I was just walking around in Rome and I was getting annoyed at the number of owners who do not pick up their dog's shit or leave them off the leash. I compared it to Singapore where fines of up to 1000 Singapore Dollars makes everyone obey their rules. They come to Malaysia however and litter indiscriminately.
Fines, that has nothing to do with morality. It's simply breaking the law.
Company is on my do not buy from list they went full greed... one simply doesn't go full greed. Telling us get used to not owning our products we purchased get real Ubisoft... Do us a favor call Larian Studios and wake up.
Ubisoft getting put in its place by the Larian Bear, you could not make that up.
That's a fake claim that has been spouted plenty over the decades but too each their own, companies pull crap like this cause they want to milk their playerbase point blank.
Whether you sail the high seas or not isn't my business nor is it yours and I am not going to debate it with you cause there no convincing people one way or the other as most peeps already have their minds set on this.
I'm too old to give a crapola about peoples superior sense of morality.
I think having access to or acquiring something that you shouldn’t have access to is just baseline behavior . Superior isn’t required.
Morality is subjective, whether you are for or against piracy in this context someone some where is going to find some moral fault or reasoning in your logic or argument, also by superior morality I meant about people preaching from a high horse as more often than not they got some dubious moral ideas in other areas....
One thing you learn as you get older is everyone is crazy and crooked but just in different ways so the trick to being happy in life is to find your kind of like minded cray cray and let the preachers on the street corners do their own thing.
Internet forums and social media are a prime example of how this is true.
Noooo not everyone is crazy and crooked but I suppose it helps justify a "I do what I want" attitude.
See that the thing no one is perfect but some people cant admit it. Just because you don't break a law doesn't mean you're morality faultless or perfect.
This isn't an opinion, morality is subjective and being good or bad depends from your point of view regardless of breaking any laws or not.
Nothing is fully black or white which is why you don't get life for a speeding ticket.
There’s a huge difference between “no one is perfect “ and “everyone is crazy and crooked!”
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Company is on my do not buy from list they went full greed... one simply doesn't go full greed. Telling us get used to not owning our products we purchased get real Ubisoft... Do us a favor call Larian Studios and wake up.
Why get at mad at Ubisoft for being right?
You might not want to hear that you don't own your video games but it's the truth.
Physical media is disappearing.
For console games physical sales only amounted to 10% of total sales in 2023.
Walmart got rid of physical Xbox games.
Target just announced they will get rid of all physical entertainment products by 2025.
And as we have seen with digital games your access to them is at the mercy of the publisher.
This is the future that people wanted but now that it's finally here everyone is complaining.
That's a fake claim that has been spouted plenty over the decades but too each their own, companies pull crap like this cause they want to milk their playerbase point blank.
Whether you sail the high seas or not isn't my business nor is it yours and I am not going to debate it with you cause there no convincing people one way or the other as most peeps already have their minds set on this.
I'm too old to give a crapola about peoples superior sense of morality.
I think having access to or acquiring something that you shouldn’t have access to is just baseline behavior . Superior isn’t required.
Morality is subjective, whether you are for or against piracy in this context someone some where is going to find some moral fault or reasoning in your logic or argument, also by superior morality I meant about people preaching from a high horse as more often than not they got some dubious moral ideas in other areas....
One thing you learn as you get older is everyone is crazy and crooked but just in different ways so the trick to being happy in life is to find your kind of like minded cray cray and let the preachers on the street corners do their own thing.
Internet forums and social media are a prime example of how this is true.
Noooo not everyone is crazy and crooked but I suppose it helps justify a "I do what I want" attitude.
See that the thing no one is perfect but some people cant admit it. Just because you don't break a law doesn't mean you're morality faultless or perfect.
This isn't an opinion, morality is subjective and being good or bad depends from your point of view regardless of breaking any laws or not.
Nothing is fully black or white which is why you don't get life for a speeding ticket.
There’s a huge difference between “no one is perfect “ and “everyone is crazy and crooked!”
I’ll add that “yes” morality is complex and complicated but that’s not going to wash if I tell the cops that when they roll up besides me at 3 am while I’m loading up a truck of All Modern furniture.
”Sir, the back door was open and as you know, morality is subjective… “
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That's a fake claim that has been spouted plenty over the decades but too each their own, companies pull crap like this cause they want to milk their playerbase point blank.
Whether you sail the high seas or not isn't my business nor is it yours and I am not going to debate it with you cause there no convincing people one way or the other as most peeps already have their minds set on this.
I'm too old to give a crapola about peoples superior sense of morality.
I think having access to or acquiring something that you shouldn’t have access to is just baseline behavior . Superior isn’t required.
Morality is subjective, whether you are for or against piracy in this context someone some where is going to find some moral fault or reasoning in your logic or argument, also by superior morality I meant about people preaching from a high horse as more often than not they got some dubious moral ideas in other areas....
One thing you learn as you get older is everyone is crazy and crooked but just in different ways so the trick to being happy in life is to find your kind of like minded cray cray and let the preachers on the street corners do their own thing.
Internet forums and social media are a prime example of how this is true.
Noooo not everyone is crazy and crooked but I suppose it helps justify a "I do what I want" attitude.
See that the thing no one is perfect but some people cant admit it. Just because you don't break a law doesn't mean you're morality faultless or perfect.
This isn't an opinion, morality is subjective and being good or bad depends from your point of view regardless of breaking any laws or not.
Nothing is fully black or white which is why you don't get life for a speeding ticket.
There’s a huge difference between “no one is perfect “ and “everyone is crazy and crooked!”
I’ll add that “yes” morality is complex and complicated but that’s not going to wash if I tell the cops that when they roll up besides me at 3 am while I’m loading up a truck of All Modern furniture.
”Sir, the back door was open and as you know, morality is subjective… “
I'd add onto this whole conversation and say that pirating is what it is. It's entitlement. Saying "I want to play the game but I don't want to pay for it because 'insert reason,' " is entitlement. If people came out and just admitted it instead of trying to justify their behavior, people wouldn't be as inclined to argue against them.
People keep harping on how they want to send a message to ubisoft about their practices; while failing to understand that it's no longer just about 'voting with your wallets.' It's voting with your attention. A company that falls into obscurity will either listen or die. Pirating the game is still giving that company attention; which is going to keep it up in the search ratings and give it the executives the cushion they need to validate their own beliefs; which in turns to us as consumers getting shafted by more bad practices.
The number of downloads on bad games are low on pirate sites. So if they don't make a good game, pirating isn't going to suddenly made them good. Even pirates have standards so I doubt pirating their games is going to increase any attention to the title if the number of downloads are so low it is not worth the effort of actually downloading it.
That's a fake claim that has been spouted plenty over the decades but too each their own, companies pull crap like this cause they want to milk their playerbase point blank.
Whether you sail the high seas or not isn't my business nor is it yours and I am not going to debate it with you cause there no convincing people one way or the other as most peeps already have their minds set on this.
I'm too old to give a crapola about peoples superior sense of morality.
I think having access to or acquiring something that you shouldn’t have access to is just baseline behavior . Superior isn’t required.
Morality is subjective, whether you are for or against piracy in this context someone some where is going to find some moral fault or reasoning in your logic or argument, also by superior morality I meant about people preaching from a high horse as more often than not they got some dubious moral ideas in other areas....
One thing you learn as you get older is everyone is crazy and crooked but just in different ways so the trick to being happy in life is to find your kind of like minded cray cray and let the preachers on the street corners do their own thing.
Internet forums and social media are a prime example of how this is true.
Noooo not everyone is crazy and crooked but I suppose it helps justify a "I do what I want" attitude.
See that the thing no one is perfect but some people cant admit it. Just because you don't break a law doesn't mean you're morality faultless or perfect.
This isn't an opinion, morality is subjective and being good or bad depends from your point of view regardless of breaking any laws or not.
Nothing is fully black or white which is why you don't get life for a speeding ticket.
Good does not mean perfect, and imperfect does not mean crazy or crooked. In fact, suggesting that goes against your claim that morality and ethics is subjective and not black and white. Morality and ethics are complex precisely because there is no perfect, and not every harmful effect is due to crooked intent. However, going from that to assuming there is no such thing as intent or that unintended harm is simply subjective is simply not true. All human knowledge is "imperfect", yet that doesn't mean it's all meaningless. We can assess the outcome of behaviors like piracy and make reasonable claims about it, and we can disagree on those claims. That's not the same thing as dismissing an argument on the grounds that all arguments are subjective.
Company is on my do not buy from list they went full greed... one simply doesn't go full greed. Telling us get used to not owning our products we purchased get real Ubisoft... Do us a favor call Larian Studios and wake up.
Why get at mad at Ubisoft for being right?
You might not want to hear that you don't own your video games but it's the truth.
Physical media is disappearing.
For console games physical sales only amounted to 10% of total sales in 2023.
Walmart got rid of physical Xbox games.
Target just announced they will get rid of all physical entertainment products by 2025.
And as we have seen with digital games your access to them is at the mercy of the publisher.
This is the future that people wanted but now that it's finally here everyone is complaining.
Therein lies the stupid.
Just because physical copies are often being replaced by digital downloads doesn't mean you do not "own the game" it just means the medium you have it on is different.
If I download a game and the installer has all the files, like many digital downloads do and I keep that copy preciously in my NAS or backed up somewhere I should then have the right to keep playing and installing that game, you know just like as if I had physical copy. My right to play the game I bought shouldn't be able to be revoked period.
Some people seem to think our right of ownership should be null and void due to it being a digital medium rather than a physical one which is a load of malarkey.
I’ll add that “yes” morality is complex and complicated but that’s not going to wash if I tell the cops that when they roll up besides me at 3 am while I’m loading up a truck of All Modern furniture.
”Sir, the back door was open and as you know, morality is subjective… “
Meh stop being daft you know very well what I meant, with the crazy etc, and it was not to be taken literally.
Stop being disingenuous with the stupid way out there comparison that are not relevant to this particular situation.
Might be gaming would be in a better place if some of you got your knickers in a twist over companies doing shady shit like we are talking about here as you do over someone's "morality" for having dared to pirate a game!
Heh people are not all good or bad or black and white as you are trying to make it so here in your argument, so get over yourself and off the high horse.
Some of need to stop acting like teenagers thinking your particular bit of wisdom and judgement posting is something new or that you are teaching anyone new or upholding some kind of principal cause at the end of the day if someone pirates a game or not doesn't make then a bad person or immoral or any of what some of you are trying to peddle.
Everything that has been said here is old news so really IDC what you all think.
Anyhoot enough time lost posting here have a great day peeps!
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Might be gaming would be in a better place if some of you got your knickers in a twist over companies doing shady shit like we are talking about here as you do over someone's "morality" for having dared to pirate a game!
[--snip--]
That's the whole point though, isn't it? I refuse to buy games from some of these companies and haven't for some time precisely because I judge their way of doing business as harmful to this market of games I enjoy. I can judge piracy in much the same way. Why is it one or the other? Why is one of these a matter of "morality" and not the other? I'll go further and say the same thing that bothers me about corporate greed also keeps me from condoning piracy - maximizing one's benefit despite how it harms the market and economy that makes these games and experiences possible.
Might be gaming would be in a better place if some of you got your knickers in a twist over companies doing shady shit like we are talking about here as you do over someone's "morality" for having dared to pirate a game!
[--snip--]
That's the whole point though, isn't it? I refuse to buy games from some of these companies and haven't for some time precisely because I judge their way of doing business as harmful to this market of games I enjoy. I can judge piracy in much the same way. Why is it one or the other? Why is one of these a matter of "morality" and not the other? I'll go further and say the same thing that bothers me about corporate greed also keeps me from condoning piracy - maximizing one's benefit despite how it harms the market and economy that makes these games and experiences possible.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Might be gaming would be in a better place if some of you got your knickers in a twist over companies doing shady shit like we are talking about here as you do over someone's "morality" for having dared to pirate a game!
[--snip--]
That's the whole point though, isn't it? I refuse to buy games from some of these companies and haven't for some time precisely because I judge their way of doing business as harmful to this market of games I enjoy. I can judge piracy in much the same way. Why is it one or the other? Why is one of these a matter of "morality" and not the other? I'll go further and say the same thing that bothers me about corporate greed also keeps me from condoning piracy - maximizing one's benefit despite how it harms the market and economy that makes these games and experiences possible.
You know what this is?
(I heard MS paid for a few new levels to be added.)
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Company is on my do not buy from list they went full greed... one simply doesn't go full greed. Telling us get used to not owning our products we purchased get real Ubisoft... Do us a favor call Larian Studios and wake up.
Why get at mad at Ubisoft for being right?
You might not want to hear that you don't own your video games but it's the truth.
Physical media is disappearing.
For console games physical sales only amounted to 10% of total sales in 2023.
Walmart got rid of physical Xbox games.
Target just announced they will get rid of all physical entertainment products by 2025.
And as we have seen with digital games your access to them is at the mercy of the publisher.
This is the future that people wanted but now that it's finally here everyone is complaining.
Therein lies the stupid.
Just because physical copies are often being replaced by digital downloads doesn't mean you do not "own the game" it just means the medium you have it on is different.
If I download a game and the installer has all the files, like many digital downloads do and I keep that copy preciously in my NAS or backed up somewhere I should then have the right to keep playing and installing that game, you know just like as if I had physical copy. My right to play the game I bought shouldn't be able to be revoked period.
Some people seem to think our right of ownership should be null and void due to it being a digital medium rather than a physical one which is a load of malarkey.
I’ll add that “yes” morality is complex and complicated but that’s not going to wash if I tell the cops that when they roll up besides me at 3 am while I’m loading up a truck of All Modern furniture.
”Sir, the back door was open and as you know, morality is subjective… “
Meh stop being daft you know very well what I meant, with the crazy etc, and it was not to be taken literally.
Stop being disingenuous with the stupid way out there comparison that are not relevant to this particular situation.
Might be gaming would be in a better place if some of you got your knickers in a twist over companies doing shady shit like we are talking about here as you do over someone's "morality" for having dared to pirate a game!
Heh people are not all good or bad or black and white as you are trying to make it so here in your argument, so get over yourself and off the high horse.
Some of need to stop acting like teenagers thinking your particular bit of wisdom and judgement posting is something new or that you are teaching anyone new or upholding some kind of principal cause at the end of the day if someone pirates a game or not doesn't make then a bad person or immoral or any of what some of you are trying to peddle.
Everything that has been said here is old news so really IDC what you all think.
Anyhoot enough time lost posting here have a great day peeps!
I’m no I don’t know you didn’t mean it literally. Why would I? Was it your tone of voice or our numerous in person conversations and that lends me a special insight into your meaning?
especially since I know people with that attitude.
And right back at you as you should have taken the point but realize it was couched as a joke.
But then again you would know that from the tone of my voice and our numerous in person conversations.
Gaming, heck, the world would be better if people didn’t think they were so entitled.
And while I semi agree with your stance about buying a game and still being able to play it I was more commenting on just downloading this game without buying it because, well, “because.”
I would add that I personally am a believer in agreeing or “not agreeing “ to whatever deal is proposed. So if they say I’m not buying a game I’m only buying access I’m free to say “screw” this as opposed to saying “screw this I’ll just get it for free because I don’t like how you do business.”
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I’m no I don’t know you didn’t mean it literally. Why would I? Was it your tone of voice or our numerous in person conversations and that lends me a special insight into your meaning? ...snip...
It's a fairly well known expression.
Also:
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The number of downloads on bad games are low on pirate sites. So if they don't make a good game, pirating isn't going to suddenly made them good. Even pirates have standards so I doubt pirating their games is going to increase any attention to the title if the number of downloads are so low it is not worth the effort of actually downloading it.
This is my favorite post today "Even pirates have standards", you can see them all turning their noses up at the idea of uploading something unworthy.
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Pirating games has nothing to do with morality.
I was just walking around in Rome and I was getting annoyed at the number of owners who do not pick up their dog's shit or leave them off the leash. I compared it to Singapore where fines of up to 1000 Singapore Dollars makes everyone obey their rules. They come to Malaysia however and litter indiscriminately.
Fines, that has nothing to do with morality. It's simply breaking the law.
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”Sir, the back door was open and as you know, morality is subjective… “
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
People keep harping on how they want to send a message to ubisoft about their practices; while failing to understand that it's no longer just about 'voting with your wallets.' It's voting with your attention. A company that falls into obscurity will either listen or die. Pirating the game is still giving that company attention; which is going to keep it up in the search ratings and give it the executives the cushion they need to validate their own beliefs; which in turns to us as consumers getting shafted by more bad practices.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
That's the whole point though, isn't it? I refuse to buy games from some of these companies and haven't for some time precisely because I judge their way of doing business as harmful to this market of games I enjoy. I can judge piracy in much the same way. Why is it one or the other? Why is one of these a matter of "morality" and not the other? I'll go further and say the same thing that bothers me about corporate greed also keeps me from condoning piracy - maximizing one's benefit despite how it harms the market and economy that makes these games and experiences possible.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
(I heard MS paid for a few new levels to be added.)
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especially since I know people with that attitude.
And right back at you as you should have taken the point but realize it was couched as a joke.
But then again you would know that from the tone of my voice and our numerous in person conversations.
And while I semi agree with your stance about buying a game and still being able to play it I was more commenting on just downloading this game without buying it because, well, “because.”
I would add that I personally am a believer in agreeing or “not agreeing “ to whatever deal is proposed. So if they say I’m not buying a game I’m only buying access I’m free to say “screw” this as opposed to saying “screw this I’ll just get it for free because I don’t like how you do business.”
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.