Originally posted by Akunai nakedone, I wasn't trying to say you yourself had no knowledge of black culture. Just saying that the image most people have of black culture is not true. I don't know you, and you don't know me, so I wouldn't assume anything like that. Afterall, people are complex on an individual basis. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. I used the NBA situation as an example of how the media like to portray blacks, and the frequency at which things like that are shown. These things get a lot of press and people get that idea of what black culture is, since for them that is their only contact. This part is directed to you though. You say that you don't have to live the lifestyle to make your opinions about it, but then you say that the people you call "thugs", living poor and violent, are making excuses or "bullshit". How could you know that? A few black guys told you so? I would guess they haven't lived it either. Trust me, it isn't so simple to get out of that lifestyle and it isn't something you can just get away from. I'm getting a little off topic though. Just out of curiosity, how would you know if there were black leaders doing anything if you don't watch the news? If they were, how would you know? I know in my area we have a black mayor by the name of Adrian Fenty who is doing great things. I doubt anyone has ever heard of him, but maybe when people get tired of Obama you might. Just because we hear the most about some rapper getting shot or shooting someone, doesn't mean the guy selling rocks to feed his family cares about it. I will never figure out why people think blacks are so easily influenced by rap lyrics. I seriously doubt you will found a gangsta/drug dealer who attributes their life to an inspirational rap song. All I wanted to say is this though. Every culture has it's good and bad. You can choose to look at one or the other and use it to base your decisions on that culture as a whole, or you can look at the person in front of you for who they are.
Are you black?
Never mind, I know the answer to that.
Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle.
And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy.
Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes?
I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim.
The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
Racism is bullshit, we should get rid of classifying people based on race and religion, it's just total crap.
We should instead categorize people based on their usefulness to society. The ranking system would be from 5 to -5
5 = you're extremely useful 4 = you're very useful 3 = you're useful 2 = you're of some use 1 = you're barely useless 0 = you're the definition of useless -1 = you're closer to being useless than hindering people -2 = you're closer to hindering people than being just useless -3 = you're a hinderance -4 = you're really a hinderance -5 = you're extremely hindering
You'd think -1 to -5 would be in jail and then there would be a pecking order where people who are categorized as 5's would have privelages that 4's don't get which would push 4's to reach 5-level and likewise 3 would want to reach 4 to get more privelages and such.
In this way, race/religion doesn't come in to play, just utility to society . There would also be privelages to be more useful to society. We could even enslave those that are in the negatives to force them to be serfs for those that are useful to society .
We could also have it so there's no dating between 2 people that are 2 or more categories away, thus 5 cannot date a 3 and a 1 cannot date a -1.
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Originally posted by Akunai nakedone, I wasn't trying to say you yourself had no knowledge of black culture. Just saying that the image most people have of black culture is not true. I don't know you, and you don't know me, so I wouldn't assume anything like that. Afterall, people are complex on an individual basis. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. I used the NBA situation as an example of how the media like to portray blacks, and the frequency at which things like that are shown. These things get a lot of press and people get that idea of what black culture is, since for them that is their only contact. This part is directed to you though. You say that you don't have to live the lifestyle to make your opinions about it, but then you say that the people you call "thugs", living poor and violent, are making excuses or "bullshit". How could you know that? A few black guys told you so? I would guess they haven't lived it either. Trust me, it isn't so simple to get out of that lifestyle and it isn't something you can just get away from. I'm getting a little off topic though. Just out of curiosity, how would you know if there were black leaders doing anything if you don't watch the news? If they were, how would you know? I know in my area we have a black mayor by the name of Adrian Fenty who is doing great things. I doubt anyone has ever heard of him, but maybe when people get tired of Obama you might. Just because we hear the most about some rapper getting shot or shooting someone, doesn't mean the guy selling rocks to feed his family cares about it. I will never figure out why people think blacks are so easily influenced by rap lyrics. I seriously doubt you will found a gangsta/drug dealer who attributes their life to an inspirational rap song. All I wanted to say is this though. Every culture has it's good and bad. You can choose to look at one or the other and use it to base your decisions on that culture as a whole, or you can look at the person in front of you for who they are.
Are you black?
Never mind, I know the answer to that.
Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle.
And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy.
Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes?
I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim.
The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
Why would you want to know if I was black?
NM, I know the answer to that.
I am, actually more specifically I'm of mixed race. My mother Dutch, Portuguese, and German, while my father is black. So to most people I would just be black, though I have some features like thiner and less curly hair. I hope that helps.
As for me being argumentative, it's simply because I think you're wrong. I know I won't change your mind, or the minds of most people here, but what can I say? I'm bored, so I'll try.
I used to live in a neighborhood in Baltimore, MD where violence and drugs were commonplace, so I do take some personal offense when people spout talking points about what blacks are or need to do. I also take offense at the notion that all the community has to do is stop listening to rap, or reject the dealers. I won't go into it here, because it isn't called for, but life in those places isn't so simple to escape as you might think.
Leaving home at 16 and getting a job? What kind of job did you get that allowed you to pay rent, food, utillities, car note, etc? Who are you kidding? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I don't think you're telling the whole story. I'm just guessing now, but I'd think you had some help. Help that most wouldn't have perhaps? I don't know who told you that they're poor and thug life is all they know, maybe a movie? Some people live the life because they have to with no family, money, or education. Some live it because they like it, without a doubt. To generalize everyone who does it though, well you'd just be wrong. Putting everyone in a box like that is comfortable I know, but that doesn't make it a reality.
You can use your stats on me, but I don't pay much attention to stats when a black man can get 25 years for some weed while a little cocaine can get you the presidency. Various other discrepancies in the law can skew those stats you know.
I suppose it boils down to what you want to believe really. You can believe what you want, I have good reason not to believe you though. I know you don't know me well enough to believe me though, how ironic. Agree to disagree and all that.
Originally posted by Akunai Originally posted by nakedoneOriginally posted by Akunainakedone, I wasn't trying to say you yourself had no knowledge of black culture. Just saying that the image most people have of black culture is not true. I don't know you, and you don't know me, so I wouldn't assume anything like that. Afterall, people are complex on an individual basis. Sorry that I didn't make that clear.I used the NBA situation as an example of how the media like to portray blacks, and the frequency at which things like that are shown. These things get a lot of press and people get that idea of what black culture is, since for them that is their only contact.This part is directed to you though. You say that you don't have to live the lifestyle to make your opinions about it, but then you say that the people you call "thugs", living poor and violent, are making excuses or "bullshit". How could you know that? A few black guys told you so? I would guess they haven't lived it either. Trust me, it isn't so simple to get out of that lifestyle and it isn't something you can just get away from. I'm getting a little off topic though.Just out of curiosity, how would you know if there were black leaders doing anything if you don't watch the news? If they were, how would you know? I know in my area we have a black mayor by the name of Adrian Fenty who is doing great things. I doubt anyone has ever heard of him, but maybe when people get tired of Obama you might. Just because we hear the most about some rapper getting shot or shooting someone, doesn't mean the guy selling rocks to feed his family cares about it. I will never figure out why people think blacks are so easily influenced by rap lyrics. I seriously doubt you will found a gangsta/drug dealer who attributes their life to an inspirational rap song.All I wanted to say is this though. Every culture has it's good and bad. You can choose to look at one or the other and use it to base your decisions on that culture as a whole, or you can look at the person in front of you for who they are.
Are you black? Never mind, I know the answer to that. Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle. And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy. Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes? I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim. The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
Why would you want to know if I was black? NM, I know the answer to that. I am, actually more specifically I'm of mixed race. My mother Dutch, Portuguese, and German, while my father is black. So to most people I would just be black, though I have some features like thiner and less curly hair. I hope that helps. As for me being argumentative, it's simply because I think you're wrong. I know I won't change your mind, or the minds of most people here, but what can I say? I'm bored, so I'll try. I used to live in a neighborhood in Baltimore, MD where violence and drugs were commonplace, so I do take some personal offense when people spout talking points about what blacks are or need to do. I also take offense at the notion that all the community has to do is stop listening to rap, or reject the dealers. I won't go into it here, because it isn't called for, but life in those places isn't so simple to escape as you might think. Leaving home at 16 and getting a job? What kind of job did you get that allowed you to pay rent, food, utillities, car note, etc? Who are you kidding? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I don't think you're telling the whole story. I'm just guessing now, but I'd think you had some help. Help that most wouldn't have perhaps? I don't know who told you that they're poor and thug life is all they know, maybe a movie? Some people live the life because they have to with no family, money, or education. Some live it because they like it, without a doubt. To generalize everyone who does it though, well you'd just be wrong. Putting everyone in a box like that is comfortable I know, but that doesn't make it a reality. You can use your stats on me, but I don't pay much attention to stats when a black man can get 25 years for some weed while a little cocaine can get you the presidency. Various other discrepancies in the law can skew those stats you know. I suppose it boils down to what you want to believe really. You can believe what you want, I have good reason not to believe you though. I know you don't know me well enough to believe me though, how ironic. Agree to disagree and all that.
Well, I kinda bounced around living from place to place sneaking in friends houses at night to sleep and shower until I was 18. After that I joined the military. I didn't even have a car until I was 20 lol. But anyways, the point I was trying to make is that anyone can be practically pennyless and find a better way if they are motivated.
But whatever, I guess they can go on with thier lifestyle and the rest of us will judge accordingly. Just don't be so suprised a white girl won't date blacks.
Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right?
I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it.
So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
Originally posted by Akunai Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right? I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it. So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
Or to flip that around, why would a white person want to date someone who is convinced the world is out to get him, and spends every opportunity he gets trying to educate people about the hard life a black man lives. It's life. Live it and stop complaining.
Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right? I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it. So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
Or to flip that around, why would a white person want to date someone who is convinced the world is out to get him, and spends every opportunity he gets trying to educate people about the hard life a black man lives. It's life. Live it and stop complaining.
That's what I get for saying I was black right? Well that is another example of why I said earlier the father was right. People can't get over their prejudices. All of a sudden I'm an angry, victim complexed, black man. Kind of sad that. I did say, "people" who prejudge. I also said why would "anyone" want to date that. You came back at be with "white person" and "black man".
I wasn't complaining, just pointing out some things that some may not be aware of when they make their assumptions. If you noticed, earlier I also said the father was right for telling his daughter to beware of interacial relationships. So I wasn't complaining about anything, I live my life and deal with many things.
I hope everyone can see the sad fact that as soon as I mention I'm black I get this though. A complaining, black man all of a sudden. So dismiss what I say as the ranting of "the angry black man". What a joke.
Aw come on Akunai. Surely you get the point that Nakedone was trying to make?
Everybody knows that many, many times, decent black folks get lumped in with negative stereotypes unfairly, to your point. But to Nakedone's point, there IS something that we can do to help put an end to such negative stereotypes. STOP living up to them!
I understand that it is hard to get out of a rut, especially when you were born in a ruck, live in a ruck, raised by people who were stuck in a ruck and are surrounded by people are all in a ruck and don't even know it. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible rise up out of it. We've been strong enough to endure slavery, being called 2/3 a man, lynchings, having no rights, etc. etc. Certainly we are also strong enough to get out of thugging on each other and slinging rock just to "make it". When we joined together and united in the past, we overcame all kinds of crazy obstacles. I for one believe that if when we all unit again, we can and will overcome this mess too.
Violent rap music and idolizing thugs in itself doesn't cause the problem but is rather the symptom, I agree. BUT you HAVE to agree that it DOES add negatively to the image that everyone, including our own young ones, have of us. There is nothing cool at all about making money illegally for a living or having precious metals decorate your teeth, and though I realize that it is all just for entertainment purposes it is not funny when we do it all over the TV and magazines and in the movies where everybody can see and add to their wrong ideas.
Nakedone - what I want to point out to you though is a just a couple of things. Yes, there is a lot of crap happening in some black communites but there is also a lot of good stuff happening too, most of which you won't ever hear about simply because bad news gets more attention than good. And finally, please. Please don't think that every black guy or that even most black guys think the same way the 3 or so black guys that you are cool with think. We're all individuals.
Originally posted by Akunai Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right? I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it. So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
Or to flip that around, why would a white person want to date someone who is convinced the world is out to get him, and spends every opportunity he gets trying to educate people about the hard life a black man lives. It's life. Live it and stop complaining.
Good point. But the problem is that everybody seems to have something to complain about. Including complaints about people complaining.
Originally posted by Akunai Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right? I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it. So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
Or to flip that around, why would a white person want to date someone who is convinced the world is out to get him, and spends every opportunity he gets trying to educate people about the hard life a black man lives. It's life. Live it and stop complaining.
finally, a post by modjoe i can agree with, kudos, modjoe. im an average white guy, trust me i have it harder than a black guy. be content with who and what you are. ive often wished i was a black man, for some very obvious reasons.....oO get your mind out of the gutter, lol, im talking about basketball skills, geez! and government funded grants and scholarships JUST for the black man. there arent any grants JUST for average white guy. im not belittling what black people used to have to deal with, but a black man in todays world hardly has the same problems. damn, i know 2 black guys in me town right now, and both are treated like freagin gods. it must be soooo awful for them, lol. one of them is going to a four year college that hes not paying for, on a basketball scholarship. all the women love him, all the guys want to be around him and be him. such a hard life he has to live, lol. he really is a great guy though, seriously, i good friend of mine, im jealous as hell, does it show? lol...
Aw come on Akunai. Surely you get the point that Nakedone was trying to make? Everybody knows that many, many times, decent black folks get lumped in with negative stereotypes unfairly, to your point. But to Nakedone's point, there IS something that we can do to help put an end to such negative stereotypes. STOP living up to them! I understand that it is hard to get out of a rut, especially when you were born in a ruck, live in a ruck, raised by people who were stuck in a ruck and are surrounded by people are all in a ruck and don't even know it. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible rise up out of it. We've been strong enough to endure slavery, being called 2/3 a man, lynchings, having no rights, etc. etc. Certainly we are also strong enough to get out of thugging on each other and slinging rock just to "make it". When we joined together and united in the past, we overcame all kinds of crazy obstacles. I for one believe that if when we all unit again, we can and will overcome this mess too. Violent rap music and idolizing thugs in itself doesn't cause the problem but is rather the symptom, I agree. BUT you HAVE to agree that it DOES add negatively to the image that everyone, including our own young ones, have of us. There is nothing cool at all about making money illegally for a living or having precious metals decorate your teeth, and though I realize that it is all just for entertainment purposes it is not funny when we do it all over the TV and magazines and in the movies where everybody can see and add to their wrong ideas. Nakedone - what I want to point out to you though is a just a couple of things. Yes, there is a lot of crap happening in some black communites but there is also a lot of good stuff happening too, most of which you won't ever hear about simply because bad news gets more attention than good. And finally, please. Please don't think that every black guy or that even most black guys think the same way the 3 or so black guys that you are cool with think. We're all individuals.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this.
I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe.
Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
Originally posted by ladylore Aw come on Akunai. Surely you get the point that Nakedone was trying to make? Everybody knows that many, many times, decent black folks get lumped in with negative stereotypes unfairly, to your point. But to Nakedone's point, there IS something that we can do to help put an end to such negative stereotypes. STOP living up to them! I understand that it is hard to get out of a rut, especially when you were born in a ruck, live in a ruck, raised by people who were stuck in a ruck and are surrounded by people are all in a ruck and don't even know it. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible rise up out of it. We've been strong enough to endure slavery, being called 2/3 a man, lynchings, having no rights, etc. etc. Certainly we are also strong enough to get out of thugging on each other and slinging rock just to "make it". When we joined together and united in the past, we overcame all kinds of crazy obstacles. I for one believe that if when we all unit again, we can and will overcome this mess too. Violent rap music and idolizing thugs in itself doesn't cause the problem but is rather the symptom, I agree. BUT you HAVE to agree that it DOES add negatively to the image that everyone, including our own young ones, have of us. There is nothing cool at all about making money illegally for a living or having precious metals decorate your teeth, and though I realize that it is all just for entertainment purposes it is not funny when we do it all over the TV and magazines and in the movies where everybody can see and add to their wrong ideas. Nakedone - what I want to point out to you though is a just a couple of things. Yes, there is a lot of crap happening in some black communites but there is also a lot of good stuff happening too, most of which you won't ever hear about simply because bad news gets more attention than good. And finally, please. Please don't think that every black guy or that even most black guys think the same way the 3 or so black guys that you are cool with think. We're all individuals.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this.
I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe.
Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
Originally posted by Akunai Originally posted by ladylore Aw come on Akunai. Surely you get the point that Nakedone was trying to make? Everybody knows that many, many times, decent black folks get lumped in with negative stereotypes unfairly, to your point. But to Nakedone's point, there IS something that we can do to help put an end to such negative stereotypes. STOP living up to them! I understand that it is hard to get out of a rut, especially when you were born in a ruck, live in a ruck, raised by people who were stuck in a ruck and are surrounded by people are all in a ruck and don't even know it. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible rise up out of it. We've been strong enough to endure slavery, being called 2/3 a man, lynchings, having no rights, etc. etc. Certainly we are also strong enough to get out of thugging on each other and slinging rock just to "make it". When we joined together and united in the past, we overcame all kinds of crazy obstacles. I for one believe that if when we all unit again, we can and will overcome this mess too. Violent rap music and idolizing thugs in itself doesn't cause the problem but is rather the symptom, I agree. BUT you HAVE to agree that it DOES add negatively to the image that everyone, including our own young ones, have of us. There is nothing cool at all about making money illegally for a living or having precious metals decorate your teeth, and though I realize that it is all just for entertainment purposes it is not funny when we do it all over the TV and magazines and in the movies where everybody can see and add to their wrong ideas. Nakedone - what I want to point out to you though is a just a couple of things. Yes, there is a lot of crap happening in some black communites but there is also a lot of good stuff happening too, most of which you won't ever hear about simply because bad news gets more attention than good. And finally, please. Please don't think that every black guy or that even most black guys think the same way the 3 or so black guys that you are cool with think. We're all individuals.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this. I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe. Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
And I agree with you.
But (heh), in response to your second and partially third paragraph, these whites aren't killing other whites in record numbers. Yeah whites do some sick shit, rape 90 year old women, child molesting, cannibalisim, etc. But these crimes are still not frequent enough to constitute a "label" or stereotype on white people.
And besides, when was the last time anyone has ever hear anything glorifying trailer park trash, meth labs, and the KKK as a "cool" lifestyle on practically every t.v. ad, or show, or movie, or song, or music video?
I didn't read all ten pages of this thread, I read about 1/2, so I'll state my position:
I am Russian, and my great-grandparents say they have Russian (specifically Muscovite) ancestors as far back as anyone can remember.
In Russia, if a girl is seen with a Black (no, there aren't many living there, but some do and speak Russian too) she is yelled at by complete strangers, usually old grandmas with nothing better to do, saying "what, can't find a normal Russian guy!?" She is totally and utterly humiliated. Russians tend to view Blacks as primitive, it's just the truth, hence the public discrimintaion.
Russian skinheads routinely beat non-Russians in public places, even in cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg. Disgusting.
Marrying a non-European/Noth American guy will bring disgrace to the girl's family, im most cases. Bit less with a guy.
In my experience, we are brought up to marry within our own race, or at least our own colour, so I've been "programmed" that way.
OK...This discussion has gotten off-topic, so I'm not gonna rant too long. However, some things need to be said. NakedOne- You have a lot of ideas that are COMPLETELY off-base. You claim to have black friends that don't fit into the common "thug" stereotype, but yet in your posts you continue to put ALL blacks in that box. Personally, I know whites that have spent their entire lives in and out of jail, or that have been on welfare their whole lives. For me to assume that ALL or even MOST whites lived this way would be ignorant. You also made a point about crime...Crime is NOT, I repeat, NOT an issue when it comes to race. Every culture has crime, every culture has bad apples, and believe it or not every culture has violence amongst themselves. People fail to realize that 80-90% of crime is intraracial (not interracial) meaning that blacks commit crimes against blacks, whites against whites, so on and so fourth. The only reason you hear so much more about black on black crime is because of black LEADERS (of which you claim there are none) trying to put a stop to it. As far as the rap/MTV comment goes, it should be noted that most rappers talk about how they lived BEFORE they made it big. They don't glorify crime or drug-dealing as much as they glorify their money and status now (having made it in the music biz). Also, you can't blame the fact that its all over the television on the rappers themselves. MTV/Viacom is a white-owned, white-operated, and primarily white-watched network/corporation. What this means is that whites are buying into these images as much-if not more than blacks are...so if you assume that this music causes crime in the black community then you have to assume it has the same effect on whites. Another point to be made is that there are plenty of rappers rapping about positive things- (Common, Mos-Def, Jurassic 5, etc.) but, you won't ever see them getting heavy play on MTV, BET, VH1, or any other Viacom network. Someone also mentioned the brawl that happened recently in the NBA....That whole scenario, had me upset. Not as a black person, but just as an NBA fan. Anthony's involvement hurt me because all the good he has done will be forever erased because of one horrible decision. The part of it that made me upset as a black person though, is that the incident was covered on every news network out there. (ABC, NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, C-SPAN, etc.) A week later there was a worse brawl in a soccer game, people were hospitalized with injuries, and unless you were a watching a primarlily sports oriented network, you didn't hear anything about it.
Anyways, the bottom line is you can't decide anything about a race, or even a single person by what you see in the media. The media makes money from taking everyday non-newsworthy facts and pictures and turning them into scandal and controversy. People are people, and believe it or not there are millions of professonal blacks, violent whites, and unsuccessful asians. Stereotypes and generalizations are what ruins the world, and the sooner we can dispose of them-the better.
PS. Whining and complaining on this board only moves us backwards...drop your pre-concieved notions about someone and start a conversation with them. Lets move forward people.
Originally posted by merv808 OK...This discussion has gotten off-topic, so I'm not gonna rant too long. However, some things need to be said. NakedOne- You have a lot of ideas that are COMPLETELY off-base. You claim to have black friends that don't fit into the common "thug" stereotype, but yet in your posts you continue to put ALL blacks in that box. Personally, I know whites that have spent their entire lives in and out of jail, or that have been on welfare their whole lives. For me to assume that ALL or even MOST whites lived this way would be ignorant. You also made a point about crime...Crime is NOT, I repeat, NOT an issue when it comes to race. Every culture has crime, every culture has bad apples, and believe it or not every culture has violence amongst themselves. People fail to realize that 80-90% of crime is intraracial (not interracial) meaning that blacks commit crimes against blacks, whites against whites, so on and so fourth. The only reason you hear so much more about black on black crime is because of black LEADERS (of which you claim there are none) trying to put a stop to it. As far as the rap/MTV comment goes, it should be noted that most rappers talk about how they lived BEFORE they made it big. They don't glorify crime or drug-dealing as much as they glorify their money and status now (having made it in the music biz). Also, you can't blame the fact that its all over the television on the rappers themselves. MTV/Viacom is a white-owned, white-operated, and primarily white-watched network/corporation. What this means is that whites are buying into these images as much-if not more than blacks are...so if you assume that this music causes crime in the black community then you have to assume it has the same effect on whites. Another point to be made is that there are plenty of rappers rapping about positive things- (Common, Mos-Def, Jurassic 5, etc.) but, you won't ever see them getting heavy play on MTV, BET, VH1, or any other Viacom network. Someone also mentioned the brawl that happened recently in the NBA....That whole scenario, had me upset. Not as a black person, but just as an NBA fan. Anthony's involvement hurt me because all the good he has done will be forever erased because of one horrible decision. The part of it that made me upset as a black person though, is that the incident was covered on every news network out there. (ABC, NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, C-SPAN, etc.) A week later there was a worse brawl in a soccer game, people were hospitalized with injuries, and unless you were a watching a primarlily sports oriented network, you didn't hear anything about it. Anyways, the bottom line is you can't decide anything about a race, or even a single person by what you see in the media. The media makes money from taking everyday non-newsworthy facts and pictures and turning them into scandal and controversy. People are people, and believe it or not there are millions of professonal blacks, violent whites, and unsuccessful asians. Stereotypes and generalizations are what ruins the world, and the sooner we can dispose of them-the better.PS. Whining and complaining on this board only moves us backwards...drop your pre-concieved notions about someone and start a conversation with them. Lets move forward people.
All you did was point out everything I said that gives blacks a bad image. Which in turn, gives them a negative stereotype. I already pointed out what you just said. But thanks for your defensive agreement.
Originally posted by nakedone Originally posted by merv808 OK...This discussion has gotten off-topic, so I'm not gonna rant too long. However, some things need to be said. NakedOne- You have a lot of ideas that are COMPLETELY off-base. You claim to have black friends that don't fit into the common "thug" stereotype, but yet in your posts you continue to put ALL blacks in that box. Personally, I know whites that have spent their entire lives in and out of jail, or that have been on welfare their whole lives. For me to assume that ALL or even MOST whites lived this way would be ignorant. You also made a point about crime...Crime is NOT, I repeat, NOT an issue when it comes to race. Every culture has crime, every culture has bad apples, and believe it or not every culture has violence amongst themselves. People fail to realize that 80-90% of crime is intraracial (not interracial) meaning that blacks commit crimes against blacks, whites against whites, so on and so fourth. The only reason you hear so much more about black on black crime is because of black LEADERS (of which you claim there are none) trying to put a stop to it. As far as the rap/MTV comment goes, it should be noted that most rappers talk about how they lived BEFORE they made it big. They don't glorify crime or drug-dealing as much as they glorify their money and status now (having made it in the music biz). Also, you can't blame the fact that its all over the television on the rappers themselves. MTV/Viacom is a white-owned, white-operated, and primarily white-watched network/corporation. What this means is that whites are buying into these images as much-if not more than blacks are...so if you assume that this music causes crime in the black community then you have to assume it has the same effect on whites. Another point to be made is that there are plenty of rappers rapping about positive things- (Common, Mos-Def, Jurassic 5, etc.) but, you won't ever see them getting heavy play on MTV, BET, VH1, or any other Viacom network. Someone also mentioned the brawl that happened recently in the NBA....That whole scenario, had me upset. Not as a black person, but just as an NBA fan. Anthony's involvement hurt me because all the good he has done will be forever erased because of one horrible decision. The part of it that made me upset as a black person though, is that the incident was covered on every news network out there. (ABC, NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, C-SPAN, etc.) A week later there was a worse brawl in a soccer game, people were hospitalized with injuries, and unless you were a watching a primarlily sports oriented network, you didn't hear anything about it. Anyways, the bottom line is you can't decide anything about a race, or even a single person by what you see in the media. The media makes money from taking everyday non-newsworthy facts and pictures and turning them into scandal and controversy. People are people, and believe it or not there are millions of professonal blacks, violent whites, and unsuccessful asians. Stereotypes and generalizations are what ruins the world, and the sooner we can dispose of them-the better.PS. Whining and complaining on this board only moves us backwards...drop your pre-concieved notions about someone and start a conversation with them. Lets move forward people.
All you did was point out everything I said that gives blacks a bad image. Which in turn, gives them a negative stereotype. I already pointed out what you just said. But thanks for your defensive agreement.
Well maybe I didn't get my point across, or maybe you ignored it. My intent was not to agree, nor was it to be defensive. It was simply an explanation of why you and others believe the ignorant things that you believe. It was supposed to be a message to say hey "don't put people in boxes", but it seems you, most of all, will never learn...
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Are you black?
Never mind, I know the answer to that.
Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle.
And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy.
Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes?
I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim.
The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
We should instead categorize people based on their usefulness to society. The ranking system would be from 5 to -5
5 = you're extremely useful
4 = you're very useful
3 = you're useful
2 = you're of some use
1 = you're barely useless
0 = you're the definition of useless
-1 = you're closer to being useless than hindering people
-2 = you're closer to hindering people than being just useless
-3 = you're a hinderance
-4 = you're really a hinderance
-5 = you're extremely hindering
You'd think -1 to -5 would be in jail and then there would be a pecking order where people who are categorized as 5's would have privelages that 4's don't get which would push 4's to reach 5-level and likewise 3 would want to reach 4 to get more privelages and such.
In this way, race/religion doesn't come in to play, just utility to society
We could also have it so there's no dating between 2 people that are 2 or more categories away, thus 5 cannot date a 3 and a 1 cannot date a -1.
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Are you black?
Never mind, I know the answer to that.
Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle.
And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy.
Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes?
I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim.
The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
Why would you want to know if I was black?
NM, I know the answer to that.
I am, actually more specifically I'm of mixed race. My mother Dutch, Portuguese, and German, while my father is black. So to most people I would just be black, though I have some features like thiner and less curly hair. I hope that helps.
As for me being argumentative, it's simply because I think you're wrong. I know I won't change your mind, or the minds of most people here, but what can I say? I'm bored, so I'll try.
I used to live in a neighborhood in Baltimore, MD where violence and drugs were commonplace, so I do take some personal offense when people spout talking points about what blacks are or need to do. I also take offense at the notion that all the community has to do is stop listening to rap, or reject the dealers. I won't go into it here, because it isn't called for, but life in those places isn't so simple to escape as you might think.
Leaving home at 16 and getting a job? What kind of job did you get that allowed you to pay rent, food, utillities, car note, etc? Who are you kidding? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I don't think you're telling the whole story. I'm just guessing now, but I'd think you had some help. Help that most wouldn't have perhaps? I don't know who told you that they're poor and thug life is all they know, maybe a movie? Some people live the life because they have to with no family, money, or education. Some live it because they like it, without a doubt. To generalize everyone who does it though, well you'd just be wrong. Putting everyone in a box like that is comfortable I know, but that doesn't make it a reality.
You can use your stats on me, but I don't pay much attention to stats when a black man can get 25 years for some weed while a little cocaine can get you the presidency. Various other discrepancies in the law can skew those stats you know.
I suppose it boils down to what you want to believe really. You can believe what you want, I have good reason not to believe you though. I know you don't know me well enough to believe me though, how ironic. Agree to disagree and all that.
Are you black?
Never mind, I know the answer to that.
Why are you being arguementive? Tit for tat. I think I generalized my opinion pretty well without going into great detail. As for the guy dealing crack to feed his family, please. Rap music glorifies this, how can you not say it doesn't even have a small impact on thier lifestyle.
And because I don't have friends that are "thugs" and I don't live with what they go through everyday means I don't know anything about that lifestyle? Well, I'll put it this way, I don't need to be humped by a dude to make an opinion if I want to be gay or not. I can tell you those black friends of mine aren't little Bryon Gumble clones walking around, just because they are doing something better with thier lives then living in a community full of crime does mean that they don't know anything about it. That's just crazy.
Why do I need to watch the news to understand violence in black community? There's 5 different stories every night about shootings and such on the local news every single night. What am I missing exactly? I could easily look up crime statistics for every city in America. Do I need to get into who commits the most crimes?
I was only trying to compare 2 different black lifestyles, 1 being the people who want to succeed in life and do good for themselves and family. The other lifestyle is a criminal image wanna-be one that is over-shadowing the other lifestyle. This gives a negative look on blacks and contributes to racisim.
The excuse "I'm poor, this is all I know", is bullshit. It is possible to get your act together. Hell, I left home when I was 16, I'm not in the streets. I got myself a job, went to school, have a condo and a car. I didn't have to commit crimes to get it. Yeah it's hard, the hardest is getting a job, the rest falls into place after that. There are many opportunities for poor people, they just have to find them. So to them I say get off your ass and get a job.
Why would you want to know if I was black?
NM, I know the answer to that.
I am, actually more specifically I'm of mixed race. My mother Dutch, Portuguese, and German, while my father is black. So to most people I would just be black, though I have some features like thiner and less curly hair. I hope that helps.
As for me being argumentative, it's simply because I think you're wrong. I know I won't change your mind, or the minds of most people here, but what can I say? I'm bored, so I'll try.
I used to live in a neighborhood in Baltimore, MD where violence and drugs were commonplace, so I do take some personal offense when people spout talking points about what blacks are or need to do. I also take offense at the notion that all the community has to do is stop listening to rap, or reject the dealers. I won't go into it here, because it isn't called for, but life in those places isn't so simple to escape as you might think.
Leaving home at 16 and getting a job? What kind of job did you get that allowed you to pay rent, food, utillities, car note, etc? Who are you kidding? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, just that I don't think you're telling the whole story. I'm just guessing now, but I'd think you had some help. Help that most wouldn't have perhaps? I don't know who told you that they're poor and thug life is all they know, maybe a movie? Some people live the life because they have to with no family, money, or education. Some live it because they like it, without a doubt. To generalize everyone who does it though, well you'd just be wrong. Putting everyone in a box like that is comfortable I know, but that doesn't make it a reality.
You can use your stats on me, but I don't pay much attention to stats when a black man can get 25 years for some weed while a little cocaine can get you the presidency. Various other discrepancies in the law can skew those stats you know.
I suppose it boils down to what you want to believe really. You can believe what you want, I have good reason not to believe you though. I know you don't know me well enough to believe me though, how ironic. Agree to disagree and all that.
Well, I kinda bounced around living from place to place sneaking in friends houses at night to sleep and shower until I was 18. After that I joined the military. I didn't even have a car until I was 20 lol. But anyways, the point I was trying to make is that anyone can be practically pennyless and find a better way if they are motivated.
But whatever, I guess they can go on with thier lifestyle and the rest of us will judge accordingly. Just don't be so suprised a white girl won't date blacks.
Interesting, joining the militray? I know so few minorities use that outlet right?
I was looking at a story the other day about a black man who had been shot through the spine and was paralyzed in Iraq. He was talking about how many thought he had been injured in gang related violence and wouldn't even give him a job because of it.
So no, I'm not surprised if whites don't date blacks. Feel free to judge accordingly though, blacks have had to deal with it for a long time. People who choose to prejudge, stereotype, and make their assumptions....well why would anyone want to date someone like that anyway?
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That's what I get for saying I was black right? Well that is another example of why I said earlier the father was right. People can't get over their prejudices. All of a sudden I'm an angry, victim complexed, black man. Kind of sad that. I did say, "people" who prejudge. I also said why would "anyone" want to date that. You came back at be with "white person" and "black man".
I wasn't complaining, just pointing out some things that some may not be aware of when they make their assumptions. If you noticed, earlier I also said the father was right for telling his daughter to beware of interacial relationships. So I wasn't complaining about anything, I live my life and deal with many things.
I hope everyone can see the sad fact that as soon as I mention I'm black I get this though. A complaining, black man all of a sudden. So dismiss what I say as the ranting of "the angry black man". What a joke.
Aw come on Akunai. Surely you get the point that Nakedone was trying to make?
Everybody knows that many, many times, decent black folks get lumped in with negative stereotypes unfairly, to your point. But to Nakedone's point, there IS something that we can do to help put an end to such negative stereotypes. STOP living up to them!
I understand that it is hard to get out of a rut, especially when you were born in a ruck, live in a ruck, raised by people who were stuck in a ruck and are surrounded by people are all in a ruck and don't even know it. But that doesn't mean that it isn't possible rise up out of it. We've been strong enough to endure slavery, being called 2/3 a man, lynchings, having no rights, etc. etc. Certainly we are also strong enough to get out of thugging on each other and slinging rock just to "make it". When we joined together and united in the past, we overcame all kinds of crazy obstacles. I for one believe that if when we all unit again, we can and will overcome this mess too.
Violent rap music and idolizing thugs in itself doesn't cause the problem but is rather the symptom, I agree. BUT you HAVE to agree that it DOES add negatively to the image that everyone, including our own young ones, have of us. There is nothing cool at all about making money illegally for a living or having precious metals decorate your teeth, and though I realize that it is all just for entertainment purposes it is not funny when we do it all over the TV and magazines and in the movies where everybody can see and add to their wrong ideas.
Nakedone - what I want to point out to you though is a just a couple of things. Yes, there is a lot of crap happening in some black communites but there is also a lot of good stuff happening too, most of which you won't ever hear about simply because bad news gets more attention than good. And finally, please. Please don't think that every black guy or that even most black guys think the same way the 3 or so black guys that you are cool with think. We're all individuals.
Good point. But the problem is that everybody seems to have something to complain about. Including complaints about people complaining.
finally, a post by modjoe i can agree with, kudos, modjoe. im an average white guy, trust me i have it harder than a black guy. be content with who and what you are. ive often wished i was a black man, for some very obvious reasons.....oO get your mind out of the gutter, lol, im talking about basketball skills, geez! and government funded grants and scholarships JUST for the black man. there arent any grants JUST for average white guy. im not belittling what black people used to have to deal with, but a black man in todays world hardly has the same problems. damn, i know 2 black guys in me town right now, and both are treated like freagin gods. it must be soooo awful for them, lol. one of them is going to a four year college that hes not paying for, on a basketball scholarship. all the women love him, all the guys want to be around him and be him. such a hard life he has to live, lol. he really is a great guy though, seriously, i good friend of mine, im jealous as hell, does it show? lol...
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this.
I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe.
Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this.
I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe.
Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying that it is a part of life, and some people make it seem so simple. There is crime all over the world and in every culture and community. Oddly enough, the poorest people in this country cause the most crime. Imagine that? Not going to get into the socioeconomic aspects of this.
I'm also saying that rap music gets way too much credit in causing people to go bad. The only negativity I believe rap has on black people, is giving other people fodder to label black people. Though I wonder why the glorification of shows like the Sopranos, and rock groups advocating suicide, killing your parents etc. aren't seen with the same scorn. Actually I don't wonder why, I know why. Like I've been saying, people will believe what they want to believe.
Lastly, I know that some people will never change. This goes for whites, blacks, whatever. Remember that this "some" doesn't mean all though. We can label people all we want, it just shows the type of person we are. I'm sure some whites would take offense if I said something like, all white people are racist and don't want to change. Look at all those militant groups in the mid west, how the KKK is still around and teaching their children the same hate. There need to be white leaders to change this mentality of meth using, trailor park, robbing from your own family, culture. I would never say something like that, and I don't mean that in a snide or sarcastic way. I don't actually think that about white people, I'm not that type of person.
And I agree with you.
But (heh), in response to your second and partially third paragraph, these whites aren't killing other whites in record numbers. Yeah whites do some sick shit, rape 90 year old women, child molesting, cannibalisim, etc. But these crimes are still not frequent enough to constitute a "label" or stereotype on white people.
And besides, when was the last time anyone has ever hear anything glorifying trailer park trash, meth labs, and the KKK as a "cool" lifestyle on practically every t.v. ad, or show, or movie, or song, or music video?
I am Russian, and my great-grandparents say they have Russian (specifically Muscovite) ancestors as far back as anyone can remember.
In Russia, if a girl is seen with a Black (no, there aren't many living there, but some do and speak Russian too) she is yelled at by complete strangers, usually old grandmas with nothing better to do, saying "what, can't find a normal Russian guy!?" She is totally and utterly humiliated. Russians tend to view Blacks as primitive, it's just the truth, hence the public discrimintaion.
Russian skinheads routinely beat non-Russians in public places, even in cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg. Disgusting.
Marrying a non-European/Noth American guy will bring disgrace to the girl's family, im most cases. Bit less with a guy.
In my experience, we are brought up to marry within our own race, or at least our own colour, so I've been "programmed" that way.
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NakedOne- You have a lot of ideas that are COMPLETELY off-base. You claim to have black friends that don't fit into the common "thug" stereotype, but yet in your posts you continue to put ALL blacks in that box. Personally, I know whites that have spent their entire lives in and out of jail, or that have been on welfare their whole lives. For me to assume that ALL or even MOST whites lived this way would be ignorant.
You also made a point about crime...Crime is NOT, I repeat, NOT an issue when it comes to race. Every culture has crime, every culture has bad apples, and believe it or not every culture has violence amongst themselves. People fail to realize that 80-90% of crime is intraracial (not interracial) meaning that blacks commit crimes against blacks, whites against whites, so on and so fourth. The only reason you hear so much more about black on black crime is because of black LEADERS (of which you claim there are none) trying to put a stop to it.
As far as the rap/MTV comment goes, it should be noted that most rappers talk about how they lived BEFORE they made it big. They don't glorify crime or drug-dealing as much as they glorify their money and status now (having made it in the music biz). Also, you can't blame the fact that its all over the television on the rappers themselves. MTV/Viacom is a white-owned, white-operated, and primarily white-watched network/corporation. What this means is that whites are buying into these images as much-if not more than blacks are...so if you assume that this music causes crime in the black community then you have to assume it has the same effect on whites. Another point to be made is that there are plenty of rappers rapping about positive things- (Common, Mos-Def, Jurassic 5, etc.) but, you won't ever see them getting heavy play on MTV, BET, VH1, or any other Viacom network.
Someone also mentioned the brawl that happened recently in the NBA....That whole scenario, had me upset. Not as a black person, but just as an NBA fan. Anthony's involvement hurt me because all the good he has done will be forever erased because of one horrible decision. The part of it that made me upset as a black person though, is that the incident was covered on every news network out there. (ABC, NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, C-SPAN, etc.) A week later there was a worse brawl in a soccer game, people were hospitalized with injuries, and unless you were a watching a primarlily sports oriented network, you didn't hear anything about it.
Anyways, the bottom line is you can't decide anything about a race, or even a single person by what you see in the media. The media makes money from taking everyday non-newsworthy facts and pictures and turning them into scandal and controversy. People are people, and believe it or not there are millions of professonal blacks, violent whites, and unsuccessful asians. Stereotypes and generalizations are what ruins the world, and the sooner we can dispose of them-the better.
PS. Whining and complaining on this board only moves us backwards...drop your pre-concieved notions about someone and start a conversation with them. Lets move forward people.
All you did was point out everything I said that gives blacks a bad image. Which in turn, gives them a negative stereotype. I already pointed out what you just said. But thanks for your defensive agreement.
All you did was point out everything I said that gives blacks a bad image. Which in turn, gives them a negative stereotype. I already pointed out what you just said. But thanks for your defensive agreement.
Well maybe I didn't get my point across, or maybe you ignored it. My intent was not to agree, nor was it to be defensive. It was simply an explanation of why you and others believe the ignorant things that you believe. It was supposed to be a message to say hey "don't put people in boxes", but it seems you, most of all, will never learn...
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It is even hard to find a black one here, in my small town. Maybe a Doener-shop.
So if there is:
Here, ME, in Germany
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