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Proletariat Workers Organize To Create The Proletariat Workers Alliance, Ask To Be Voluntarily Recog

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edited December 2022 in News & Features Discussion

imageProletariat Workers Organize To Create The Proletariat Workers Alliance, Ask To Be Voluntarily Recognized | MMORPG.com

Proletariat, Inc, the studio that made the spell-slinging Battle Royale Spellbreak and recently was acquired by Activision Blizzard, announced today that the workers have organized into a union and are asking for management to voluntarily recognize the union.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    No good will come of this.
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  • cloudacvcloudacv Member UncommonPosts: 210
    They want to make more money but don’t want to work any overtime. Lol.
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  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    it's a plague.
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  • urriel1970urriel1970 Member UncommonPosts: 126
    i want to be recognized for absolutely nothing and get money for nothing and be respected for nothing.
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    Good luck with that... That's some high hopes.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522

    cloudacv said:

    They want to make more money but don’t want to work any overtime. Lol.



    Wanting to make more money is pretty common. They want overtime to be voluntary and better compensated for those that opt in with no negative repercussion for those that opt out. This is isn't accurately summarized as not wanting to work overtime.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    OG_Solareus said:
    it's a plague.
    Yes, it is. It's the plague of indoctrinated dumb fucks against their own self interest.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    If you're maintaining a live game and accidentally push an update that completely breaks the game, it needs to be fixed immediately.  If that means overtime, then deal with it.  Leaving the game in an unplayable state for a day or even a weekend is not okay.

    But that's only a tiny fraction of the overtime that some game companies demand.  Expecting employees to work very long hours for months at a time just because management would like an upcoming game to launch a little sooner is not okay unless you warned employees that that was the way the business was run before hiring them.

    I'm actually curious how the unionization push in gaming will play out.  Unions have basically crippled some domestic industries with their demands and effectively forced the jobs to be outsourced.  The gaming industry is a highly competitive, global industry, so jobs are very vulnerable to being outsourced.

    Even so, there are sometimes trade-offs between wages, benefits, and working conditions.  Workers who want to push the trade-off in a different direction (as opposed to demanding better everything) can sometimes benefit from an organized way of doing so.  See, for example, how in the ~2010 NFL collective bargaining agreement, owners got to reduce player compensation a little, but in return, players got a bunch of quality of life concessions, such as the end of two-a-day practices.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    "The Proletariat Workers Alliance says their colleagues also shouldn’t be penalized during performance reviews for not taking on extra work."

    While I understand the case that overtime should be non-mandatory in many sectors, I only see a problem with "crunch" overtime if it lasts for excessive periods or is unpaid. Also I cannot see how you can equate someone who is working overtime with someone who does not in a performance review, that is not fair to those who work overtime.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    Scot said:
    "The Proletariat Workers Alliance says their colleagues also shouldn’t be penalized during performance reviews for not taking on extra work."

    While I understand the case that overtime should be non-mandatory in many sectors, I only see a problem with "crunch" overtime if it lasts for excessive periods or is unpaid. Also I cannot see how you can equate someone who is working overtime with someone who does not in a performance review, that is not fair to those who work overtime.
    The clue is in their name.  They chose a Marxist related name.(and yes I know the word is as old as Caesar. But Marxist’s have adopted it)


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  • BarazSirielBarazSiriel Member UncommonPosts: 12
    A union is simply a collective negotiation with the employer instead of each individual trying to negotiate. It is simply rational and proper, and mostly avoids that some individuals fall behind or fail to defend themselves for various reasons.

    There is a stark ideological bent against labor unions in the USA, while they are very common/normal around the world. Speaking of indoctrination (in the comments here), Americans are raised to hate unions, to see them as a socialist design, which makes little sense as the businesses and country remain fully capitalist as normal and it simply means the work conditions were negotiated collectively with the private employers.

    As a Canadian, I am less inclined to think people should not unite and a people creating a labor association is rather natural and considered a fundamental Human Right (see UN International Labour Organization).

    With the years of lawsuits against Blizzard/Activision, it is understandable that many employees want to unite to negotiate and represent their rights and greviences. As an adult gamer, who hesitates to give Blizzard money now, I would see unions as reassuring and positive.

    That said, of course the name Proletariat is very ideological and not very strategic in my opinion. :P Still, the comments that are radically against the very concept of labor unions are ironically very ideological.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    You say it makes little sense to see this Union as socialist in design but then go on to acknowledge the name is blatantly socialist/Marxist…

    Im just going to stand by my initial comment that no good will come of this.  Not for the company and not for the workers.  
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    If they were Arenanet, I'd be making Dredge jokes.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    You say it makes little sense to see this Union as socialist in design but then go on to acknowledge the name is blatantly socialist/Marxist…

    Im just going to stand by my initial comment that no good will come of this.  Not for the company and not for the workers.  
    The CWA is definitely an extremely left leaning organization as a whole as their politics well demonstrate.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/communications-workers-of-america/summary?id=D000000075

    The question for workers is will paying around $500+ a year in union dues bring them back sufficient benefits for the expense.

    Time will tell of course.

    Minimum Monthly Dues may be withheld from member checks once per month or divided between two or more paychecks per month. EXAMPLE: $20 HR X 2.25 = $45 / month minimum dues If dues are withheld weekly (4X a month) : $11.25 per week. If dues are withheld bi-weekly: $22.50 each check.
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  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    Okay, and what is bad in left leaning?


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    I'll make it really simple for you:

    There are rich fucks and working people.

    I can fully understand the sense of a rich fuck being anti-worker and promoting the anti-union agenda because that is in their interest to do so.

    But it boggles my mind how working people support the rich fucks' agenda by being anti-workers yourselves which is after all just being anti your own bloody advancement and benefit.

    You don't like unions? Fine, come up with your own alternative that promotes your own well-being as a worker and gives you better working conditions and wages... I'll wait.

    Just don't be a dumb fuck.


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  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694
    I applaud the use of the word proletariat!  That's the only thing I applaud.  We need the Pinkertons to go old school again.  Don't worry!  There won't be any violence.  This is modern youth.  A few harsh words online, maybe a little griefing and they'll break.  
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    Iselin said:
    I'll make it really simple for you:

    There are rich fucks and working people.

    I can fully understand the sense of a rich fuck being anti-worker and promoting the anti-union agenda because that is in their interest to do so.

    But it boggles my mind how working people support the rich fucks' agenda by being anti-workers yourselves which is after all just being anti your own bloody advancement and benefit.

    You don't like unions? Fine, come up with your own alternative that promotes your own well-being as a worker and gives you better working conditions and wages... I'll wait.

    Just don't be a dumb fuck.


    30 percent of workers in Canada are unionized vs 10% in the USA yet the USA has a higher quality of living.  Imagine that…

    Dont confuse suspicion of Unions with being anti-worker. 
    Anti Marxist? Absolutely.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited December 2022
    ....yet the USA has a higher quality of living.  Imagine that…

    Oh really? Going to need some proof for that one not tainted by koolaid that makes you believe that 21 is better than 3 lol.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life

    But hey, ignorance is bliss. Have a blissful life.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited December 2022
    eoloe said:
    Okay, and what is bad in left leaning?


    That's a better conversation for r/politics I think.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

    Best to stick to gaming here.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    Okay, and what is bad in left leaning?


    That's a better conversation for r/politics I think.


    As are 99% of the comments here whenever the subject of a game studio unionizing comes up.


    Kyleran
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited December 2022
    Iselin said:
    I'll make it really simple for you:

    There are rich fucks and working people.

    I can fully understand the sense of a rich fuck being anti-worker and promoting the anti-union agenda because that is in their interest to do so.

    But it boggles my mind how working people support the rich fucks' agenda by being anti-workers yourselves which is after all just being anti your own bloody advancement and benefit.

    You don't like unions? Fine, come up with your own alternative that promotes your own well-being as a worker and gives you better working conditions and wages... I'll wait.

    Just don't be a dumb fuck.


    I believe working through elected government to promote broader regulations and protections for all workers to be the better way to go, though of course that method is not without it's flaws and detractors.

    Unions might be great for those protected by them, but for everyone else not so much, especially when unions go militant and their strikes disrupt me personally as was often the case back in the 60's through early 80's.





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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Iselin said:
    ....yet the USA has a higher quality of living.  Imagine that…

    Oh really? Going to need some proof for that one not tainted by koolaid that makes you believe that 21 is better than 3 lol.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life

    But hey, ignorance is bliss. Have a blissful life.

    Warm is the only quality of life I'm concerned about.  :)



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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited December 2022
    Kyleran said:
    Iselin said:
    I'll make it really simple for you:

    There are rich fucks and working people.

    I can fully understand the sense of a rich fuck being anti-worker and promoting the anti-union agenda because that is in their interest to do so.

    But it boggles my mind how working people support the rich fucks' agenda by being anti-workers yourselves which is after all just being anti your own bloody advancement and benefit.

    You don't like unions? Fine, come up with your own alternative that promotes your own well-being as a worker and gives you better working conditions and wages... I'll wait.

    Just don't be a dumb fuck.


    I believe working through elected government to promote broader regulations and protections for all workers to be the better way to go, though of course that method is not without it's flaws and detractors.

    Unions might be great for those protected by them, but for everyone else not so much, especially when unions go militant and their strikes disrupt me personally as was often the case back in the 60's through early 80's.





    Governments... yeah, That has always worked well lol.

    Also... strikes are not about being miliant and no one suffers more hardship[ from strikes than the workers on strike losing wages.

    Funny thing though, Unions have been promoting binding arbitration by an impartial 3rd party for decades as a more sensible way of resolving contract disputes but they are almost universally opposed by employers... I wonder why.
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