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Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Is Dropping Its 247 Extraction Mode Following Backer Pushback | MMORPG.

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited November 2023 in News & Features Discussion

imagePantheon: Rise of the Fallen Is Dropping Its 247 Extraction Mode Following Backer Pushback | MMORPG.com

After a rough few weeks, Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen developer Visionary Realms has reversed course, canceling its planned 247 Extraction gameplay mode and returning to its full PvE MMORPG development. This is after fan outcry against the spin-off mode reached a fever pitch at the end of October, with this reversal coming thanks to that feedback.

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  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,768
    This is good, actually.
    ScotNanfoodleharken33
    Preaching Pantheon to People at PAX PAX East 2018 Day 4 - YouTube
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    What I never understood is how an extraction mode was supposed to be able to help develop a MMO. That plus it taking away from the time for MMO development to create the mode.

    Good news, players are happy to wait longer if they get what they want or maybe even an approximation of what they want. But how long will they have to wait, no idea now.
    achesomaKyleranharken33
  • SithosSithos Member UncommonPosts: 315
    I had high hopes for Pantheon when they announced it 10 years ago. Given the last decade and seeing the current state of the game I have lost that hope. I know graphics aren't the end all and be all but it took them 10 years to settle on a graphical style and current graphics after 10 years of development are worse than EQ 1 which is nearing 25 years old. What happened to all the Kickstarter money? What about the pledges they have had open for the last few years? Where's the development gone over 10 years of time and money? Most gamers I know that played since EQ days don't even have VR/Pantheon on their radar anymore and think of it as an ongoing scam.
  • RyukanRyukan Member UncommonPosts: 857
    This is the right move and the only good one for them, even if it is just damage control at this point. It was dumb of them to think the spin-off was ever going to be well received by any means.
    harken33
  • sweetdreamssweetdreams Member UncommonPosts: 206
    Oh good, now the "devs" can blame dropping 247 for the failure of launching Pantheon. They went "bankrupt or something" from all the $1,000.00 beta invites and other backups, and funds, and/or donations.
    Lark3m
  • OxspyttaOxspytta Member UncommonPosts: 21

    Sithos said:

    I had high hopes for Pantheon when they announced it 10 years ago. Given the last decade and seeing the current state of the game I have lost that hope. I know graphics aren't the end all and be all but it took them 10 years to settle on a graphical style and current graphics after 10 years of development are worse than EQ 1 which is nearing 25 years old. What happened to all the Kickstarter money? What about the pledges they have had open for the last few years? Where's the development gone over 10 years of time and money? Most gamers I know that played since EQ days don't even have VR/Pantheon on their radar anymore and think of it as an ongoing scam.



    Kickstarter wasn't succesful so there never was any money from that!
    Kyleranharken33
  • SarlaSarla Member UncommonPosts: 401
    I think this is just another one of those kickstarts thats going to end up or already is a dumpsterfire and that will be there.

    The only fun in this game will be watching the drama
  • GrymmoireGrymmoire Member UncommonPosts: 190
    Preaching Pantheon to People at PAX PAX East 2018 Day 4 - YouTube
    In released games we Trust; All others buy alphas and betas and wait eh?


  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,163
    Again another example of devs that were completely out of touch with thier customers.  I guess they got reaquainted in a hurry.  When everyone including the fanboys turn on you, then you know it was a bad idea.

    How they thought this was a good idea in the first place is baffling.
    harken33Ryukan
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Grymmoire said:
    Preaching Pantheon to People at PAX PAX East 2018 Day 4 - YouTube
    In released games we Trust; All others buy alphas and betas and wait eh?


    Looks like Bazgrim, who up an vanished back in the summer saying he was taking a break from streaming, hasn't been heard of since.

    Broken faith can shatter a person.
    ValdemarJharken33Renfail

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605
    Not surprising, considering even the most hardcore fans were pissed at VR for doing this. But again it shows that the people in charge of VR are completely incompetent. 

    They wasted a year on this 24/7 thing, in time and money, saying it was to help speed up testing and development. 
    ValdemarJharken33
  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,644
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!
    Lark3mharken33

    Proud MMORPG.com member since March 2004!  Make PvE GREAT Again!

  • Mackaveli44Mackaveli44 Member RarePosts: 717
    Ouch, I am not a fan of the new animations, new spell graphics. Massive step backwards.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Kumapon said:
    Not surprising, considering even the most hardcore fans were pissed at VR for doing this. But again it shows that the people in charge of VR are completely incompetent. 

    They wasted a year on this 24/7 thing, in time and money, saying it was to help speed up testing and development. 
    This is how stories on the Internet go, team takes a few months to develop something new, now it's been a year, soon it will be since Brad died.

    ;)

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,163
    Kyleran said:
    Grymmoire said:
    Preaching Pantheon to People at PAX PAX East 2018 Day 4 - YouTube
    In released games we Trust; All others buy alphas and betas and wait eh?


    Looks like Bazgrim, who up an vanished back in the summer saying he was taking a break from streaming, hasn't been heard of since.

    Broken faith can shatter a person.
    I am leaning towards, even the most naive white knight starts to get a clue "Eventually".

    He either got a conscience or had an epiphany.


    KumaponKyleranharken33
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    TokkenSovrathachesomaharken33
  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,163
    Well maybe we will finally get that end of year Alpha access they promised.  Few years late but at least this huge fiasco delivered us Alpha AND with an NDA lift.

    There are alot of Alpha testers, and not all are going to be fanbois, so there will at least be some true info going out.  I might have to log in just to see for myself.

    This could rekindle the flame, or break it forever.  High risk move, interested in how it pans out.
    harken33
  • GrymmoireGrymmoire Member UncommonPosts: 190
    Tokken said:
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!

    Perhaps they can beg some from Chris Roberts, I'm sure he has a few million to spare eh!
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Grymmoire said:
    Tokken said:
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!

    Perhaps they can beg some from Chris Roberts, I'm sure he has a few million to spare eh!
    Naw, over at Roberts Industries they are pretty busy setting fire to money.



    Scotharken33Grymmoire

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Grymmoire said:
    Tokken said:
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!

    Perhaps they can beg some from Chris Roberts, I'm sure he has a few million to spare eh!
    I did ask Chris to look down the sofa and see if he had any spare change he could spare for indie MMOs. No reply so far. :)
    Grymmoire
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,096
    Kyleran said:
    Grymmoire said:
    Tokken said:
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!

    Perhaps they can beg some from Chris Roberts, I'm sure he has a few million to spare eh!
    Naw, over at Roberts Industries they are pretty busy setting fire to money.



    LOL! But you can say a lot about Chris Roberts and him not being good at Economy and project lead and all, ........but at least he keeps a lot of people in employment, who actually get paid a salary.

    Especially after what is currently happening all over in the industry with mass lay-offs. 
    RenfailSensai
  • Lark3mLark3m Member UncommonPosts: 52
    I get that they wanted a new stream of income, devs can't live on hopes and dreams after all, but the decision was a little tone-deaf after what happened with chronicles of elyria and their spin-off thing no?
    harken33
  • harken33harken33 Member UncommonPosts: 286

    achesoma said:

    This is good, actually.



    I agree this is a good decision, although the best decision would have been to never try this to begin with.

    Are they the first ones to *reverse* their decision on a second game? I remember Camelot Unchained doubled down on the Ragnarok game.
  • SensaiSensai Member UncommonPosts: 222
    JeroKane said:
    Kyleran said:
    Grymmoire said:
    Tokken said:
    They need money to function........ where is that money coming from? Game is Dead without $$$!

    Perhaps they can beg some from Chris Roberts, I'm sure he has a few million to spare eh!
    Naw, over at Roberts Industries they are pretty busy setting fire to money.



    LOL! But you can say a lot about Chris Roberts and him not being good at Economy and project lead and all, ........but at least he keeps a lot of people in employment, who actually get paid a salary.

    Especially after what is currently happening all over in the industry with mass lay-offs. 
    Yes, just like mob bosses and heads of drug cartels keep a lot of people employed. 

    image

  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member UncommonPosts: 589
    What a surprise ... indie developers fail to ask for enough money and then try something extremely shady to try to continue funding their "game" (which in reality is little more than a pile of overly optimistic dev blogs.)
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