their metaslaving attitude and unironically talking as if the ultimate goal of the game is to do high end content like them implying everything else is beneath them. They literally cant even realize what they are saying xD The lack of self awareness is quite hilarious to watch.
But the most recent one I watched with this exact theme that gave me the idea for this thread and the previous one can be found here:
Which I am certain you will find very normal and reasonable from your perspective and agree with him so I am not sure that will mean anything to you but feel free to watch it, this is exactly the video genre of "tryhard youtuber just cant comprehend why casuals call him elitist" which is one of my favourites genres for entertainment xd
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Can you provide us with a link to this video you mention Ralphie, so we can check it out for ourselves.
I mentioned several since it is not the first time an elitist high end tryhard youtuber cries about being called an elitist and goes on a rant about what a nice person they are without realizing how bad they are for the game by promoting their metaslaving attitude and unironically talking as if the ultimate goal of the game is to do high end content like them implying everything else is beneath them. They literally cant even realize what they are saying xD The lack of self awareness is quite hilarious to watch.
But the most recent one I watched with this exact theme that gave me the idea for this thread and the previous one can be found here:
Which I am certain you will find very normal and reasonable from your perspective and agree with him so I am not sure that will mean anything to you but feel free to watch it, this is exactly the video genre of "tryhard youtuber just cant comprehend why casuals call him elitist" which is one of my favourites genres for entertainment xd
I have to say I don't know how people have the patience to watch these videos. This fellow took ages to even begin to make his points. Let's hear about everything else other than the issues, let's hear about other streamers...yawn.
What he is talking about I summed up in another post earlier today, if a MMO has super easy casual PvE it is a huge leap to PvP/Open World/raiding. At least back in the day players did not get used to a cake walk, which makes you think that's how the game is always going to be.
He is also right that more complex and difficult play leads to more communication and therefore helps build community. Skipping around among the daises doing push over PvE does not do that.
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I think he's overstating it in terms of "health" just to rub it in a little.
My experience in Themepark games has been the same way, half good and half bad.
Most of the "bad" has come from this Metabuild design (i.e. Themepark optimized) that's been polished to optimum levels. I don't know how many groups being formed eventually asked me to leave the group, or outright booted me, because I wasn't a metabuild. A few even explained to me that they couldn't get the group filled out because of my build, lol.
I do understand how some gamers like it as a game design, but to me it's boring and restrictive for my game play.
I love those moments of realization and reaction to turn the tide of battle, which are not present in these prefabricated designs. For those who like it, I wouldn't call it "unhealthy" other than in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way (which I believe Ralphie is doing).
Once upon a time....
And even me, who agrees that many "theme parks" are boring and derivative design, isn't going to accept the, frankly, bizarre premises submitted by that poster.
I personally don't like raiding as it presently exists that much, but it's not about the reward. It's about the loss of gameplay diversity and loss of depth to a hyper-focus on meta for such a singular, and isolated, activity.
The focus on rewards and how to balance rewards against imbalanced gameplay, aside from being a fools errand, I see as little more than a symptom of a much broader game design problem.
Ralph's focus on it in particular, and the tendency to lean in at making negative personal assertions about other players in order to justify his beliefs, sours any ability to have a meaningful unpacking of the issue(s).
Once upon a time....
I only skimmed and don't really remember.
Once upon a time....
But that was not his aim. He could have written this in a different way and we could have had a very civil discussion but his aim was to insult, demean, devalue and reduce the contributions, efforts, time and enjoyment other players derive from this hobby. I think it was because it wasn't about discussing this topic at all but a pure ego trip with no real interest in discussion but a full on desire to make players who enjoy this part of the game feel bad. I doubt it had any real effect because it was far too transparent but he definitely tried.
The lack of self awareness is quite hilarious to watch.
Some wear it as a badge of pride...
Personally, I think I look pretty fly up here on my high horse.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
What he is talking about I summed up in another post earlier today, if a MMO has super easy casual PvE it is a huge leap to PvP/Open World/raiding. At least back in the day players did not get used to a cake walk, which makes you think that's how the game is always going to be.
He is also right that more complex and difficult play leads to more communication and therefore helps build community. Skipping around among the daises doing push over PvE does not do that.