"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
You are right, I am using the term success as I see it, for me early access has been a bane on the gaming industry. In terms of the gaming industry any early access that did as well as Valhiem is a massive success and simply getting the gaming community to accept EA has been a massive success as well.
We now have a Next Fest on Steam and early access titles are on game passes, early access is the new launch. Gaming going on to the internet caused more then enough of these problems, early access is a recipe for lack of polish, content you name it. The successful games that were in EA do not define what has happened, all the games languishing in early access, all the players who dipped a toe in and are now bored of the game or indeed payed for something that was never completed define what early access is.
"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
Fortnite was technically in Early Access for years while it funded Epic Games' entire empire. Early Access is just the new "released." And it's why you've started to see sites review early access titles like they are released titles ( we will be starting that this year ourselves).
That will put the cat among the pigeon's, once they get a score based on their EA they are going to hold back and polish before going to EA. Best news this year gaming wise.
"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
In terms of the gaming industry any early access that did as well as Valhiem is a massive success and simply getting the gaming community to accept EA has been a massive success as well.
We now have a Next Fest on Steam and early access titles are on game passes, early access is the new launch.
You do realize who is to blame for all of this, right?
Gamers who enthusiastically buy into all of it.
Which doesn't include me ....(outside of once buying an Albion Online Founders pack)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
Fortnite was technically in Early Access for years while it funded Epic Games' entire empire. Early Access is just the new "released." And it's why you've started to see sites review early access titles like they are released titles ( we will be starting that this year ourselves).
That will put the cat among the pigeon's, once the get a score based on their EA they are going to hold back and polish before going to EA. Best news this year gaming wise.
The challenge is that many reviewers tend to weigh “potential” in reviews which is always dangerous territory because I strays from what exists to what might or might not someday exist.
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A note on the depths to which Early Access has sunk.
I am playing a game and have been chatting with the developers on their Discord. This is an Early Access game which I won’t name. Anyhow, the game is fun, but certainly far from finished and very buggy. Even as far as player accounts not being able to login or servers needing to be restored from backups days earlier.
Basically a 2 man team, and quite friendly. But about a week ago I was DMed a test key to their New Game… which one of the Devs explained he had literally made over a single weekend and got it on Steam. It will be free to all who own the original game but it just speaks to the facts that there is simply no pressure to complete the EA games and also how bad Steam is that they can list a game that literally was put together by 1 guy over 2 days.
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"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
In terms of the gaming industry any early access that did as well as Valhiem is a massive success and simply getting the gaming community to accept EA has been a massive success as well.
We now have a Next Fest on Steam and early access titles are on game passes, early access is the new launch.
You do realize who is to blame for all of this, right?
Gamers who enthusiastically buy into all of it.
Which doesn't include me ....(outside of once buying an Albion Online Founders pack)
Which is why it's been so frustrating for years. If you complain you trigger folks to reflexively yell "Don't tell me how to spend my money' or "If I want to do X it doesn't affect you so leave me alone".
But at the end of the day, it DOES affect me. It affects all of us. F2P, Cashshop, Early Access, CryptoGaming, Kickstarter Scams... All impact our community.
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But at the end of the day, it DOES affect me. It affects all of us. F2P, Cashshop, Early Access, CryptoGaming, Kickstarter Scams... All impact our community.
Well said.
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You mean to tell me that giving companies your money, no-strings-attached, *didn't* result in a veritable gamer's cornucopia?
The fact that it took this many projects to get here is honestly a strike against the intelligence of humanity.
Well they were selling hope, dreams, and promises. Let's face it the average person is not a rocket scientist, myself included, I for one backed more than a couple of these train wrecks.
However like I posted earlier that well has been thoroughly poisoned. I won't back anything again. In fact I put money down on EQ Next and thought that was going to be something and Daybreak just kept my cash and delivered nothing. So it's not just kickstarter or crowd funding that is guilty of this.
Good luck pulling any of this junk now though. You would have to be eating paint chips or have more money than brains to back anything making promises like that today. Then again Dreamworld asked for 10k to make the best MMO evar and got 60k so...
I now wait a month before even considering buying into something and watch a couple hours worth of video and read multiple reviews etc. The studio actually has to present a game I can play to get my money. No more hopes and dreams for me and I think the average person has caught onto this as well.
The developers and studios brought this on themselves and have ruined it for anyone that actually COULD use kickstarter and make a successful MMO. Although with the monumental mountain of failure that is the kickstarter MMORPG I think the odds of any studio making something were next to nothing anyway.
So when I see stuff like:
Early access is the new release.
or
Publishers exist for a reason.
I'm just nodding my head. At the same time I think it was worth the shot to try and put some money into these options but after so much failure that ship has sailed.
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"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
In terms of the gaming industry any early access that did as well as Valhiem is a massive success and simply getting the gaming community to accept EA has been a massive success as well.
We now have a Next Fest on Steam and early access titles are on game passes, early access is the new launch.
You do realize who is to blame for all of this, right?
Gamers who enthusiastically buy into all of it.
Which doesn't include me ....(outside of once buying an Albion Online Founders pack)
Which is why it's been so frustrating for years. If you complain you trigger folks to reflexively yell "Don't tell me how to spend my money' or "If I want to do X it doesn't affect you so leave me alone".
But at the end of the day, it DOES affect me. It affects all of us. F2P, Cashshop, Early Access, CryptoGaming, Kickstarter Scams... All impact our community.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Every dollar spent on Kickstarter projects is a dollar encouraging more Kickstarter projects, and a dollar no longer available to support traditionally-funded games.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Kingdom Come: Deliverance had one of the most successful video game kickstarters ever. Do you know how much of the total development budget it paid for?
About 3%. For a singleplayer RPG. Three percent of the costs of development, for one of the most successful video game kickstarter campaigns ever — STILL, years later.
The issue was always people who thought you could make an MMO for a million dollars and willingly throwing their money into a moneypit.
Yes, as it turns out, publishers are actually important. Because you don't get a game at all without them.
Do you know what Warhorse used that money they raised for Kingdom Come deliverance to do?
Convince a publisher that people were interested in their games so they could secure real funding, not pocket change.
So while the Kickstarter raised only 3% of that needed, those funds were instrumental in securing a publisher which allowed to game to eventually be. You have disproven your claim it was never alive with your own example to the contrary.
"It remains in Early Access", so it cannot be regarded as a success, but I applaud the passion that has kept it going.
I'm not sure... think about something like Valheim. Massive hit. Still listed as Early Access.
A large part of this issue is that we just allow people to use words however they want. MMO, RPG, Early Access, Alpha, Beta...
The terms have been so badly mutilated that they are almost meaningless any longer.
Fortnite was technically in Early Access for years while it funded Epic Games' entire empire. Early Access is just the new "released." And it's why you've started to see sites review early access titles like they are released titles ( we will be starting that this year ourselves).
That will put the cat among the pigeon's, once the get a score based on their EA they are going to hold back and polish before going to EA. Best news this year gaming wise.
The challenge is that many reviewers tend to weigh “potential” in reviews which is always dangerous territory because I strays from what exists to what might or might not someday exist.
A tricky one but if a separate value was given for "potential" that might get round it, that means giving a game two scores mind you.
To me, it's not really about Kickstarter. It's more about indie developers needing to learn to stay in their lane. An indie studio with limited resources simply has no business taking on a project that, by definition, requires a triple-A budget.
Even if one or two outliers haven't totally crashed and burned, it is still a much wiser choice to start smaller and build your company on more stable ground.
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We now have a Next Fest on Steam and early access titles are on game passes, early access is the new launch. Gaming going on to the internet caused more then enough of these problems, early access is a recipe for lack of polish, content you name it. The successful games that were in EA do not define what has happened, all the games languishing in early access, all the players who dipped a toe in and are now bored of the game or indeed payed for something that was never completed define what early access is.
Gamers who enthusiastically buy into all of it.
Which doesn't include me ....(outside of once buying an Albion Online Founders pack)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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I am playing a game and have been chatting with the developers on their Discord. This is an Early Access game which I won’t name. Anyhow, the game is fun, but certainly far from finished and very buggy. Even as far as player accounts not being able to login or servers needing to be restored from backups days earlier.
Basically a 2 man team, and quite friendly. But about a week ago I was DMed a test key to their New Game… which one of the Devs explained he had literally made over a single weekend and got it on Steam. It will be free to all who own the original game but it just speaks to the facts that there is simply no pressure to complete the EA games and also how bad Steam is that they can list a game that literally was put together by 1 guy over 2 days.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
But at the end of the day, it DOES affect me. It affects all of us. F2P, Cashshop, Early Access, CryptoGaming, Kickstarter Scams... All impact our community.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
The fact that it took this many projects to get here is honestly a strike against the intelligence of humanity.
However like I posted earlier that well has been thoroughly poisoned. I won't back anything again. In fact I put money down on EQ Next and thought that was going to be something and Daybreak just kept my cash and delivered nothing. So it's not just kickstarter or crowd funding that is guilty of this.
Good luck pulling any of this junk now though. You would have to be eating paint chips or have more money than brains to back anything making promises like that today. Then again Dreamworld asked for 10k to make the best MMO evar and got 60k so...
I now wait a month before even considering buying into something and watch a couple hours worth of video and read multiple reviews etc. The studio actually has to present a game I can play to get my money. No more hopes and dreams for me and I think the average person has caught onto this as well.
The developers and studios brought this on themselves and have ruined it for anyone that actually COULD use kickstarter and make a successful MMO. Although with the monumental mountain of failure that is the kickstarter MMORPG I think the odds of any studio making something were next to nothing anyway.
So when I see stuff like:
Early access is the new release.
or
Publishers exist for a reason.
I'm just nodding my head. At the same time I think it was worth the shot to try and put some money into these options but after so much failure that ship has sailed.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Every dollar spent on Kickstarter projects is a dollar encouraging more Kickstarter projects, and a dollar no longer available to support traditionally-funded games.
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And the aftershoot parties were supposed to be pretty badass.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Wish on little pony, wish on.
So while the Kickstarter raised only 3% of that needed, those funds were instrumental in securing a publisher which allowed to game to eventually be. You have disproven your claim it was never alive with your own example to the contrary.
New versions of CF games will come back to haunt us.
Even if one or two outliers haven't totally crashed and burned, it is still a much wiser choice to start smaller and build your company on more stable ground.