Oled monitors are coming out for gaming this year, and it makes more sense to have oled for MMOs with their non competitive refresh rates. Dont buy into the high refresh rates at the cost of picture quality unless for competitive gaming in FPS games.
Also make sure to buy a glossy finish on monitor to have better picture quality.
And if your overall set allows, might as well get a TV and use that for the PC set up. Again make sure the TV has a glossy screen, which most do for the OLEDs.
There seems to be good OLED monitors from LG and Samsung, also Asus uses their panels to make their own top of the line monitors. And it seems burn in is not an issue, or at least it will last long enough until the next replacement of OLED tech or what ever it may be e.g. micro leds is the new leading tech at affordable prices at a later date.
OLED burn-in is still very much a thing. OLEDs are nowadays good enough that if you use your computer only for games and other entertainment it's unlikely to happen. But if you also want to use Office or other productivity programs that display always the same nearly static image then you should avoid OLED and get a normal computer monitor instead.
Yes, it is worth mentioning that there is a higher risk for productivity especially if someone is pushing the panel to its limit. However, the technology has improved greatly with burn in protection and warranty.
Overall consumers seem to be very confident on the recent quality of OLED, especially reading concerns on Burn-in on reddit posts for example. Or even you tube reviews.
So its worth considering as at least a top end choice for gaming if someone wants to game in MMOs. And ofc, to avoid any possibility of burn in, avoid productivity work on it.
In that test the TVs suffered from burn-in if they displayed constantly something static (like CNN Live banners), but their conclusion was that as long as you watch varying content without static images burn-in shouldn't occur.
Rtings.com's test is already a bit old and I don't know if we have any good professional tests done after that (it took rtings.com 102 weeks to do their test so a test like this isn't cheap to do). But we know that modern LG TVs have techniques like:
"TPC (Temporal Peak Luminance Control)
LG OLED TVs have technology to detect which stationary images
pose a high risk of retention and adjust the pixel luminance accordingly"
LG including those kinds of techs tells us that as far as LG believes even their new OLED TVs can't display bright static image without burn-in.
Yep. I'd still go with the 6650XT. There is always another GPU for just a few bucks more that gives you a few more fps. Value wise I'd rather have the $20 in my pocket than the minimal improvement.
For an even better value, there's the XFX Speedster SWFT210 RX 6650XT for $289.99 https://a.co/d/9PUwZg8. There are only 16 available, and we try to stay away from limited qty for a list like this. We went with the card in the article since it was still priced below most of the other 6650XTs.
your response makes little to 0 sense. When you can get the better card, you get the better card. There's no reason not too at the 300 dollar range, simply because the tax is going to push you over 300 anyway.
Then you say a better value , but not clearify that the 6600 cards are pci-e x8 only, and would need a pci-e 4.0 mobo to get the best performance. Should do better research before "recommending" lower teir items as they ar elower tier for reason beyond their streaming processor count.
No, you don't always get a better card just because you can afford it. I can afford a 4090, I won't buy one because I don't think it's a good value.
I am not saying that the 6650XT is a better performing card. The 6700 is better. Not only does it give a slight increase in fps, it also comes with an additional 2GB of ram. Value wise, which is the category in question, I will take the 6650XT and $20 over the 6700. You obviously swing towards the 6700, and that's a great choice if you don't care about the $20. But why stop there? Another $20 and you could get a more powerful card. And another $20, and another $20.
I'm also not sure what being in the $300 range has to do with value? It wasn't like $300 was set as a value price and the card had to come in under that price. It just happened that the card gives great 1080p performance and it happens to cost $300, not the other way around. And tax? What does that have to do with anything?
PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 - fps is fps, I don't care how you get there. The 7700 is slightly faster than the 6650 xt, again I'll take the $20 savings. As for how much PCIe 4.0 improves the 6650 XT, you might want to think again. The following link shows the card using both pcie 3 and 4 at 1440p and, surprise, the fps gain is minimal at best. I don't care what the speed limit is on the highway, if your car can only go 60mph, you can only go 60mph.
It depends a lot on what you want to do with it. You can make a case for the 6650 XT at 1920x1080, but at higher resolutions, you're going to overflow the infinity cache it heavily relies on, and the 6700's much larger cache will at least sometimes mean much higher performance.
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I don't know how the products in this list were chosen, but at least some sites do them as "these are the best products from among the specific models that have been sent to us for review" and ignore everything else on the market.
Splattr had full autonomy to decide what he thought was best. The only thing I asked apart from choosing what he felt was best and backing it up in the text is that if it was something we did happen to review that we link back to it for more context if people wanted it. No more, no less.
And the most important part is missing. Where are the options for the CPUs?
Here's the deal with CPUs. When it comes to MMORPG gaming, just about any modern CPU will do the job and the bottleneck will be your GPU. But if I was forced to pick one:
Best overall: Pick a price, grab the Intel or AMD CPU that fits that price.
Best value: Ryzen R5 5600x - $166 with a cooler
Best budget: Ryzen R5 5500 - $98 with a cooler
No way that a GPU is a bottleneck for a MMO. Most of the time the bottleneck is the CPU. That is why it is very important pick for MMORPGs.
And the most important part is missing. Where are the options for the CPUs?
CPU is probably the least important when talking about the key components for a gaming PC. You still need a decent CPU but you don't need anywhere close to the latest and greatest. You can save some money on a CPU and put it towards something more important like the GPU, RAM or the SSD.
Actually the article is for MMORPG gaming PC and not for Single player games. The difference is so big. In MMORPGs you need a very strong CPU.
I don't know how the products in this list were chosen, but at least some sites do them as "these are the best products from among the specific models that have been sent to us for review" and ignore everything else on the market.
Splattr had full autonomy to decide what he thought was best. The only thing I asked apart from choosing what he felt was best and backing it up in the text is that if it was something we did happen to review that we link back to it for more context if people wanted it. No more, no less.
After seeing what Joseph said about interviews the other day it might be better to have these "standards" mentioned somewhere so that posters can be pointed to them. These days some people seem to be paranoid (not talking about you Quizzical) about every interview, game review and tech review. It might help put a lid on it.
What I think is really hard to justify is going with a GeForce RTX 3070 Ti at $650 over a Radeon RX 6800 at $480. They're close in performance with at least some sites saying that the Radeon is faster. And it's a lot cheaper, in addition to using less power under heavy loads.
Maybe people prefer the stability and additional features of the nVidia cards and drivers ?
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I'll stick to my G815 + G502 thank you very much.
Advantages ?
Both are wired, so no battery charging bullshit.
The touch of that keyboard is just amazing. And the mouse doesn't have a trillion buttons, so it's actually fully usable.
And for audio... 7.1 home cinema with a TONOR streamer microphone.
I wish manufacturers would pay me to promote their products. Then I could quit my real job and make videos on YouTube and TikTok.
The G815 and G502 are great pair. If you're looking for a low-profile keyboard, the G815 could easily be a better buy than the K100. I disagree about the G502 though; I like a lot of buttons on my mice for MMOs and ARPGs. I do keep a 2nd mouse on the desk for other games.And I used to agree with you about wireless products. Then I got some wireless mice. My keyboard is still corded but I'll never go back to a corded mouse.
I have no problems with the cord on my mouse, but then I have a wide workspace with a large mouse pad.
And about the keyboard, beside the "touch" of the 815 which I love, it's important for me to have a row of macro keys to the left that I can hit with my left hand little finger while playing.
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Only on MMORPG can we have heated arguments over recommendations for cards, keyboards and mice
Rolls sleeves up :-).........
I can never work out how to efficiently press those back row buttons on the side of the gaming mice with a full array of them. Tried a couple, but for me too many buttons spreading too far to the rear of the mouse. Just how are you supposed to press those? Base of the thumb? Still using the trusted Logitech G502 Hero mouse.
Rolls sleeves up :-).........
I can never work out how to efficiently press those back row buttons on the side of the gaming mice with a full array of them. Tried a couple, but for me too many buttons spreading too far to the rear of the mouse. Just how are you supposed to press those? Base of the thumb? Still using the trusted Logitech G502 Hero mouse.
Exactly that. I press the front two rows with the tip of my thumb and the back two rows I press a little further back on the thumb. I use the Aerox 9 which elongates the buttons horizontally and still don't have any issues pressing the correct buttons. It does take some time to get used to using the full set of buttons, but once muscle memory kicks in, you don't even think about it.
I would even say that once you are trained using them, thumb buttons are way more efficient than using the number row on your keyboard. You literally have to move your whole hand several inches to hit the = key on a keyboard. I was using the number row for MMOs without any major issues long before I had a 12-button mouse though, so I suppose it's just being comfortable with whatever device you use.
Just had to drop in and put a big thumbs up for the Logitech G600. I have had one of these for YEARS and it is still going. No physical or software issues. I am a fan of products in general that are drama free (software bugs, crappy build quality leading to failure etc) and this is probably the poster child mouse for that. Way more buttons than you need for any MMO and useful in RTS as well.
Razor Tartarus is great as well for my RTS games.
I think Steelseries deserves a mention on the headphone front. Same reason as the G600 mouse. No drama on drivers or build quality...it just WORKS and super comfortable for hour upon hour of gaming WITH glasses on. The voice chat output/input is super clean and overall audio quality is solid.
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https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
In that test the TVs suffered from burn-in if they displayed constantly something static (like CNN Live banners), but their conclusion was that as long as you watch varying content without static images burn-in shouldn't occur.
Rtings.com's test is already a bit old and I don't know if we have any good professional tests done after that (it took rtings.com 102 weeks to do their test so a test like this isn't cheap to do). But we know that modern LG TVs have techniques like:
LG including those kinds of techs tells us that as far as LG believes even their new OLED TVs can't display bright static image without burn-in.
Maybe people prefer the stability and additional features of the nVidia cards and drivers ?
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I have no problems with the cord on my mouse, but then I have a wide workspace with a large mouse pad.
And about the keyboard, beside the "touch" of the 815 which I love, it's important for me to have a row of macro keys to the left that I can hit with my left hand little finger while playing.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Rolls sleeves up :-).........
I can never work out how to efficiently press those back row buttons on the side of the gaming mice with a full array of them. Tried a couple, but for me too many buttons spreading too far to the rear of the mouse. Just how are you supposed to press those? Base of the thumb? Still using the trusted Logitech G502 Hero mouse.
I would even say that once you are trained using them, thumb buttons are way more efficient than using the number row on your keyboard. You literally have to move your whole hand several inches to hit the = key on a keyboard. I was using the number row for MMOs without any major issues long before I had a 12-button mouse though, so I suppose it's just being comfortable with whatever device you use.
Razor Tartarus is great as well for my RTS games.
I think Steelseries deserves a mention on the headphone front. Same reason as the G600 mouse. No drama on drivers or build quality...it just WORKS and super comfortable for hour upon hour of gaming WITH glasses on. The voice chat output/input is super clean and overall audio quality is solid.