Downgrades were done because of the monitor. She wants as big as possible. 32` inches. And its pricey, do you think its a good idea to get bigger monitor with such specs?
You can get any screen size you're comfortable with.
Expect that you can run modern games on 1080p resolution. If you had a more powerful computer and could use 4K resolution, it would look a bit better especially on large monitors. But as long as you aren't looking for perfect, 1080p is good enough even for large monitors.
When you're looking for big monitors be aware that computer monitors have 2 common aspect ratios: normal is 16:9, and ultrawide is 21:9. Monitors with normal aspect ratio are taller for their size, whereas ultrawide is as its name implies wider, but at the cost of some height. If you aren't certain which aspect ratio to pick, then 16:9 is a bit better suported.
But the important thing about aspect ratios when looking for big monitors is that if you're just looking for something with as large screen area as possible, you need to multiply the ultra-wide monitor's size (in inches) with 0.89 before you compare it to normal monitors.
For example if someone is trying to sell you 32 inch ultrawide monitor, it has about same screen area as 32 * 0,89 = 28.48 inch normal monitor.
1660s adds 56+ pounds and 5500 xt 11+. I am just afraid that 580 is a bit too old for newer build?
580 is still good enough for even newer build. Normally mainstream GPUs like that are supported much longer than they're powerful enough to actually run new games so that you don't have to worry.
If one of those GPU alternatives has a lot better or a lot worse cooling than others, then I might make pick based on that cooling. But assuming roughly equal coolers, you've got 3 decent alternatives and you can pick any of them.
Now a days it is common to use a controller,i don't often but i do it,so having a Desktop will not limit "playing from bed".
The ONLY thing i do with my laptop is that i move it to the big screen room and play movies from it.Other than that my Laptop is also pretty good ,so it is my more powerful option to higher end games.
However none of that matters ,i could and will also be getting a new PC in the next 2 months and it will be a desktop and there is 100% absolutely no doubt of that. Another thing to consider is that Laptop screens are a joke..TOO SMALL,so if your going to do like i do and just play it through a larger screen,why even bother with a laptop in the first place.
Yeah i get the,i want to bring it to a friends house but i don't see gaming as that addictive.If i go to visit a friend it is not to game,we can do that from home,so yeah i don't NEED to move my rig around simply for gaming sake.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Sorry guys, i have changed a build into this from cyberpower. Downgraded: Downgraded card to rx 580, keyboard and mouse too. SSD NVME drive was switched to standard SSD 250gb + HDD. Downgraded processor to 3300x as Quiz initially suggested. PSU: InWin A55 550W 80+ Opt-out of the windows, can be done manually and cheaper with OEM license. Downgrades were done because of the monitor. She wants as big as possible. 32` inches. And its pricey, do you think its a good idea to get bigger monitor with such specs?
```ini Case = Cyberpower ONYXIA Mid-Tower White Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Front & Side Tempered Glass Extra_Fans = Maximum Airflow with 3 x 120mm LED Coloured Cooling Fans for your selected case (Blue Colour) Fans Only (no upgrade) CPU = AMD Ryzen 3 3300X - 4-Core 3.8GHz, 4.3GHz Turbo - 16MB L3 Cache (No On-board Graphics) Overclocking = No Overclocking Cooler = AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler Motherboard = ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS: ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2 M2 = None Selected M2nd = None Selected SSD = 240GB WD Green 2.5" SSD - 545MB/s Read / 465MB/s Write 1 Drive HDD = 1TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive 1 Drive RAID = None Selected RAM = 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3000mhz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX w/Heat Spreader GPU = AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB - DX12® - VR Ready, HDMI, DVI, DP, 5 Monitor Support Single Card PSU = InWin A55 550W 80+ Certified Gaming Power Supply PSU_Braided_Cables = None Selected Wifi = N300 Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[Total Price] PRICE = £630 ```756 with VAT
Now that I've had a look, a few things to consider:
First, do you get the Ryzen 3 3300X, or upgrade to a Ryzen 5 3600? It's a difference of £38 for two extra cores. Depending on how much you want to spend on a monitor, it's likely that you stay with the 3300X. But I'd at least think about it. Do not get the Ryzen 5 3400G, as that is a much slower CPU than the 3300X. The naming scheme is unfortunate.
Second, for a video card, I'd probably go with either the Radeon RX 580 or the GeForce GTX 1660 Super. Which of the two to get is really a question of how much you're willing to spend, as the latter is better and also more expensive. I wouldn't worry too much about the video card being "old". The RX 580 launched in 2017, and while the GTX 1660 Super launched in 2019, it's really just a new bin of cards that launched in 2018. The only really recent cards are the AMD Navi ones, and the RX 5500 XT isn't a great value, while the higher end ones are out of your budget.
Third, for storage, I'd just go with a single SSD. Hard drives are for backup or bulk data that doesn't need high performance. Hard drives are great for people who have terabytes of videos that they feel the need to keep stored locally. But you don't want to install games on them. At their prices, I'd get either the 480GB ADATA Ultimate SU630 or else the 1TB WD Blue SN550 M.2 NVMe.
Fourth, I'm skeptical of an InWin power supply. I couldn't find any decent reviews of any power supplies at all from that brand. The particular power supply is 230 V only, which isn't a problem in the UK, but it does mean that it can't run at all in the US--and thus no American site would care to review it. I'm not happy with their power supply options, but I'd sooner get the Corsair CV650. Corsair has sold some power supplies that weren't very good, but I don't think they've had any that were complete garbage.
Fifth, you're paying for a WiFi card. Is the plan for your friend to use WiFi? If it is, then go ahead. But if the computer is going to be placed next to the router, then just get an ethernet cable and be done with it. Ethernet is better than WiFi in every way you can think of and also most of the ones you can't, with only the exception that it requires you to run a physical cable, which makes it not an option in some situations.
Finally, if your friend needs a keyboard, mouse, and surge protector, then I'd just get the cheapest ones that Cyber Power PC offers, and get them included with the shipment. It's not hard to make a decent keyboard and mouse, and a £100 keyboard or mouse that does something fancy but might not even be better than a £10 version doesn't fit the budget, anyway. I'd look elsewhere for sound and a monitor, though.
If your friend wants as big of a monitor as possible, then a laptop is a really bad idea.
I would highly recommend getting an IPS monitor, not TN, as the image quality is much better. If that means giving up a few inches, then oh well. It's worth it for a monitor that doesn't make everything look terrible.
I would avoid an "ultrawide" monitor, as those are shorter and give you less screen area for a given diagonal length. It's a matter of personal preference, really, but in just about everything that I do on a 16:9 monitor, I run out of vertical space before horizontal, so adding more horizontal space doesn't really offer any benefit. As I see it, a 34" ultrawide monitor is effectively the same size as a 27" 16:9 monitor. Similarly, a 30" or 26" ultrawide monitor is effectively the same size as a 24" or 21" 16:9 monitor, respectively.
It does depend on what you're doing, though. People have said that in first person shooters, or other first-person perspective games, the extra width benefits you a lot and the extra height doesn't. I don't play first person shooters, so I wouldn't know that from experience. In web browsing, word processing, e-mail, or games played from a distant third person or overhead view, "ultrawide" just adds some wasted extra space on the sides that doesn't benefit you at all.
If you get a 27" monitor, then you might want to think about a 2560x1440 resolution, depending on how it is priced. For a 24" monitor, just get 1920x1080 and be done with it. You've got enough space left that you probably won't need to go smaller than 24".
Ok guys, pc was ordered like this!. Thanks for help, it was upgraded little bit, but it was decision of her. I tend to agree with the upgrades too. We looked into which cards they are offering, apparently they have only rx 580 Phantom gaming. Which i was not very happy with, i had one, faulty i guess. Returned it after few days, was loud and hot. But she went with it, asked about 1060 aftermarket cards, had non. 1060S just expensive.
But as computer will take weeks to deliver... There is still time to choose one. She might settle on 16:9 eventually. Will do some more looking around for those kind of monitors. I am not sure if she needs to go for 144 hz monitor. I think it would be over kill.
The build is over the budget little bit, but in my eyes is just worth it.
Case = Cyberpower ONYXIA Mid-Tower White Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Front & Side Tempered Glass Extra_Fans
= Maximum Airflow with 3 x 120mm LED Coloured Cooling Fans for your
selected case (Blue Colour) Fans Only (no upgrade) CPU =AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Overclocking = No Overclocking Cooler = AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler Motherboard = ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS: ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2 M2 = None Selected M2nd = None Selected
But as computer will take weeks to deliver... There is still time to choose one. She might settle on 16:9 eventually. Will do some more looking around for those kind of monitors. I am not sure if she needs to go for 144 hz monitor. I think it would be over kill.
That monitor looks like it's good quality, but if you want a large monitor you should be able to find something larger at that price. That has only screen area equal to 26 inch 16:9 monitor, so as far as monitors go it's not really large.
You don't need to go for for 144hz. 60 hz refresh rate is fine, and anything above that is optional extra that's nice to have but not really needed, especially not for a beginner gamer.
EDIT: If you're uncertain about the monitor size and aspect ratio that you want, get some cardboard from somewhere and cut it to size, then use it to check how big the monitor would look on the table.
Thanks for the help guys. So it passed some time from when she bought it. And i have a chance even use it myself. It is not the best thing, self build system would be much better So far there are few problems with it. Im not soooo much tech savy that i can diagnose it right away. But the graphic card is the most awful you can get! It is laud and hot under usage. It goes to the point that it cant run some games because it starts throttle. Or i think it is because of temperature. Playing kingdome come deliverence, your game starts to be laggy after a while. And laggy in choppy way. Then fallout 76 is just pure lag, delay.
So thats that... Not sure what else i can add here currently...
I'm just here to say I have a couple of Cyberpowerpc builds. One has been OK. The other I had to RMA 3 times. When they first shipped it it wouldn't even POST. Second time it worked for a few weeks then quit POSTING again. Third time the secondary hard drive failed and was causing blue screens. It actually failed again and should have been a 4th RMA but hard drives are so cheap I just replaced it myself with an SSD and haven't had issues out of it since. I won't buy another rig from them. They're obviously using seconds and surplus parts and their QA is minimal if any. If I do another pre-built it will be through a local brick and mortar store that has tech support. Paying for all the shipping gets expensive quick. Nevermind the headache of the downtime of the turn around time when shipping UPS ground.
Decide what you want to do FIRST, then select the hardware to run it.
For example, if by gaming your friend means "Bejeweled" she could save $1500 and play it on her phone. If your friend intends to play "Star Citizen" she'd do well to spend $2000 on a high-end box.
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Expect that you can run modern games on 1080p resolution. If you had a more powerful computer and could use 4K resolution, it would look a bit better especially on large monitors. But as long as you aren't looking for perfect, 1080p is good enough even for large monitors.
When you're looking for big monitors be aware that computer monitors have 2 common aspect ratios: normal is 16:9, and ultrawide is 21:9. Monitors with normal aspect ratio are taller for their size, whereas ultrawide is as its name implies wider, but at the cost of some height. If you aren't certain which aspect ratio to pick, then 16:9 is a bit better suported.
But the important thing about aspect ratios when looking for big monitors is that if you're just looking for something with as large screen area as possible, you need to multiply the ultra-wide monitor's size (in inches) with 0.89 before you compare it to normal monitors.
For example if someone is trying to sell you 32 inch ultrawide monitor, it has about same screen area as 32 * 0,89 = 28.48 inch normal monitor.
If one of those GPU alternatives has a lot better or a lot worse cooling than others, then I might make pick based on that cooling. But assuming roughly equal coolers, you've got 3 decent alternatives and you can pick any of them.
The ONLY thing i do with my laptop is that i move it to the big screen room and play movies from it.Other than that my Laptop is also pretty good ,so it is my more powerful option to higher end games.
However none of that matters ,i could and will also be getting a new PC in the next 2 months and it will be a desktop and there is 100% absolutely no doubt of that.
Another thing to consider is that Laptop screens are a joke..TOO SMALL,so if your going to do like i do and just play it through a larger screen,why even bother with a laptop in the first place.
Yeah i get the,i want to bring it to a friends house but i don't see gaming as that addictive.If i go to visit a friend it is not to game,we can do that from home,so yeah i don't NEED to move my rig around simply for gaming sake.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
First, do you get the Ryzen 3 3300X, or upgrade to a Ryzen 5 3600? It's a difference of £38 for two extra cores. Depending on how much you want to spend on a monitor, it's likely that you stay with the 3300X. But I'd at least think about it. Do not get the Ryzen 5 3400G, as that is a much slower CPU than the 3300X. The naming scheme is unfortunate.
Second, for a video card, I'd probably go with either the Radeon RX 580 or the GeForce GTX 1660 Super. Which of the two to get is really a question of how much you're willing to spend, as the latter is better and also more expensive. I wouldn't worry too much about the video card being "old". The RX 580 launched in 2017, and while the GTX 1660 Super launched in 2019, it's really just a new bin of cards that launched in 2018. The only really recent cards are the AMD Navi ones, and the RX 5500 XT isn't a great value, while the higher end ones are out of your budget.
Third, for storage, I'd just go with a single SSD. Hard drives are for backup or bulk data that doesn't need high performance. Hard drives are great for people who have terabytes of videos that they feel the need to keep stored locally. But you don't want to install games on them. At their prices, I'd get either the 480GB ADATA Ultimate SU630 or else the 1TB WD Blue SN550 M.2 NVMe.
Fourth, I'm skeptical of an InWin power supply. I couldn't find any decent reviews of any power supplies at all from that brand. The particular power supply is 230 V only, which isn't a problem in the UK, but it does mean that it can't run at all in the US--and thus no American site would care to review it. I'm not happy with their power supply options, but I'd sooner get the Corsair CV650. Corsair has sold some power supplies that weren't very good, but I don't think they've had any that were complete garbage.
Fifth, you're paying for a WiFi card. Is the plan for your friend to use WiFi? If it is, then go ahead. But if the computer is going to be placed next to the router, then just get an ethernet cable and be done with it. Ethernet is better than WiFi in every way you can think of and also most of the ones you can't, with only the exception that it requires you to run a physical cable, which makes it not an option in some situations.
Finally, if your friend needs a keyboard, mouse, and surge protector, then I'd just get the cheapest ones that Cyber Power PC offers, and get them included with the shipment. It's not hard to make a decent keyboard and mouse, and a £100 keyboard or mouse that does something fancy but might not even be better than a £10 version doesn't fit the budget, anyway. I'd look elsewhere for sound and a monitor, though.
I would highly recommend getting an IPS monitor, not TN, as the image quality is much better. If that means giving up a few inches, then oh well. It's worth it for a monitor that doesn't make everything look terrible.
I would avoid an "ultrawide" monitor, as those are shorter and give you less screen area for a given diagonal length. It's a matter of personal preference, really, but in just about everything that I do on a 16:9 monitor, I run out of vertical space before horizontal, so adding more horizontal space doesn't really offer any benefit. As I see it, a 34" ultrawide monitor is effectively the same size as a 27" 16:9 monitor. Similarly, a 30" or 26" ultrawide monitor is effectively the same size as a 24" or 21" 16:9 monitor, respectively.
It does depend on what you're doing, though. People have said that in first person shooters, or other first-person perspective games, the extra width benefits you a lot and the extra height doesn't. I don't play first person shooters, so I wouldn't know that from experience. In web browsing, word processing, e-mail, or games played from a distant third person or overhead view, "ultrawide" just adds some wasted extra space on the sides that doesn't benefit you at all.
If you get a 27" monitor, then you might want to think about a 2560x1440 resolution, depending on how it is priced. For a 24" monitor, just get 1920x1080 and be done with it. You've got enough space left that you probably won't need to go smaller than 24".
Thanks for help, it was upgraded little bit, but it was decision of her. I tend to agree with the upgrades too. We looked into which cards they are offering, apparently they have only rx 580 Phantom gaming. Which i was not very happy with, i had one, faulty i guess. Returned it after few days, was loud and hot. But she went with it, asked about 1060 aftermarket cards, had non. 1060S just expensive.
https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-accessories/monitors/lg-29wk600-w--p4791272
But as computer will take weeks to deliver... There is still time to choose one. She might settle on 16:9 eventually. Will do some more looking around for those kind of monitors. I am not sure if she needs to go for 144 hz monitor. I think it would be over kill.
The build is over the budget little bit, but in my eyes is just worth it.
Case = Cyberpower ONYXIA Mid-Tower White Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Front & Side Tempered Glass
Extra_Fans = Maximum Airflow with 3 x 120mm LED Coloured Cooling Fans for your selected case (Blue Colour) Fans Only (no upgrade)
CPU = AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Overclocking = No Overclocking
Cooler = AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler
Motherboard = ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS: ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2
M2 = None Selected
M2nd = None Selected
RAID = None Selected
RAM = 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3000mhz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX w/Heat Spreader
GPU = AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB - DX12® - VR Ready, HDMI, DVI, DP, 5 Monitor Support Single Card
PSU = Corsair 650W 80+ Certified Gaming Power Supply
PSU_Braided_Cables = None Selected
Wifi = N300 Wireless PCI Express Adapter
You don't need to go for for 144hz. 60 hz refresh rate is fine, and anything above that is optional extra that's nice to have but not really needed, especially not for a beginner gamer.
EDIT: If you're uncertain about the monitor size and aspect ratio that you want, get some cardboard from somewhere and cut it to size, then use it to check how big the monitor would look on the table.
So thats that... Not sure what else i can add here currently...
For example, if by gaming your friend means "Bejeweled" she could save $1500 and play it on her phone. If your friend intends to play "Star Citizen" she'd do well to spend $2000 on a high-end box.
Identify the need first, then find the hardware.
Also, your friend could just go buy an XBox.