New Details on How Amazon is Changing Throne and Liberty for Western Audiences | MMORPG.com

System · August 2023

New Details on How Amazon is Changing Throne and Liberty for Western Audiences | MMORPG.com

A new interview from Gamescom sheds some light on some of Amazon's plans for its release of NCSoft's Throne and Liberty. Topics covered include PvP, concerns over autoplay, monetization, combat, and possible console release.

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Scot · August 2023

"One of the biggest complaints is about autoplay"

Why? These games are full of bots, now you can be a Bot, its a selling point.

"The Western edition will also turn off free PvP at night in the world", so presumably you have to pay for PvP to me turned of in the day? Of course you do, can we also be charged for using a keyboard and mouse next, or even better using a monitor? FFS.

Kyleran · August 2023

I suspect there's some information being left out or misunderstood in that translation.

Cactus_LFRez · August 2023

Scot said:
"The Western edition will also turn off free PvP at night in the world", so presumably you have to pay for PvP to me turned of in the day? Of course you do, can we also be charged for using a keyboard and mouse next, or even better using a monitor? FFS.

In an interview it was said the Korean version, will have open PvP at night with a sort of karma system.
(In einem koreanischen Interview hieß es, dass es während des Nacht-Zyklus PvP ohne Restriktionen und Karma-System geben wird.)

But in the western version that is disabled, however there are certain PVP dungeons open at night
(Auch das soll es in unserer Version nicht geben. Allerdings werden bestimmte Dungeons nur nachts geöffnet, in denen wiederum PvP herrscht.)

The zones are PVE zones but each zone has a keep that you can siege and every 2 to 3 days the zone becomes fully PVP enabled. Players are told in advance.
(Die Zonen sind grundsätzlich erstmal PvE-Gebiete.

Jedes Gebiet hat aber einen Außenposten, um den gekämpft werden kann. Das passiert zu einer bestimmten Zeit alle 2 bis 3 Tage. Wenn der Kampfmodus aktiv ist, herrscht offenes PvP in dem Gebiet. Das wird jedoch vorher angekündigt.)

So it looks like there is no open free for all PVP but rather zones will become PVP enabled on a rotation, and will be focused on capturing outposts. Plus dungeons are PVP enabled

FrodoFragins · August 2023

Amazon must have learned something from the issues porting Lost Ark to the west. I doubt it was enough though.

Groqstrong · August 2023

Depending on how long it takes to gain xp at higher levels, disabling autoplay could be a mistake. I like the option to do both.

Dattelis · August 2023

I'm still waiting on Amazon getting Smilegate to do away with the genderlocking in Lost Ark like they promised, if anyone still remembers that. Then again, it seems there's a lot of people okay with playing little girls in video games over the past decade.

Kyleran · August 2023

Cactus_LFRez said:

Scot said:
"The Western edition will also turn off free PvP at night in the world", so presumably you have to pay for PvP to me turned of in the day? Of course you do, can we also be charged for using a keyboard and mouse next, or even better using a monitor? FFS.

In an interview it was said the Korean version, will have open PvP at night with a sort of karma system.
(In einem koreanischen Interview hieß es, dass es während des Nacht-Zyklus PvP ohne Restriktionen und Karma-System geben wird.)

But in the western version that is disabled, however there are certain PVP dungeons open at night
(Auch das soll es in unserer Version nicht geben. Allerdings werden bestimmte Dungeons nur nachts geöffnet, in denen wiederum PvP herrscht.)

The zones are PVE zones but each zone has a keep that you can siege and every 2 to 3 days the zone becomes fully PVP enabled. Players are told in advance.
(Die Zonen sind grundsätzlich erstmal PvE-Gebiete.
Jedes Gebiet hat aber einen Außenposten, um den gekämpft werden kann. Das passiert zu einer bestimmten Zeit alle 2 bis 3 Tage. Wenn der Kampfmodus aktiv ist, herrscht offenes PvP in dem Gebiet. Das wird jedoch vorher angekündigt.)

So it looks like there is no open free for all PVP but rather zones will become PVP enabled on a rotation, and will be focused on capturing outposts. Plus dungeons are PVP enabled

Reminds me of ArcheAge at US Alpha, zones would be enabled for PVP on a rotational basis so players would often wait for them to flip to PVE to complete quests in or move goods through.

Xoph · August 2023

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

Valdheim · August 2023

Funny I've read the original interview on Mein-MMO.de in the morning at work only to now see the translation here.

I must admit that even though I despise auto play the fact that the game was designed with auto play in mind, removing it might cause some problems if exp rates aren't adjusted.

Same with all the pvp restrictions. I don't know, to me it seems like they listen to the wrong feedback changing stuff that is to deeply rooted in the games design while at the same time not adressing the games most glaring problem that is the atrocious combat.

Dattelis · August 2023

Valdheim said:

Funny I've read the original interview on Mein-MMO.de in the morning at work only to now see the translation here.

I must admit that even though I despise auto play the fact that the game was designed with auto play in mind, removing it might cause some problems if exp rates aren't adjusted.

Same with all the pvp restrictions. I don't know, to me it seems like they listen to the wrong feedback changing stuff that is to deeply rooted in the games design while at the same time not adressing the games most glaring problem that is the atrocious combat.

That's what proper testing phases are for. Removing the mobile mechanics isn't difficult if they actual test the game afterwards instead of using it as free advertisement like most companies use their 'alpha/beta' periods for these days.

Since this is also related to AGS, it doesn't appear that Blue Protocol hasn't been doing so well in JP either. AGS really knows how to pick em....

OG_Solareus · August 2023

this game will never release.

Sovrath · August 2023

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Kyleran · August 2023

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

And we've come full circle after 20 years.

Iselin · August 2023

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Is that a bad thing? Never played it myself but I know many were hoping for Lineage 3 out of this.

Nanfoodle · August 2023

IMO, this list is all good things. I do agree leveling needs to be scaled with Auto play removed, as I am sure the game was tuned to earn money with auto play, making it overly grindy on purpose.

Xiaoki · August 2023

OG_Solareus said:

this game will never release.

And nothing of value will be lost.

Auto play isn't the only problem. The combat just plain sucks.

NCsoft said they would work on the combat but I have ZERO faith they will be able to improve it so much that it's even just mediocre.

Greatness · August 2023

Iselin said:

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Is that a bad thing? Never played it myself but I know many were hoping for Lineage 3 out of this.

It’ll be worse, I loved Lineage 2 - reading this somehow they only have 1 castle? Lineage 2 had many (and definitely needed for the amount of guilds and power control). The whole PVP system seems uncertain as well. After so many years, this is ridiculous.

Xoph · August 2023

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Honestly, I would love for this to be a Lineage 2 clone, with better graphics. I played Lineage and Lineage 2 for many years... Lineage 1 being the first MMO I played way back in 1998. NCSoft even sent me a Lineage t shirt in the mail along with a disc to install the game. Wish I still had that t shirt.

However, I'm not a young man anymore. I can't grind for 24 hours a day anymore. I was actually looking forward to that auto play in T&L.

Xoph · August 2023

Greatness said:

Iselin said:

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Is that a bad thing? Never played it myself but I know many were hoping for Lineage 3 out of this.

It’ll be worse, I loved Lineage 2 - reading this somehow they only have 1 castle? Lineage 2 had many (and definitely needed for the amount of guilds and power control). The whole PVP system seems uncertain as well. After so many years, this is ridiculous.

I thought the same thing about 1 castle. It's going to limit pvp to just 1 big shit show every 2 weeks. In Lineage 2 it was several castles, with several clans and alliances, which really setup for great politics (help us take this castle and we'll help you defend yours, type of stuff). Maybe they'll add more territories with content updates, adding more towns and castles.

I just wish they would remaster Lineage 2 with Unreal 5. Would truly be amazing.

Sovrath · August 2023

Iselin said:

Sovrath said:

Xoph said:

So no auto play.

This means you will have to grind monsters 15 hours a day to be competitive for pvp.

And this also means people will just make 3rd party programs to bot.

Once again Amazon has listened to "feedback" and is changing core elements of a game because of it.

So, essentially, Lineage 2.

Is that a bad thing? Never played it myself but I know many were hoping for Lineage 3 out of this.

Not for me it isn't. I loved Lineage 2.

Dattelis · August 2023

Wait doesn't Lineage 2 have auto-combat now?

Xoph · August 2023

Dattelis said:

Wait doesn't Lineage 2 have auto-combat now?

Yes it does. But for a long time it didn't. Many people just used 3rd party programs to bot before it was added into the game.

Kumapon · August 2023

Autoplay itself isn't the problem. It's that the entire game is designed to accommodate it.

Examples with made up numbers: leveling takes 5x more time to account for people autoing it, drop rates are 10x less due to autoing, etc. Combat is static to allow it to be autoed, etc.

emanueljoab · August 2023

More like: "How Amazon is censoring another eastern game for its own agenda".

Hideurfear · August 2023

i really dont get it why they take consider people that playing wow and other PVE based games, this is like Lineage , Lineage is a fcking hardcore PVP based game, its super grindy and requires lots of players to be together so you can achive endgame. Removing Autofarm is a huge mistake cause people that grown up with games like lineage are like 30-40 now and have families to take care and no time to grind 10 hours a day, 2nd of all pvp should be full freely and who doesnt like that can leave and play something else, cause this should be a pvp game not PVE. i still dont get why they destroy such a nice looking game for some american wow player crying kids. its a waste that they dont leave NCSoft do what they do best. Anyways still gonna try it hope for the best.

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