Ashes of Creation Alpha Two Caravan Preview

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• Nanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

  November 2023

  Here is the full Nov update if you want to see talking heads
  
  (19) Development Update with Caravan Preview - 11AM PT Tuesday, October 31, 2023 - YouTube
  
• Nanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

  November 2023

  Ryve put out a short condensed breakdown if this info into a 8 min video. 
  
  (1) Caravans are INCREDIBLE in Ashes of Creation - YouTube
  
• Wargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,406

  November 2023

  I'm not going to watch hours of video so I'll just ask: Does the system feature crafters/gatherers putting in dozens of hours to provide 15 minutes of content to "bandits"?
  
  
  
• Nanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

  November 2023 edited November 2023

  Wargfoot said:

  I'm not going to watch hours of video so I'll just ask: Does the system feature crafters/gatherers putting in dozens of hours to provide 15 minutes of content to "bandits"?
  
  
  

  Im not sure I follow your question but asking about crafting I can say. Items and matts are different from node to node. You can sell your matts and crafted good in your nod but you make more money if you put them on a Caravan and ship the good to other nodes. Its the risk vs reward. You can sell them local for less and make some money or risk your good and use a Caravan that can be raided by players or NPCs to get more money. So this is tied into every part of the game when it comes to making money. 
  
  PS that last video I posted in a 8 min video that covers everything important from the 1.5hr main video. 
• Wargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,406

  November 2023

  Nanfoodle said:

  Wargfoot said:

  I'm not going to watch hours of video so I'll just ask: Does the system feature crafters/gatherers putting in dozens of hours to provide 15 minutes of content to "bandits"?
  
  
  

  Im not sure I follow your question but asking about crafting I can say. Items and matts are different from node to node. You can sell your matts and crafted good in your nod but you make more money if you put them on a Caravan and ship the good to other nodes. Its the risk vs reward. You can sell them local for less and make some money or risk your good and use a Caravan that can be raided by players or NPCs to get more money. So this is tied into every part of the game when it comes to making money. 
  
  PS that last video I posted in a 8 min video that covers everything important from the 1.5hr main video. 

  Thanks, I think that answers it.
  
  My question is this: "How many of our resident crafters are willing to spend hours harvesting nodes to risk it on a 'caravan' to double your profits OR give some bandits 10 minutes of game-play"?
  
  Why wouldn't a crafter just play a game where he can get 100% payout with no risk?
  
  I'm willing to bet 90% of crafters quit after the loss of the first 'caravan'.
  Once that happens, bandits will quit for want of targets.
  
  Could be the developers understand some element of game play I've missed (I'm glad to get an education) but I've seen this play out so many times and I know my own mind on the topic.
  
  In Shadowbane we had to take care about wiping out other cities because if that happened the other team would just quit out right.  I'm not sure how much of the gaming population is willing to lose, rebuild, lose, rebuild.... but games are face-roll easy these days so I bet it's less than 5%.
  
  
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  1: This is my impression.  I've no hard data.
• Nanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

  November 2023

  Wargfoot said:

  Nanfoodle said:

  Wargfoot said:

  I'm not going to watch hours of video so I'll just ask: Does the system feature crafters/gatherers putting in dozens of hours to provide 15 minutes of content to "bandits"?
  
  
  

  Im not sure I follow your question but asking about crafting I can say. Items and matts are different from node to node. You can sell your matts and crafted good in your nod but you make more money if you put them on a Caravan and ship the good to other nodes. Its the risk vs reward. You can sell them local for less and make some money or risk your good and use a Caravan that can be raided by players or NPCs to get more money. So this is tied into every part of the game when it comes to making money. 
  
  PS that last video I posted in a 8 min video that covers everything important from the 1.5hr main video. 

  Thanks, I think that answers it.
  
  My question is this: "How many of our resident crafters are willing to spend hours harvesting nodes to risk it on a 'caravan' to double your profits OR give some bandits 10 minutes of game-play"?
  
  Why wouldn't a crafter just play a game where he can get 100% payout with no risk?
  
  I'm willing to bet 90% of crafters quit after the loss of the first 'caravan'.
  Once that happens, bandits will quit for want of targets.
  
  Could be the developers understand some element of game play I've missed (I'm glad to get an education) but I've seen this play out so many times and I know my own mind on the topic.
  
  In Shadowbane we had to take care about wiping out other cities because if that happened the other team would just quit out right.  I'm not sure how much of the gaming population is willing to lose, rebuild, lose, rebuild.... but games are face-roll easy these days so I bet it's less than 5%.
  
  
  NOTES:
  ------------------------------------------------------------------
  1: This is my impression.  I've no hard data.

  Again you are missing the point. This game is for people who like PvP first. People who like PvP also like PvP risk reward. If thats not for you, thats ok. I am a hard core crafter that also loves PvP. If this game ends up being a good game. I most likely will be playing it for years and having fun when the risk pays off and when I lose my shirt =-) Yup, I will enjoy it not matter how it lands. 
• Wargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,406

  November 2023

  Nanfoodle said:

  Wargfoot said:

  Nanfoodle said:

  Wargfoot said:

  I'm not going to watch hours of video so I'll just ask: Does the system feature crafters/gatherers putting in dozens of hours to provide 15 minutes of content to "bandits"?
  
  
  

  Im not sure I follow your question but asking about crafting I can say. Items and matts are different from node to node. You can sell your matts and crafted good in your nod but you make more money if you put them on a Caravan and ship the good to other nodes. Its the risk vs reward. You can sell them local for less and make some money or risk your good and use a Caravan that can be raided by players or NPCs to get more money. So this is tied into every part of the game when it comes to making money. 
  
  PS that last video I posted in a 8 min video that covers everything important from the 1.5hr main video. 

  Thanks, I think that answers it.
  
  My question is this: "How many of our resident crafters are willing to spend hours harvesting nodes to risk it on a 'caravan' to double your profits OR give some bandits 10 minutes of game-play"?
  
  Why wouldn't a crafter just play a game where he can get 100% payout with no risk?
  
  I'm willing to bet 90% of crafters quit after the loss of the first 'caravan'.
  Once that happens, bandits will quit for want of targets.
  
  Could be the developers understand some element of game play I've missed (I'm glad to get an education) but I've seen this play out so many times and I know my own mind on the topic.
  
  In Shadowbane we had to take care about wiping out other cities because if that happened the other team would just quit out right.  I'm not sure how much of the gaming population is willing to lose, rebuild, lose, rebuild.... but games are face-roll easy these days so I bet it's less than 5%.
  
  
  NOTES:
  ------------------------------------------------------------------
  1: This is my impression.  I've no hard data.

  Again you are missing the point. This game is for people who like PvP first. People who like PvP also like PvP risk reward. If thats not for you, thats ok. I am a hard core crafter that also loves PvP. If this game ends up being a good game. I most likely will be playing it for years and having fun when the risk pays off and when I lose my shirt =-) Yup, I will enjoy it not matter how it lands. 

  I will say that if they pull this off it will be nothing short of a revolution in gaming.
  I look forward to your reviews....and, maybe taking your stuff.
  
  
  

  
• Nanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875

  November 2023

  PS, this update was not about nodes. You can raid a node but you can remove it from the map in PvP. You can raid it and when its sacked it de-levels. Meaning the surrounding nodes can level higher. So nodes around you can work together with packs or fight for who gets to level their node to the next advancement.