The vulgarity of the west never ceases to amaze me.
If you think that's amazing check out the vulgarity of the east. You'll find the west quite tame in comparison, especially when it comes to North America.
Unless you're talking about vulgar graphic violence, in which case we are top tier competitors.
Load of bullcrap.
The west = Hollywood including Japan and Korea and wherever Hollywood is prevalent culture. I grew up in the west and it has changed over the last 50 years massively. Now vulgarity is celebrated while everything else takes the back seat.
I don't know how old you are, I'm 69. I agree though, the changes have been astronomical. It's not just due to tech and economics, in my opinion. I'm speaking a little bit in generalities here. The parents, advertising execs, corporate managers, etc., lived through the Great Depression and WWII. They had a different way about them. They had class, ethics, morals, etc., due to those experiences. Surprisingly, outside of the extremes (which many today don't even see as extremes), they were much more tolerant. "Keep your nose out of other people's business" was a common saying back then (again, outside of the extremes).
When we have to look to something as extreme as the far east's use of "preteen" avatars in games to say the West is a better society, well that shows we don't exactly deserve a prize.
Western society isn't better. It is what we in the West are accustomed to and judge things by. That in itself shows we deserve no prize. It is an attitude of superiority that has no foundation other than our own conceit.
I think that could be said for any society, take a holiday around the world and see if you can find any societies which think they are inferior. It is quite natural we see ourselves as he best, everyone does just that.
It can be said for every society. Many people do that, likely the large majority, but not everyone does that. At least some that do recognize their bias and the nature of it. Those that don't and confuse it with fact are the source of many problems in the world.
Not sure what service including sexual acts would provide, though I can see including some kind of implied romantic encounter in a game that includes full on player to player relationships (such as marriages).
But it needs to be general enough and harmless that it can't be twisted. For example, the two avatars leaning in for a kiss while sitting under the moonlight, and then the camera pans up to the moon for a fade out shot. That's about as graphic as you can and should get imo.
It doesn't bother me. Sex in video games is usually to mild to get me turn on anyways, but I'm old and have seen way too much. If someone's going to add it, may as well go extremely dirty.
The vulgarity of the west never ceases to amaze me.
If you think that's amazing check out the vulgarity of the east. You'll find the west quite tame in comparison, especially when it comes to North America.
Unless you're talking about vulgar graphic violence, in which case we are top tier competitors.
Load of bullcrap.
The west = Hollywood including Japan and Korea and wherever Hollywood is prevalent culture. I grew up in the west and it has changed over the last 50 years massively. Now vulgarity is celebrated while everything else takes the back seat.
I don't know how old you are, I'm 69. I agree though, the changes have been astronomical. It's not just due to tech and economics, in my opinion. I'm speaking a little bit in generalities here. The parents, advertising execs, corporate managers, etc., lived through the Great Depression and WWII. They had a different way about them. They had class, ethics, morals, etc., due to those experiences. Surprisingly, outside of the extremes (which many today don't even see as extremes), they were much more tolerant. "Keep your nose out of other people's business" was a common saying back then (again, outside of the extremes).
When we have to look to something as extreme as the far east's use of "preteen" avatars in games to say the West is a better society, well that shows we don't exactly deserve a prize.
Western society isn't better. It is what we in the West are accustomed to and judge things by. That in itself shows we deserve no prize. It is an attitude of superiority that has no foundation other than our own conceit.
I think that could be said for any society, take a holiday around the world and see if you can find any societies which think they are inferior. It is quite natural we see ourselves as he best, everyone does just that.
I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think these days it's easier to admire other cultures and societies.
But there are a lot of differences, not just from country to country, but even in certain parts of the same country. The US is way crazy in what someone in california would consider common place or normal daily life compared to someone in.. like.. nebraska.
But yeah, the kinds of things that people in Japan find quite common might be extremely taboo in other places... but there are still parts of each society that other people might admire. I think these days you'd have to be really shortsighted and childish to expect that one society is the right or best way. It's all part of culture that we conform to.
Call me short-sighted then, I root for the "home" team.
Also, I don't suffer from this strange sense of self loathing many do today.
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The vulgarity of the west never ceases to amaze me.
If you think that's amazing check out the vulgarity of the east. You'll find the west quite tame in comparison, especially when it comes to North America.
Unless you're talking about vulgar graphic violence, in which case we are top tier competitors.
Load of bullcrap.
The west = Hollywood including Japan and Korea and wherever Hollywood is prevalent culture. I grew up in the west and it has changed over the last 50 years massively. Now vulgarity is celebrated while everything else takes the back seat.
I don't know how old you are, I'm 69. I agree though, the changes have been astronomical. It's not just due to tech and economics, in my opinion. I'm speaking a little bit in generalities here. The parents, advertising execs, corporate managers, etc., lived through the Great Depression and WWII. They had a different way about them. They had class, ethics, morals, etc., due to those experiences. Surprisingly, outside of the extremes (which many today don't even see as extremes), they were much more tolerant. "Keep your nose out of other people's business" was a common saying back then (again, outside of the extremes).
When we have to look to something as extreme as the far east's use of "preteen" avatars in games to say the West is a better society, well that shows we don't exactly deserve a prize.
Western society isn't better. It is what we in the West are accustomed to and judge things by. That in itself shows we deserve no prize. It is an attitude of superiority that has no foundation other than our own conceit.
I think that could be said for any society, take a holiday around the world and see if you can find any societies which think they are inferior. It is quite natural we see ourselves as he best, everyone does just that.
I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think these days it's easier to admire other cultures and societies.
But there are a lot of differences, not just from country to country, but even in certain parts of the same country. The US is way crazy in what someone in california would consider common place or normal daily life compared to someone in.. like.. nebraska.
But yeah, the kinds of things that people in Japan find quite common might be extremely taboo in other places... but there are still parts of each society that other people might admire. I think these days you'd have to be really shortsighted and childish to expect that one society is the right or best way. It's all part of culture that we conform to.
Call me short-sighted then, I root for the "home" team.
Also, I don't suffer from this strange sense of self loathing many do today.
While I agree with the sentiment, I'm sure you'll agree that respect for others is still an admirable thing too.
I'm talking about entire cultures here, and not specific things like this "child porn" anime stuff, which seems like grooming to me. But the West has its own grooming going on, and I saw it start with the hippy movement.
It really depends on what "sex in mmorpg's" means.
is it part of the world? Is it like Game of Thrones where two people in the ruling family are having an incestuous relationship and players are aware of all the politics and rumors that come about because of this?
Or is it giving players sex animations for their avatars?
I always pro-sex but I'm anti-inflictingyourselfonotherpeople.
For me sex is a private thing and I'm not interested in a "sex" game. But if the mmorpg has a story and I walk in on an npc orgy on my way to speak with the local warlord then I'm fine with it.
Would I want to play an mmorpg where the players could stage their own orgy? No, not at all.
In the end it probably has to do with who the game is made for, who it's marketed to.
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Not exactly my subject of interest in gaming, but as long as homicide simulators exist then I don't see why sex sim's can't. Just aim it at the correct audience, with the correct context.
I agree with @Sovrath in that I am against people using any of the emotes or other means to project sexual intentions on random players. Whatever they do behind some closed inn doors in a game isn't any of my business.
I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think these days it's easier to admire other cultures and societies.
But there are a lot of differences, not just from country to country, but even in certain parts of the same country. The US is way crazy in what someone in california would consider common place or normal daily life compared to someone in.. like.. nebraska.
But yeah, the kinds of things that people in Japan find quite common might be extremely taboo in other places... but there are still parts of each society that other people might admire. I think these days you'd have to be really shortsighted and childish to expect that one society is the right or best way. It's all part of culture that we conform to.
I certainly agree with that, but don't you think you could be caricaturing states in the same way you are saying people caricature countries? I think it's important to realize this is about cultural norms, but that is only a blind spot if you think all of our norms are better than everyone else's.
So, I think many nations in the far east have a better approach to education that we do, they really put academic achievement first and foremost. Whereas the scantily clad preteens are somewhere that they do not have a better approach than our selves. I also recognise that these games are being made for a home market and an international market, so on the one hand this is not an issue and on the other it is. I would not be critical if we did not get to see these games.
While I agree with the sentiment, I'm sure you'll agree that respect for others is still an admirable thing too.
I'm talking about entire cultures here, and not specific things like this "child porn" anime stuff, which seems like grooming to me. But the West has its own grooming going on, and I saw it start with the hippy movement.
You can root for the home team and have respect for others, I see no contradiction. Not sure about roping the hippie movement into grooming but grooming certainly occurs in the West.
I agree with @Sovrath in that I am against people using any of the emotes or other means to project sexual intentions on random players. Whatever they do behind some closed inn doors in a game isn't any of my business.
Rated appropriately of course.
Cheyane, your avatar is definitely not "U" ("G" in the US), I am still working out whether your appropriate rating would be "15" (PG 13 or higher in US).
the games are fine with or without sex there Ratings for a reason its just store dont stop to look at iD they dont do there Jobs same go for web stores they dont do iD you just type month/day/year and you still can buy them
for me its just Breast And Butt Physics and Cosmetics are Fine for an mmo like Black Desert Online love the game but hate how they set it up for pay to progress + seeing to much ERP in chat Cringe
Sex in MMO's or any multiplayer/co-op games is a no go But for Single player games i see that being fine
VR thats a hard one i dont see that one working out at in any multiplayer game just look at VRChat an eyesore its like second life all over again but in VR
Honestly I don't see the issue with this in mmorpgs if done right, the legions of karens and soccer moms who like to control what others can have will probably have a very big issue with this
My whole thing is if they had a reason besides eye candy to implement this in a game I'd be ok with it
Can all the soccer mums reading give us a big "M" for MMORPG.com.
I agree with @Sovrath in that I am against people using any of the emotes or other means to project sexual intentions on random players. Whatever they do behind some closed inn doors in a game isn't any of my business.
Rated appropriately of course.
Cheyane, your avatar is definitely not "U" ("G" in the US), I am still working out whether your appropriate rating would be "15" (PG 13 or higher in US).
Honestly I don't see the issue with this in mmorpgs if done right, the legions of karens and soccer moms who like to control what others can have will probably have a very big issue with this
My whole thing is if they had a reason besides eye candy to implement this in a game I'd be ok with it
Can all the soccer mums reading give us a big "M" for MMORPG.com.
Scot you seem to be having to much fun here the levels of fun should be illegal lmao, jokes aside everyone on this forum is all over the place on this thread, this is probably gonna be the funniest thread I've seen since the day I joined here
This thread feels like chaotic fun to watch and add to I like it
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I agree with @Sovrath in that I am against people using any of the emotes or other means to project sexual intentions on random players. Whatever they do behind some closed inn doors in a game isn't any of my business.
Rated appropriately of course.
Cheyane, your avatar is definitely not "U" ("G" in the US), I am still working out whether your appropriate rating would be "15" (PG 13 or higher in US).
that's from City of Heroes.
It had to be really, few MMOs approach that level of costume customization. CoH is "Teen", but somehow I don't think my teenage self would have minded.
The Panda says no. Do not get me wrong sex is great. And it no doubt sells. But me personally do not see a reason to have it in my games.
I am a scizo misanthrope. So one day I may go BANZAI on your post. Have not yet though. Maybe there is hope? Nah there is really none for me or the human race.
Honestly I don't see the issue with this in mmorpgs if done right, the legions of karens and soccer moms who like to control what others can have will probably have a very big issue with this
My whole thing is if they had a reason besides eye candy to implement this in a game I'd be ok with it
Old saying goes, if momma isn't happy, no one is happy.
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Ratings without parent's supervision isn't going to keep children away from these games. Might not be a good idea to have sex in these games where children might play them especially when you read about the predators targeting vulnerable children who are not supervised.
We can all talk about a parent's obligation and duties but we know what really happens and how we ourselves grew up getting access to books, comics and magazines we were not supposed to look at. So do you think the children nowadays are any different. I'd rather not give another avenue for a pedophile to trap a new prey.
Ratings without parent's supervision isn't going to keep children away from these games. Might not be a good idea to have sex in these games where children might play them especially when you read about the predators targeting vulnerable children who are not supervised.
We can all talk about a parent's obligation and duties but we know what really happens and how we ourselves grew up getting access to books, comics and magazines we were not supposed to look at. So do you think the children nowadays are any different. I'd rather not give another avenue for a pedophile to trap a new prey.
Sex content for teenagers is widely available with or without parent consent. If a parent thinks he/she can control this... well... lol? Parent control options are a joke that every adolescent with two neurons or enough people on his friend list knows how to go beyond.
So unless, one is constantly spying on his child (even in the middle school bathroom) or depriving him/her from her phone/computer....... then lol.
Truth is that the young teen generation is more exposed no matter what to all kind of sex/porn/erotic content than we (older generation) have been in the past. They are already aware of all kind of stuff and sometimes know more than some of us.
So, yes like every other adult I don't want my kids to be exposed, but in the current digital world is it just possible?
And don't get me started on the little window asking for your birthdate...
At first glance i thought this would be about whether a character being male or female was important, silly me. Anyway, i do not have a strong opinion about it either way, if there is some kind of sexual interaction in an MMO, then the games age rating needs to reflect this and it needs to be enforced, not a simple checkbox saying are you 18+ or not, but some kind of real verification like a drivers licence or something. Anyway, i think age ratings for games have become far too lax these days, they do not seem to be enforced so they have become something of a joke.
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But it needs to be general enough and harmless that it can't be twisted. For example, the two avatars leaning in for a kiss while sitting under the moonlight, and then the camera pans up to the moon for a fade out shot. That's about as graphic as you can and should get imo.
Also, I don't suffer from this strange sense of self loathing many do today.
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I'm talking about entire cultures here, and not specific things like this "child porn" anime stuff, which seems like grooming to me.
But the West has its own grooming going on, and I saw it start with the hippy movement.
Once upon a time....
Or is it giving players sex animations for their avatars?
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Rated appropriately of course.
So, I think many nations in the far east have a better approach to education that we do, they really put academic achievement first and foremost. Whereas the scantily clad preteens are somewhere that they do not have a better approach than our selves. I also recognise that these games are being made for a home market and an international market, so on the one hand this is not an issue and on the other it is. I would not be critical if we did not get to see these games.
You can root for the home team and have respect for others, I see no contradiction. Not sure about roping the hippie movement into grooming but grooming certainly occurs in the West.
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for me its just Breast And Butt Physics and Cosmetics are Fine for an mmo like Black Desert Online love the game but hate how they set it up for pay to progress + seeing to much ERP in chat Cringe
Sex in MMO's or any multiplayer/co-op games is a no go But for Single player games i see that being fine
VR thats a hard one i dont see that one working out at in any multiplayer game just look at VRChat an eyesore its like second life all over again but in VR
I first saw the movie on TV, and it was censored (sex scene removed).
Later in life I watched it again via a streaming service and was confused why that scene was there.
It was definitely completely unnecessary and took away from the movie.
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Do not get me wrong sex is great. And it no doubt sells.
But me personally do not see a reason to have it in my games.
Have not yet though. Maybe there is hope?
Nah there is really none for me or the human race.
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We can all talk about a parent's obligation and duties but we know what really happens and how we ourselves grew up getting access to books, comics and magazines we were not supposed to look at. So do you think the children nowadays are any different. I'd rather not give another avenue for a pedophile to trap a new prey.
Sex content for teenagers is widely available with or without parent consent. If a parent thinks he/she can control this... well... lol?
Parent control options are a joke that every adolescent with two neurons or enough people on his friend list knows how to go beyond.
So, yes like every other adult I don't want my kids to be exposed, but in the current digital world is it just possible?