I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
Curated focus is awesome and I am all for it, MMORPG.com should spend as much time and focus on covering every MMORPG out there and cover the entire genre. The lack of focus can actually be found in their many hardware and single player game reviews and articles.
What people really want is quality control defined by completely subjective standards, aka random. I am against that, out of those 800.000 games on Steam, how many are actual MMORPGs and somewhat alive? We are a niche genre with this website struggling to fill its pages with appropriate content and quite a few people here want even less of that because ‘reasons.’ That is not asking for curation, that is silencing that which they don’t like, we are NOT spoiled for choice.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I don't understand why some people like to white knight for obvious scams. Either they are paid to do it, or they literally like to see the world burn.
I havent drank mad dog since i was a kid trying to get my hands on anything booze related, lol.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I havent drank mad dog since i was a kid trying to get my hands on anything booze related, lol.
Same here. I vowed never to drink it again after that.
Same here brotha
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
If someone wants to save some cash on this. Just send me $50. I'll spin a wheel. If I hit a 20 I'll send you $100 back. If not, I'll still send you $25 back.
Win win
I'm assuming that your wheel has fewer than 20 options that it can hit.
I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
They're not covering all games. That's not what the site is for. But it is a site for covering MMORPGs. And it's not like we've recently seen the launch of a bunch of MMORPGs that are actually good.
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
They're not covering all games. That's not what the site is for. But it is a site for covering MMORPGs. And it's not like we've recently seen the launch of a bunch of MMORPGs that are actually good.
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
Where are you guys getting this idea that I'm talking about covering just what I consider good or what's popular? Those are just strawmen.
I'm talking about not giving press to obvious scams like Dreamworld or almost every single blockchain/NFT game in development.
I happen to think that Embers Adrift is a pathetic POS but I have zero problems with this site covering it because as bad as I think it is, it's a legitimate effort to produce an MMO, not a scam.
"Popular" or "good" has zero to do with it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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I don't understand why some people like to white knight for obvious scams. Either they are paid to do it, or they literally like to see the world burn.
Because that would mean having to admit they fell for the scam... Some will even defend other games because the implication is that, if that game is a scam then so is the one they bought into...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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If someone wants to save some cash on this. Just send me $50. I'll spin a wheel. If I hit a 20 I'll send you $100 back. If not, I'll still send you $25 back.
Win win
I'm assuming that your wheel has fewer than 20 options that it can hit.
Well the wheel is still in production. I can send you a PPT describing how it will work, or maybe I can work something up in MS Paint... No promises though, you know how it impossible to predict how much time it will take to create my wheel. And that wheel might change from 20 to 50 at some point. After you send me the cash. But no refunds!
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
They're not covering all games. That's not what the site is for. But it is a site for covering MMORPGs. And it's not like we've recently seen the launch of a bunch of MMORPGs that are actually good.
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
Where are you guys getting this idea that I'm talking about covering just what I consider good or what's popular? Those are just strawmen.
I'm talking about not giving press to obvious scams like Dreamworld or almost every single blockchain/NFT game in development.
I happen to think that Embers Adrift is a pathetic POS but I have zero problems with this site covering it because as bad as I think it is, it's a legitimate effort to produce an MMO, not a scam.
"Popular" or "good" has zero to do with it.
But it isn’t a strawman as you proof by immediately excluding stuff happening in the MMO space because reasons. ‘It is not only about what is good and popular but lets exclude stuff that I find bad.’ These games reflect the state of the genre, which really isn’t doing all that well, it is not something we can or should ignore. And the, highly subjective, idea that almost all NFT/Blockchain games are bad reminds me of older ‘all F2P games are cheap garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ and ‘all cashshop games are predatory garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ arguments. You talk strawman but are still advocating a ‘safe space’ created by subjective standards. And I call that BS, especially as long as this website needs to cover non MMO news to fill its pages.
The funny thing? I actually agree on the quality of the things you mention, They are however part of the genre in its current state and therefor worth mentioning, much more then all those articles about Warframe, Destiny, the newest earbuds etc.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
They're not covering all games. That's not what the site is for. But it is a site for covering MMORPGs. And it's not like we've recently seen the launch of a bunch of MMORPGs that are actually good.
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
Where are you guys getting this idea that I'm talking about covering just what I consider good or what's popular? Those are just strawmen.
I'm talking about not giving press to obvious scams like Dreamworld or almost every single blockchain/NFT game in development.
I happen to think that Embers Adrift is a pathetic POS but I have zero problems with this site covering it because as bad as I think it is, it's a legitimate effort to produce an MMO, not a scam.
"Popular" or "good" has zero to do with it.
But it isn’t a strawman as you proof by immediately excluding stuff happening in the MMO space because reasons. ‘It is not only about what is good and popular but lets exclude stuff that I find bad.’ These games reflect the state of the genre, which really isn’t doing all that well, it is not something we can or should ignore. And the, highly subjective, idea that almost all NFT/Blockchain games are bad reminds me of older ‘all F2P games are cheap garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ and ‘all cashshop games are predatory garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ arguments. You talk strawman but are still advocating a ‘safe space’ created by subjective standards. And I call that BS, especially as long as this website needs to cover non MMO news to fill its pages.
The funny thing? I actually agree on the quality of the things you mention, They are however part of the genre in its current state and therefor worth mentioning, much more then all those articles about Warframe, Destiny, the newest earbuds etc.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
This area is a minefield, it is very difficult to have a fair set of rules any site could use to decide what games should be covered and what shouldn't. The site seems to be taking a come one come all approach, which I accept up to a point. The irony is that our posters are getting more censorship than the games, what we shouldn't say seems to be more important to them than whether a game is a scam or not.
The reason I said "up to a point" is that there rarely seems to be any evaluation on the sites part of how legitimate a game in development or a cash shop practise is. Steve has done some articles on blockchain and CoE has its background mentioned when a new item comes up and that Dream game had a question mark put over it (but not so much now). Is that much different to where we were under Bill and Susie, actually it is pretty much the same, we did not have lots of questions raised about F2P and cash shops.
I should point out as you bought this up, I think neither cash shops or F2P have given us better MMOs, do you? That aside, gaming sites have never had an appetite for questioning new cash shop practises and it is not surprising they see blockchain and NFT under that banner. This has extended into bad Crowd funding and EA, the questions rarely get asked not just here, anywhere.
So, while I feel there are lots of games that are being covered here that are questionable from gatcha to crypto and some that have been in development for so long just how do you construct a fair policy? Should SC articles be banned because it is taking too long, or New World because it seems beleaguered with issues? There is a danger of going too far here.
I think the fairest way forward would be a putting a note at the bottom of articles mentioning the issues, indeed the site has sometimes done that. What we can't expect is for them to step too far outside of what every other site does.
I see no reason to not cover games like these. Every genre has the good, the bad, and the ugly, just focussing on the good while ignoring the rest and calling it all peachy is more dishonest than any of these games could ever be imo. It would also be dishonest to label stuff utter trash before giving it a thorough shake, just like it would be dishonest to call stuff utterly amazing before release. I mean, we all know how to put the heat on the SC whiteknights.
Games like these might be horrible, they are a, growing, part of the genre. They might even be the dominant part of the genre in a few years. Gaming in general has already passed most of us by, this is just the next step. And I have zero interest in porn mmo’s, I also have zero problems with this site covering them. I don’t want to have ‘values’ so I can shut down that which I do not like or care about.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No one said anything about good or bad and deciding what to cover and what not to cover is routine.
There are over 800,000 video games in existence right now and just on Steam there were over 10,000 new releases in 2021. Do you know anyone who covers them all?
Curated focus is a thing whether you like it or not and this site used to be much, much better with its focus.
They're not covering all games. That's not what the site is for. But it is a site for covering MMORPGs. And it's not like we've recently seen the launch of a bunch of MMORPGs that are actually good.
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
Where are you guys getting this idea that I'm talking about covering just what I consider good or what's popular? Those are just strawmen.
I'm talking about not giving press to obvious scams like Dreamworld or almost every single blockchain/NFT game in development.
I happen to think that Embers Adrift is a pathetic POS but I have zero problems with this site covering it because as bad as I think it is, it's a legitimate effort to produce an MMO, not a scam.
"Popular" or "good" has zero to do with it.
But it isn’t a strawman as you proof by immediately excluding stuff happening in the MMO space because reasons. ‘It is not only about what is good and popular but lets exclude stuff that I find bad.’ These games reflect the state of the genre, which really isn’t doing all that well, it is not something we can or should ignore. And the, highly subjective, idea that almost all NFT/Blockchain games are bad reminds me of older ‘all F2P games are cheap garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ and ‘all cashshop games are predatory garbage and shouldn’t be covered’ arguments. You talk strawman but are still advocating a ‘safe space’ created by subjective standards. And I call that BS, especially as long as this website needs to cover non MMO news to fill its pages.
The funny thing? I actually agree on the quality of the things you mention, They are however part of the genre in its current state and therefor worth mentioning, much more then all those articles about Warframe, Destiny, the newest earbuds etc.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
This area is a minefield, it is very difficult to have a fair set of rules any site could use to decide what games should be covered and what shouldn't. The site seems to be taking a come one come all approach, which I accept up to a point. The irony is that our posters are getting more censorship than the games, what we shouldn't say seems to be more important to them than whether a game is a scam or not.
The reason I said "up to a point" is that there rarely seems to be any evaluation on the sites part of how legitimate a game in development or a cash shop practise is. Steve has done some articles on blockchain and CoE has its background mentioned when a new item comes up and that Dream game had a question mark put over it (but not so much now). Is that much different to where we were under Bill and Susie, actually it is pretty much the same, we did not have lots of questions raised about F2P and cash shops.
I should point out as you bought this up, I think neither cash shops or F2P have given us better MMOs, do you? That aside, gaming sites have never had an appetite for questioning new cash shop practises and it is not surprising they see blockchain and NFT under that banner. This has extended into bad Crowd funding and EA, the questions rarely get asked not just here, anywhere.
So, while I feel there are lots of games that are being covered here that are questionable from gatcha to crypto and some that have been in development for so long just how do you construct a fair policy? Should SC articles be banned because it is taking too long, or New World because it seems beleaguered with issues? There is a danger of going too far here.
I think the fairest way forward would be a putting a note at the bottom of articles mentioning the issues, indeed the site has sometimes done that. What we can't expect is for them to step too far outside of what every other site does.
I think the only question that should be asked is ‘does it belong to the MMORPG genre?’ And if it does, games, news, articles, anything related to MMORPGs, it should be talked about. And definitely not in some dystopian ‘move along, everything is fine’ way, it is good to be critical and tough questions should be asked. Why is SC taking so long and is that acceptable for us gamers? Is it even an MMORPG? Why is New World riddled with exploits and how do we feel about that? Should we accept products in a state like that? Hoe can a game like that Dream thing get a crowdfunding campaign and how does the alpha play, is it really a scam? We should ask and talk about everything and anything MMORPG related, even if something is utter, utter, crap.
What we should not do is shut down, or keep out, certain aspects we do not like or feel have a bad influence, they are the reality and what is happening out there. Mir 4 is as much part of the MMORPG genre as Ultima Online and SWG are, at this point the former is even making much more impact than the latter two. Now how many Mir 4 articles and discussions are we really having here, even compared to these other two relics?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This area is a minefield, it is very difficult to have a fair set of rules any site could use to decide what games should be covered and what shouldn't. The site seems to be taking a come one come all approach, which I accept up to a point. The irony is that our posters are getting more censorship than the games, what we shouldn't say seems to be more important to them than whether a game is a scam or not.
The reason I said "up to a point" is that there rarely seems to be any evaluation on the sites part of how legitimate a game in development or a cash shop practise is. Steve has done some articles on blockchain and CoE has its background mentioned when a new item comes up and that Dream game had a question mark put over it (but not so much now). Is that much different to where we were under Bill and Susie, actually it is pretty much the same, we did not have lots of questions raised about F2P and cash shops.
I should point out as you bought this up, I think neither cash shops or F2P have given us better MMOs, do you? That aside, gaming sites have never had an appetite for questioning new cash shop practises and it is not surprising they see blockchain and NFT under that banner. This has extended into bad Crowd funding and EA, the questions rarely get asked not just here, anywhere.
So, while I feel there are lots of games that are being covered here that are questionable from gatcha to crypto and some that have been in development for so long just how do you construct a fair policy? Should SC articles be banned because it is taking too long, or New World because it seems beleaguered with issues? There is a danger of going too far here.
I think the fairest way forward would be a putting a note at the bottom of articles mentioning the issues, indeed the site has sometimes done that. What we can't expect is for them to step too far outside of what every other site does.
I think the only question that should be asked is ‘does it belong to the MMORPG genre?’ And if it does, games, news, articles, anything related to MMORPGs, it should be talked about. And definitely not in some dystopian ‘move along, everything is fine’ way, it is good to be critical and tough questions should be asked. Why is SC taking so long and is that acceptable for us gamers? Is it even an MMORPG? Why is New World riddled with exploits and how do we feel about that? Should we accept products in a state like that? Hoe can a game like that Dream thing get a crowdfunding campaign and how does the alpha play, is it really a scam? We should ask and talk about everything and anything MMORPG related, even if something is utter, utter, crap.
What we should not do is shut down, or keep out, certain aspects we do not like or feel have a bad influence, they are the reality and what is happening out there. Mir 4 is as much part of the MMORPG genre as Ultima Online and SWG are, at this point the former is even making much more impact than the latter two. Now how many Mir 4 articles and discussions are we really having here, even compared to these other two relics?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Is not MIR 4 the one still locked to WASD on the PC, so let me stop you right there.
Sure, I am happy to look at anything if we get an (in this case) "Not optimized well for the PC" in a bar note in the article. My concern with MMORPG.com is when the articles get these issues brought up, the next article or the one after that usualy forgets about them. We can't expect forensic game journalism outside of You-tubers who don't care what the industry thinks of them and let's be duly critical all round, some of what they put out is garbage.
I was against F2P and cash shops from the start, but I never said the site should not feature them, unless you want MMORPG.com to be King Canute that's a difficult stance to sensibly take. But we do need the warnings in a sidebar, so players know what they are getting into.
The game spelled its own name wrong by putting the space in the wrong place. It's supposed to be "deka rong", which is pronounced deca-wrong. The game is so named because adding blockchain makes it about ten times as wrong as a more conventionally ridiculous cash-grab.
Ngl, seeing coverage like this like its an actual product and not an obvious cash grab make me not want to visit the site sometimes.
Every since the new people took over after Bill left the site started pushing a lot of crap articles. I come here less and less now.
It's because all the other game sites are reporting on these types of blockchain games too. The comments here don't get anywhere near the level of toxicity they do platforms like reddit and twitter.
Ngl, seeing coverage like this like its an actual product and not an obvious cash grab make me not want to visit the site sometimes.
Every since the new people took over after Bill left the site started pushing a lot of crap articles. I come here less and less now.
It's because all the other game sites are reporting on these types of blockchain games too. The comments here don't get anywhere near the level of toxicity they do platforms like reddit and twitter.
Which is why we are better than they are, something I am quite proud of.
If someone wants to save some cash on this. Just send me $50. I'll spin a wheel. If I hit a 20 I'll send you $100 back. If not, I'll still send you $25 back.
Win win
You forgot to add that rewards may change due to (your) internal circumstances. Rookie mistake!
He just left out that the wheel goes from 1 to 1000.
(and that he only spins after he has 1000 entries)
If someone wants to save some cash on this. Just send me $50. I'll spin a wheel. If I hit a 20 I'll send you $100 back. If not, I'll still send you $25 back.
Win win
You forgot to add that rewards may change due to (your) internal circumstances. Rookie mistake!
He just left out that the wheel goes from 1 to 1000.
(and that he only spins after he has 1000 entries)
I yield to your greater experience I'm still learning!
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
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/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I played it and it actual at it's time really good for f2p. Also the first time I felt the effects of racism when somein called me a purple n....
the champange room really? you are comparing this site to somethign that has value .....
OK Boomer
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Same here. I vowed never to drink it again after that.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
If they only had one new news item per day, the site would look a lot less active and get less traffic. And there just aren't that many legitimate news items if you restrict to only the games that are popular.
I'm talking about not giving press to obvious scams like Dreamworld or almost every single blockchain/NFT game in development.
I happen to think that Embers Adrift is a pathetic POS but I have zero problems with this site covering it because as bad as I think it is, it's a legitimate effort to produce an MMO, not a scam.
"Popular" or "good" has zero to do with it.
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Some will even defend other games because the implication is that, if that game is a scam then so is the one they bought into...
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No promises though, you know how it impossible to predict how much time it will take to create my wheel. And that wheel might change from 20 to 50 at some point. After you send me the cash. But no refunds!
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Every since the new people took over after Bill left the site started pushing a lot of crap articles. I come here less and less now.
The funny thing? I actually agree on the quality of the things you mention, They are however part of the genre in its current state and therefor worth mentioning, much more then all those articles about Warframe, Destiny, the newest earbuds etc.
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
The reason I said "up to a point" is that there rarely seems to be any evaluation on the sites part of how legitimate a game in development or a cash shop practise is. Steve has done some articles on blockchain and CoE has its background mentioned when a new item comes up and that Dream game had a question mark put over it (but not so much now). Is that much different to where we were under Bill and Susie, actually it is pretty much the same, we did not have lots of questions raised about F2P and cash shops.
I should point out as you bought this up, I think neither cash shops or F2P have given us better MMOs, do you? That aside, gaming sites have never had an appetite for questioning new cash shop practises and it is not surprising they see blockchain and NFT under that banner. This has extended into bad Crowd funding and EA, the questions rarely get asked not just here, anywhere.
So, while I feel there are lots of games that are being covered here that are questionable from gatcha to crypto and some that have been in development for so long just how do you construct a fair policy? Should SC articles be banned because it is taking too long, or New World because it seems beleaguered with issues? There is a danger of going too far here.
I think the fairest way forward would be a putting a note at the bottom of articles mentioning the issues, indeed the site has sometimes done that. What we can't expect is for them to step too far outside of what every other site does.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Sure, I am happy to look at anything if we get an (in this case) "Not optimized well for the PC" in a bar note in the article. My concern with MMORPG.com is when the articles get these issues brought up, the next article or the one after that usualy forgets about them. We can't expect forensic game journalism outside of You-tubers who don't care what the industry thinks of them and let's be duly critical all round, some of what they put out is garbage.
I was against F2P and cash shops from the start, but I never said the site should not feature them, unless you want MMORPG.com to be King Canute that's a difficult stance to sensibly take. But we do need the warnings in a sidebar, so players know what they are getting into.
It's because all the other game sites are reporting on these types of blockchain games too. The comments here don't get anywhere near the level of toxicity they do platforms like reddit and twitter.
not worth the bandwidth to render their website.
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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