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Prepare for Classic Hardcore With World of Warcraft's New Guide to Changes and Loot | MMORPG.com

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edited August 2023 in News & Features Discussion

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World of Warcraft Classic will be getting Hardcore on August 24th. Blizzard is getting everyone ready for what to expect, what to do beforehand, and what changes particular to the Hardcore mode you'll find.

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  • hsb320hsb320 Member UncommonPosts: 34
    cant wait!!!!
  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 526

    hsb320 said:

    cant wait!!!!



    Can't wait to hear about all the whining and complaints from softie players didn't like the way they died.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,750
    Looking forward to "First max level player dies from disconnect" announcement. Good times.
    JeroKaneGorwe
  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.
    nate1980IceAge
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    edited August 2023
    Why would you(or anyone) play an Always Online game in a Hardcore mode? Look, I am usually the target for HC modes, but not when paired with Always Online. Oh no, you don't!
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Permadeath in an MMO? That just sounds like a bad fucking time.

    The entire reason why hardcore is a thing in ARPGs is that in a (good) ARPG, leveling is quick, and fun. 
    GorweJeroKane
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  • WordsworthWordsworth Member UncommonPosts: 173
    What version of WoW is this? Is it vanilla up to AQ with the drops from 3.xx version that classic is on?
  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,435
    It's a fresh classic realm with a drawback. Nothing comes for free in the world (of warcraft).
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    Hardcore WOW is really popular right now on private servers. A ton of streamers are playing the hardcore servers and they have gone over surprisingly well.
    We will see if the 'official' servers do as well. 
    Yeah, but why? Again, I am the target demographic, nut even I have to say: "Hardcore + MMO? Not certain about that".
  • CalkrowCalkrow Member UncommonPosts: 92

    finefluff said:

    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.



    In my experiece bots aren't very good at staying alive.
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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    I was excited to hear about official hardcore realms releasing, but that excitement diminished once I read their ruleset. I'm okay with being able to group, because it's an MMO and grouping is fun. However, by allowing auction houses, mail, and trading they're opening the door wide open for bots and RMT to exist on the server. I quit playing Classic years ago because of how rampant RMT is in the community, which fuels GDKP's, which I loathe.

    I'm still uncertain if I'll download the game and subscribe for this. RMT and the culture on Classic servers is a HUGE turn off for me and the way Blizzard has handled their IP's in the last 10 years has broken any trust or brand loyalty I once had in the 2000's. They're a billion-dollar company and can afford to hire in game GM's to help take care of bots, but they don't.

    So I'll probably pass on this. I recently picked up Hogwart's Legacy and I'm enjoying it. I still haven't picked up Baldur's Gate 3 and soon Starfield will release. Besides all of those games, I still have 14 more single player games I've bought and never played on my Steam list that I want to work through as well. I neglected single player games since I got into MMO's in 2001. So I had a huge backlog I've been working through the last several years. This is all more appealing to me than investing my time into a hardcore realm that will likely be taken over by bots and their RMT customer using community. I don't mind losing my character, but working to get to 60 and being unable to play the game because I refuse to swipe my card to compete in GDKP's is a non-starter for me.
  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072

    Gorwe said:



    Hardcore WOW is really popular right now on private servers. A ton of streamers are playing the hardcore servers and they have gone over surprisingly well.
    We will see if the 'official' servers do as well. 


    Yeah, but why? Again, I am the target demographic, nut even I have to say: "Hardcore + MMO? Not certain about that".



    A lot of people prefer the journey over the destination in MMORPG's and hardcore makes that playstyle relevant for the first time since the early 2000's when you'd spend most of your time leveling up characters. Post 2004 MMORPG's have had easy leveling that's only been sped up over the years, making the endgame where you spend most of your time. End game is just repeating the same few dungeons and raids, and/or repeating daily quests.

    I was planning on playing hardcore and randomizing my characters to test my ability to adapt to the build while also avoiding death. However, since they're allowing AH and mail, RMT will happen and will destroy the server like all other classic servers have been ruined by it. So why bother?
    Gorwe
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,200

    finefluff said:

    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.



    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?

    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.
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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072

    IceAge said:



    finefluff said:


    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.






    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?



    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.



    MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. When people aren't playing by the same rules, it trivializes your accomplishment. Your argument is stale, old, and tone deaf to what people care about. You may not care, but other people care about being on an equal playing field. It's the same sentiment used when arguing against P2W mechanics in video games.

    Anyways, it's not about leveling to 60 faster, because there are classes/specs that can do that all by themselves. It's about reaching 60 to begin with. Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. But it also opens up a market for RMT. RMT is most impactful at the end game, where people are working together to get raid ready and then raid. BOTs/RMT impact that part of the game substantially. I'd rather play on a server where that's not an issue, because you can't trade gold or items, thus eliminating the market for RMT. It makes the dungeons and raids that much more challenging because everyone is struggling. There wouldn't be any twinks trivializing the challenge in your group, because there's no market to twink.
    finefluffSovrath
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    nate1980 said:

    Gorwe said:



    Hardcore WOW is really popular right now on private servers. A ton of streamers are playing the hardcore servers and they have gone over surprisingly well.
    We will see if the 'official' servers do as well. 


    Yeah, but why? Again, I am the target demographic, nut even I have to say: "Hardcore + MMO? Not certain about that".



    A lot of people prefer the journey over the destination in MMORPG's and hardcore makes that playstyle relevant for the first time since the early 2000's when you'd spend most of your time leveling up characters. Post 2004 MMORPG's have had easy leveling that's only been sped up over the years, making the endgame where you spend most of your time. End game is just repeating the same few dungeons and raids, and/or repeating daily quests.

    I was planning on playing hardcore and randomizing my characters to test my ability to adapt to the build while also avoiding death. However, since they're allowing AH and mail, RMT will happen and will destroy the server like all other classic servers have been ruined by it. So why bother?
    Sounds interesting. IF the activity itself was interesting. Which in MMOs, most of the time it is not. And there is no quick leveling etc like in aRPGs to get you hooked.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,200
    edited August 2023
    nate1980 said:

    IceAge said:



    finefluff said:


    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.






    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?



    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.



    MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. When people aren't playing by the same rules, it trivializes your accomplishment. Your argument is stale, old, and tone deaf to what people care about. You may not care, but other people care about being on an equal playing field. It's the same sentiment used when arguing against P2W mechanics in video games.

    Anyways, it's not about leveling to 60 faster, because there are classes/specs that can do that all by themselves. It's about reaching 60 to begin with. Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. But it also opens up a market for RMT. RMT is most impactful at the end game, where people are working together to get raid ready and then raid. BOTs/RMT impact that part of the game substantially. I'd rather play on a server where that's not an issue, because you can't trade gold or items, thus eliminating the market for RMT. It makes the dungeons and raids that much more challenging because everyone is struggling. There wouldn't be any twinks trivializing the challenge in your group, because there's no market to twink.
    Wait wait .. 

    "When people aren't playing by the same rules"?!

    Most of the people WILL play by the same rules, while SOME will, well .. use botting, gold buying etc ..........just like in every big MMORPG.

    I didn't read the rest, sorry, but ...have you been living under a rock? As I said, most big MMORPGs have this kind of issues with bots and RMT. Restricting the majority of players from using trade and AH because of SOME ( and because players like you can't put a self limit to not use AH or use trade ) , is ..pathetic.

    I want to use trade and AH. If a weapon drops which isn't for me but is good, I would sell it to AH and then with the gold I will buy a weapon for my class. But based on your .. ideology, I should not be able to do that because there will be some..bots and rmt , and Blizzard should block Trade and AH for every player....right?

    /facepalm


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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    IceAge said:
    nate1980 said:

    IceAge said:



    finefluff said:


    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.






    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?



    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.



    MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. When people aren't playing by the same rules, it trivializes your accomplishment. Your argument is stale, old, and tone deaf to what people care about. You may not care, but other people care about being on an equal playing field. It's the same sentiment used when arguing against P2W mechanics in video games.

    Anyways, it's not about leveling to 60 faster, because there are classes/specs that can do that all by themselves. It's about reaching 60 to begin with. Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. But it also opens up a market for RMT. RMT is most impactful at the end game, where people are working together to get raid ready and then raid. BOTs/RMT impact that part of the game substantially. I'd rather play on a server where that's not an issue, because you can't trade gold or items, thus eliminating the market for RMT. It makes the dungeons and raids that much more challenging because everyone is struggling. There wouldn't be any twinks trivializing the challenge in your group, because there's no market to twink.
    Wait wait .. 

    "When people aren't playing by the same rules"?!

    Most of the people WILL play by the same rules, while SOME will, well .. use botting, gold buying etc ..........just like in every big MMORPG.

    I didn't read the rest, sorry, but ...have you been living under a rock? As I said, most big MMORPGs have this kind of issues with bots and RMT. Restricting the majority of players from using trade and AH because of SOME ( and because players like you can't put a self limit to not use AH or use trade ) , is ..pathetic.

    I want to use trade and AH. If a weapon drops which isn't for me but is good, I would sell it to AH and then with the gold I will buy a weapon for my class. But based on your .. ideology, I should not be able to do that because there will be some..bots and rmt , and Blizzard should block Trade and AH for every player....right?

    /facepalm


    I'm not going to repeat myself. I made two posts to this thread, which you've admitted to not reading the entirety of. If you want an answer to your questions, then quit being lazy and read them. 
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,200
    edited August 2023

    nate1980 said:


    IceAge said:


    nate1980 said:



    IceAge said:





    finefluff said:



    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.









    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?





    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.






    MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. When people aren't playing by the same rules, it trivializes your accomplishment. Your argument is stale, old, and tone deaf to what people care about. You may not care, but other people care about being on an equal playing field. It's the same sentiment used when arguing against P2W mechanics in video games.



    Anyways, it's not about leveling to 60 faster, because there are classes/specs that can do that all by themselves. It's about reaching 60 to begin with. Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. But it also opens up a market for RMT. RMT is most impactful at the end game, where people are working together to get raid ready and then raid. BOTs/RMT impact that part of the game substantially. I'd rather play on a server where that's not an issue, because you can't trade gold or items, thus eliminating the market for RMT. It makes the dungeons and raids that much more challenging because everyone is struggling. There wouldn't be any twinks trivializing the challenge in your group, because there's no market to twink.


    Wait wait .. 

    "When people aren't playing by the same rules"?!

    Most of the people WILL play by the same rules, while SOME will, well .. use botting, gold buying etc ..........just like in every big MMORPG.

    I didn't read the rest, sorry, but ...have you been living under a rock? As I said, most big MMORPGs have this kind of issues with bots and RMT. Restricting the majority of players from using trade and AH because of SOME ( and because players like you can't put a self limit to not use AH or use trade ) , is ..pathetic.

    I want to use trade and AH. If a weapon drops which isn't for me but is good, I would sell it to AH and then with the gold I will buy a weapon for my class. But based on your .. ideology, I should not be able to do that because there will be some..bots and rmt , and Blizzard should block Trade and AH for every player....right?

    /facepalm




    I'm not going to repeat myself. I made two posts to this thread, which you've admitted to not reading the entirety of. If you want an answer to your questions, then quit being lazy and read them. 



    Yes yes, I did read.

    Basically is : We should all play the game based on your ideology, else it's a failed game.

    No. You play it like everyone else, or go to private servers.

    Trading and AH should stay because mostly, will be used by legit players.


    nate1980 said:



    IceAge said:





    finefluff said:



    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.









    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?





    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.






    Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. .




    I like to send gear to my alts and still keep it "a challenge". But .. again, please, feel free to not using any gear to send to your alts, not using AH and also not using trade. Self limit , please. Do not put a limit for all because .."insert QQ here".

    About RMT, it is what it is. They will always exist. I hate companies which block important features for every single player out there because...some are using RMT or bots.

    Self limit. Oh, did I said this already ? Use your own rules. Problem solved.

    EDIT: And about this part "MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. "

    LOL. You want to play the game single player mode but at the end of the day you call it a MMORPG and you want to flex your single player achievements? Yes, MMORPG are social games. AH and Trade is part of ..well, social.

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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    IceAge said:

    nate1980 said:


    IceAge said:


    nate1980 said:



    IceAge said:





    finefluff said:



    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.









    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?





    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.






    MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. When people aren't playing by the same rules, it trivializes your accomplishment. Your argument is stale, old, and tone deaf to what people care about. You may not care, but other people care about being on an equal playing field. It's the same sentiment used when arguing against P2W mechanics in video games.



    Anyways, it's not about leveling to 60 faster, because there are classes/specs that can do that all by themselves. It's about reaching 60 to begin with. Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. But it also opens up a market for RMT. RMT is most impactful at the end game, where people are working together to get raid ready and then raid. BOTs/RMT impact that part of the game substantially. I'd rather play on a server where that's not an issue, because you can't trade gold or items, thus eliminating the market for RMT. It makes the dungeons and raids that much more challenging because everyone is struggling. There wouldn't be any twinks trivializing the challenge in your group, because there's no market to twink.


    Wait wait .. 

    "When people aren't playing by the same rules"?!

    Most of the people WILL play by the same rules, while SOME will, well .. use botting, gold buying etc ..........just like in every big MMORPG.

    I didn't read the rest, sorry, but ...have you been living under a rock? As I said, most big MMORPGs have this kind of issues with bots and RMT. Restricting the majority of players from using trade and AH because of SOME ( and because players like you can't put a self limit to not use AH or use trade ) , is ..pathetic.

    I want to use trade and AH. If a weapon drops which isn't for me but is good, I would sell it to AH and then with the gold I will buy a weapon for my class. But based on your .. ideology, I should not be able to do that because there will be some..bots and rmt , and Blizzard should block Trade and AH for every player....right?

    /facepalm




    I'm not going to repeat myself. I made two posts to this thread, which you've admitted to not reading the entirety of. If you want an answer to your questions, then quit being lazy and read them. 



    Yes yes, I did read.

    Basically is : We should all play the game based on your ideology, else it's a failed game.

    No. You play it like everyone else, or go to private servers.

    Trading and AH should stay because mostly, will be used by legit players.


    nate1980 said:



    IceAge said:





    finefluff said:



    It will be filled with bots and rmt. It will be pointless.









    Why do you care? I mean you should force yourself to play without trading. So .. why do you care? Oh, because Johnny is using AH and might level faster to 60 than you?! Its that what Hardcore means ?





    Bots and RMT was always a problem in WoW. No difference here, but as I said, don't use AH and Trade and you will be ok.






    Being able to trade your alts gear and gold trivializes the challenge. .




    I like to send gear to my alts and still keep it "a challenge". But .. again, please, feel free to not using any gear to send to your alts, not using AH and also not using trade. Self limit , please. Do not put a limit for all because .."insert QQ here".

    About RMT, it is what it is. They will always exist. I hate companies which block important features for every single player out there because...some are using RMT or bots.

    Self limit. Oh, did I said this already ? Use your own rules. Problem solved.

    EDIT: And about this part "MMORPG's are social games, so sharing your achievements and having that common bond of the struggle is part of it. "

    LOL. You want to play the game single player mode but at the end of the day you call it a MMORPG and you want to flex your single player achievements? Yes, MMORPG are social games. AH and Trade is part of ..well, social.
    You lack reading comprehension. As I've already said, I won't be playing on the server. I'll be sticking to my single player games. The only reason I even was following news on this is because of the SSF addon that prompted Blizzard to even consider creating a hardcore server. What appealed to me the most about the addon is the trade restrictions, not the grouping restrictions. Trading, inarguably, softens the challenge of playing hardcore. I'm not going to waste my time playing on a server that, within months, will be hardly indistinguishable to other Era servers.

    Once RMT is in full swing and players are sending gold and items via mail to their alts, it will no longer be a challenge. This impacts all players, including those you want to create their own self restrictions. Meta's will spring up only allowing twinks in their dungeon and raid groups, GDPS's will be in full swing again, and the achievement of getting to 60 the hard way will be meaningless. So, I won't bother, and it seems like a lot of people aren't happy about this based on their official forums.
  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    If bots and what other people are doing don't matter, then why does there need to be an official HC realm anyway? Why can't everyone just keep playing on normal realms with their own self-imposed rules like people were already doing? If Blizzard doesn't take bots and rmt on these realms seriously, then what will be the point of them? BTW, the community HC rules included no trading and no AH. https://classichardcore.com/rules/
    nate1980
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    finefluff said:
    If bots and what other people are doing don't matter, then why does there need to be an official HC realm anyway? Why can't everyone just keep playing on normal realms with their own self-imposed rules like people were already doing? If Blizzard doesn't take bots and rmt on these realms seriously, then what will be the point of them? BTW, the community HC rules included no trading and no AH. https://classichardcore.com/rules/
    But what's the point of an MMO + Hardcore then? Regardless, imho, that is a very difficult pairing to begin with, but if you start taking away MMO elements ... ?
  • MMOgamerdad666MMOgamerdad666 Member UncommonPosts: 35
    I guess if you Leeerooyyy!! in a dungeon you'll be a very hated person.
    IceAge
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