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Diablo 4 Season 4: Loot Reborn Overhauls the Game's Item Hunt, Drops May 14 | MMORPG.com

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imageDiablo 4 Season 4: Loot Reborn Overhauls the Game's Item Hunt, Drops May 14 | MMORPG.com

Season 4 is such a significant overhaul for Diablo 4 that Blizzard has pivoted away from its typical seasonal mechanic to go all in on the gameplay changes that are sure to shake up the game's itemization and gameplay across the board.

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  • TerazonTerazon Member RarePosts: 407
    Awesome
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    edited May 2
    The changes are nice, but how about that "Offline Mode"? I really am not interested in Always Online + Hardcore. Plus other limits that AO imposes.

    Make that happen and you have my money.
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,750
    Diablo 3 never got an offline mode so I wouldn't hold your breath. Last Epoch does, though!
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416
    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    Gorwe said:
    The changes are nice, but how about that "Offline Mode"? I really am not interested in Always Online + Hardcore. Plus other limits that AO imposes.

    Make that happen and you have my money.

    If they intended to have offline play in DIV it would have launched with it so there is a good chance it will be never and it certainly wasn't this time.

    Perhaps if enough people demand it they will eventually cave in like with Classic WoW, but if so it would likely be introduced in an expansion to sweeten that deal rather than a base game change made to accompany a new season.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.

    This season largely is about rebuilding key aspects of the main game to provide a better core for that yet to come. Their focus on that was such that there is no seasonal mechanic this time around.
  • TerazonTerazon Member RarePosts: 407
    I really dont get all the hate. I really enjoy the game
    ValdemarJ
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050
    I got really bored in season 3.  I'll definitely give it another go in Season 4. 
  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,199
    Terazon said:
    I really dont get all the hate. I really enjoy the game

    I played at launch and put it down, I'll check it again with Season 4. My biggest problem was that I couldn't progress without better gear and I couldn't get better gear without progressing. The post-story slog was painful and I just didn't want to keep sifting through stacks of overly complicated gear stats to try to see if maybe one obscure stat would work better than another.

    I think the gear optimization will help but they also need to look at skill trees and paragon boards to really fix the game.
    Sig so that badges don't eat my posts.


  • DarthBottoDarthBotto Newbie CommonPosts: 13
    This game is great for playing in intermittent spurts. It's a great side game for whenever there's new content.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    Terazon said:
    I really dont get all the hate. I really enjoy the game

    I found the loot pretty poor as the vast majority of drops were useless to me, even when of the highest rarities.

    Bursts of excitement were rare early on and virtually nonexistent long before I completed any of the seasons.

    The last in particular dragged on as I found the trap theme also tedious.

    With the changes announced the loot seems as though it will be much improved and I believe the overall appreciation for DIV will also as a result.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416
    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.

    This season largely is about rebuilding key aspects of the main game to provide a better core for that yet to come. Their focus on that was such that there is no seasonal mechanic this time around.
    And?  Nothing you said changes my mind about this being a trash game that needs to be rebuilt.  This season is about devs desperately trying to justify the games core mechanics by again making slight changes to loot and mechanics.  Let me tell you what is wrong with the game.

    The quests are boring MMO type.

    The loot uses a meta form of thinking where having one best set with meta stats will yield meta results.

    The game requires no brains and is arcade.  Might as well play astroids.

    Homage to the original games in the series is non-existent.

    The skill trees, loot, sets and paragon are the laziest trash ever conceived.

    The games engine runs like trash, to the point where having a populated world is impossible.  And come on 4 player groups?  

    There is nothing in this game done better than d2 or d3.  Not one innovation.  The game is actually a regression.
  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,378
    Overall, I really like the game and that's all that matters to me. The opinions of people who hate the game and don't want me to play it aren't even remotely relevant.

    My biggest 3 complaints:
    1. Time limited fomo battle pass and how it's structured. It's a huge boring grindy slog that isn't worth the money or time.

    2. Boring loot progression

    3. T3+ progression slog. Expensive respecs only aggravate that situation.

    It's better than launch and season 3 was a big improvement. I'm looking forward to season 4 and seeing what changes they have made.
    Bring back the Naked Chicken Chalupa!
  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    I quit D4 before getting to lvl 30. I hated the level scaling, the lack of transformative spec variety, and no class that appealed to me (Paladin or heavy armored battlemage). Last Epoch, OTOH, I put 300 hours into it. I loved the build variety in that game. I also played offline mode, which is friendlier as a parent. Being able to pause a game because your kids or wife needs something is invaluable.

    Side issues I had with D4 is Blizzard's greedy practices. Full priced game, FOMO at release, battle pass, cash shop. Game wasn't finished at release combined with everything I just said put me off in regard to Blizzard games. The trust is lost at this point, between what they did to WoW and now the Diablo franchise.

    If people like D4, more power to them. But I think there are a lot better ARPG's out there, for half the price, and you don't feel like you're supporting Capitalism at it's worse.
    uriel_mafessAsm0deusScot
  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 244
    edited May 3
    There is way less people playing D4 than Last Epoch (lets not talk about Poe) and its for a reason. Game is bad at its core.

    The only great thing about the game is the skill response. Skills cast and work superb with input but sadly there is only 1-2 viable skills per class.

    The rest is quite bad. Story, missions, skills trees, paragon system, loot, progression, builds, ambience, fun... all mid at best. All D2 developers had left before D3 launch. That was notorious in D3 its even worse in D4. Their team cant make an ARPG work. The skills, knowledge, drive, passion, interest are just not there.

    No sustance game.

    They need a rework at such scale that it would actually be D5. And they need to outsource it out of Blizzard and out of California.

    Asm0deus
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522






    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.



    This season largely is about rebuilding key aspects of the main game to provide a better core for that yet to come. Their focus on that was such that there is no seasonal mechanic this time around.


    And?  Nothing you said changes my mind about this being a trash game that needs to be rebuilt.  This season is about devs desperately trying to justify the games core mechanics by again making slight changes to loot and mechanics.  Let me tell you what is wrong with the game.

    The quests are boring MMO type.

    The loot uses a meta form of thinking where having one best set with meta stats will yield meta results.

    The game requires no brains and is arcade.  Might as well play astroids.

    Homage to the original games in the series is non-existent.

    The skill trees, loot, sets and paragon are the laziest trash ever conceived.

    The games engine runs like trash, to the point where having a populated world is impossible.  And come on 4 player groups?  

    There is nothing in this game done better than d2 or d3.  Not one innovation.  The game is actually a regression.



    The changes to loot aren't slight so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about as to the changes they've made. I suggest you actually read up on it.
    emperorhades1
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522

    ValdemarJ said:

    Overall, I really like the game and that's all that matters to me. The opinions of people who hate the game and don't want me to play it aren't even remotely relevant.

    My biggest 3 complaints:
    1. Time limited fomo battle pass and how it's structured. It's a huge boring grindy slog that isn't worth the money or time.

    2. Boring loot progression

    3. T3+ progression slog. Expensive respecs only aggravate that situation.

    It's better than launch and season 3 was a big improvement. I'm looking forward to season 4 and seeing what changes they have made.



    Loot had a lot of changes to it, so you may want to read up on that or watch some videos. It sounds like it will be a lot better.

    The battle pass is kind of like a D3 season this time around, with each class getting a gear set that enhances a particular build. There is no special mechanic this time around, I'm guessing as so much was done for base game systems.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522


    There is way less people playing D4 than Last Epoch (lets not talk about Poe) and its for a reason. Game is bad at its core.



    The only great thing about the game is the skill response. Skills cast and work superb with input but sadly there is only 1-2 viable skills per class.



    The rest is quite bad. Story, missions, skills trees, paragon system, loot, progression, builds, ambience, fun... all mid at best. All D2 developers had left before D3 launch. That was notorious in D3 its even worse in D4. Their team cant make an ARPG work. The skills, knowledge, drive, passion, interest are just not there.



    No sustance game.



    They need a rework at such scale that it would actually be D5. And they need to outsource it out of Blizzard and out of California.





    Where are you getting your numbers for DIV from? You can track it on Steam but many don't play it on that platform so total players won't be accounted for there.
    ValdemarJ
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    Gorwe said:
    The changes are nice, but how about that "Offline Mode"? I really am not interested in Always Online + Hardcore. Plus other limits that AO imposes.

    Make that happen and you have my money.

    If they intended to have offline play in DIV it would have launched with it so there is a good chance it will be never and it certainly wasn't this time.

    Perhaps if enough people demand it they will eventually cave in like with Classic WoW, but if so it would likely be introduced in an expansion to sweeten that deal rather than a base game change made to accompany a new season.
    Well, it's their right to do whatever they want with their product, as is ours to "reward" them in turn. I am ALWAYS against forced anything. Things should be chosen according to needs and desires. They shouldn't be forced upon.

    I would be fine with it coming alongside an expansion of sorts.

    Oh about Loot 4.0, I am for it IF the accompanying gameplay gets improved and made fun too. But that's a hard task. Compare skill choices in Last Epoch and in D4. Pointless. Then there's the issue of open world which is largely pointless too(I keep saying that Open Worlds were, are and are going to remain gimmicks, but nvm).

    It is a step in the right direction though.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416






    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.



    This season largely is about rebuilding key aspects of the main game to provide a better core for that yet to come. Their focus on that was such that there is no seasonal mechanic this time around.


    And?  Nothing you said changes my mind about this being a trash game that needs to be rebuilt.  This season is about devs desperately trying to justify the games core mechanics by again making slight changes to loot and mechanics.  Let me tell you what is wrong with the game.

    The quests are boring MMO type.

    The loot uses a meta form of thinking where having one best set with meta stats will yield meta results.

    The game requires no brains and is arcade.  Might as well play astroids.

    Homage to the original games in the series is non-existent.

    The skill trees, loot, sets and paragon are the laziest trash ever conceived.

    The games engine runs like trash, to the point where having a populated world is impossible.  And come on 4 player groups?  

    There is nothing in this game done better than d2 or d3.  Not one innovation.  The game is actually a regression.



    The changes to loot aren't slight so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about as to the changes they've made. I suggest you actually read up on it.
    I can see you are the audience I was referring to when I said Blizzard was thinking people are sheep.  I don't need to reread anything.  Again, nothing you said  is valid.  

    The item system did not change.  The items  have one less stat now.  The items still  have to all be looted to either break down or read tedious values, your meta set aspects are now handed to you, instead of earning  them.  BORING.  SAME.  AND TRASH SYSTEM.  Need I say more?
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522






    This trash game needs to be reborn from the ground up.



    This season largely is about rebuilding key aspects of the main game to provide a better core for that yet to come. Their focus on that was such that there is no seasonal mechanic this time around.


    And?  Nothing you said changes my mind about this being a trash game that needs to be rebuilt.  This season is about devs desperately trying to justify the games core mechanics by again making slight changes to loot and mechanics.  Let me tell you what is wrong with the game.

    The quests are boring MMO type.

    The loot uses a meta form of thinking where having one best set with meta stats will yield meta results.

    The game requires no brains and is arcade.  Might as well play astroids.

    Homage to the original games in the series is non-existent.

    The skill trees, loot, sets and paragon are the laziest trash ever conceived.

    The games engine runs like trash, to the point where having a populated world is impossible.  And come on 4 player groups?  

    There is nothing in this game done better than d2 or d3.  Not one innovation.  The game is actually a regression.



    The changes to loot aren't slight so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about as to the changes they've made. I suggest you actually read up on it.
    I can see you are the audience I was referring to when I said Blizzard was thinking people are sheep.  I don't need to reread anything.  Again, nothing you said  is valid.  

    The item system did not change.  The items  have one less stat now.  The items still  have to all be looted to either break down or read tedious values, your meta set aspects are now handed to you, instead of earning  them.  BORING.  SAME.  AND TRASH SYSTEM.  Need I say more?

    When you can be bothered to know the actual details get back to me.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    The changes are nice, but how about that "Offline Mode"? I really am not interested in Always Online + Hardcore. Plus other limits that AO imposes.

    Make that happen and you have my money.

    If they intended to have offline play in DIV it would have launched with it so there is a good chance it will be never and it certainly wasn't this time.

    Perhaps if enough people demand it they will eventually cave in like with Classic WoW, but if so it would likely be introduced in an expansion to sweeten that deal rather than a base game change made to accompany a new season.
    Well, it's their right to do whatever they want with their product, as is ours to "reward" them in turn. I am ALWAYS against forced anything. Things should be chosen according to needs and desires. They shouldn't be forced upon.

    I would be fine with it coming alongside an expansion of sorts.

    Oh about Loot 4.0, I am for it IF the accompanying gameplay gets improved and made fun too. But that's a hard task. Compare skill choices in Last Epoch and in D4. Pointless. Then there's the issue of open world which is largely pointless too(I keep saying that Open Worlds were, are and are going to remain gimmicks, but nvm).

    It is a step in the right direction though.

    If you need and desire what a game doesn't provide you are free to not buy it. Nothing about DIV or any other game is forced.

    Those that want Last Epoch should play it. DIV isn't meant to be that.

    Hopefully it's the right direction. Time will tell.
    ValdemarJ
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    edited May 7
    Gorwe said:
    Gorwe said:
    The changes are nice, but how about that "Offline Mode"? I really am not interested in Always Online + Hardcore. Plus other limits that AO imposes.

    Make that happen and you have my money.

    If they intended to have offline play in DIV it would have launched with it so there is a good chance it will be never and it certainly wasn't this time.

    Perhaps if enough people demand it they will eventually cave in like with Classic WoW, but if so it would likely be introduced in an expansion to sweeten that deal rather than a base game change made to accompany a new season.
    Well, it's their right to do whatever they want with their product, as is ours to "reward" them in turn. I am ALWAYS against forced anything. Things should be chosen according to needs and desires. They shouldn't be forced upon.

    I would be fine with it coming alongside an expansion of sorts.

    Oh about Loot 4.0, I am for it IF the accompanying gameplay gets improved and made fun too. But that's a hard task. Compare skill choices in Last Epoch and in D4. Pointless. Then there's the issue of open world which is largely pointless too(I keep saying that Open Worlds were, are and are going to remain gimmicks, but nvm).

    It is a step in the right direction though.

    If you need and desire what a game doesn't provide you are free to not buy it. Nothing about DIV or any other game is forced.

    Those that want Last Epoch should play it. DIV isn't meant to be that.

    Hopefully it's the right direction. Time will tell.
    Except that when a thing is ALWAYS online, it is forced, by its own very nature.

    And really? Defending D4's skill tree? Why? Compared to D3, PoE, LE, GD ... even D2 and Wolcen, it is garbage. Plain and simple.

    I could be D4 audience, but I know better now. Maybe if I find it for 15-20$ somewhere.
    Asm0deus
  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 244






    There is way less people playing D4 than Last Epoch (lets not talk about Poe) and its for a reason. Game is bad at its core.





    The only great thing about the game is the skill response. Skills cast and work superb with input but sadly there is only 1-2 viable skills per class.





    The rest is quite bad. Story, missions, skills trees, paragon system, loot, progression, builds, ambience, fun... all mid at best. All D2 developers had left before D3 launch. That was notorious in D3 its even worse in D4. Their team cant make an ARPG work. The skills, knowledge, drive, passion, interest are just not there.





    No sustance game.





    They need a rework at such scale that it would actually be D5. And they need to outsource it out of Blizzard and out of California.









    Where are you getting your numbers for DIV from? You can track it on Steam but many don't play it on that platform so total players won't be accounted for there.



    Steamcharts + live stream viewers in Youtube & Twitch.

    That said I got to admit that Last Epoch is now treding below D4. It peaked in march but now is even more dead than D4. Averaging 103 viewers in last 7 day vs. 1800 from D4 (9000 for POE)

    https://twitchtracker.com
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    Path of Exile is still going strong
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