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Ashes "But I hate being ganked"
Nanfoodle
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I have done a deep dove this week into the PvX in Ashes of Creation. Trying to get ready for Alpha 2. I had no idea how bad corruption system is till just now. People who join this game for non-consensual PvP will be hurting very quickly. If you are a PvEer and like what you see in this game. Here is whats baked in to protect you.
The corruption system comes into play, when a person does not want to PvP and someone decides to kill you anyways. Here is what happens to the corrupted player.
1. Debuff that makes them easier to kill. The more they do this the more stacks of this debuff happens till a level 1 player could pawn them
2. When you willing PvP and you die, you do drop something called glint and a % of your gathering goods. When a corrupted player gets killed, they also drop gear and a greater % of glint and harvested mats.
3. The above being said, when you are corrupted. You show up as a little red dot on the map that everyone can see. Everyone will be coming for your stuff.
4. When corrupted you can just log off to wait out the corruption. You need to earn exp or die at the hands of a players to remove corruption.
5. Corrupted players can not enter safe areas. They must stay in the wilds.
6. There is skill lines you can progress that make it easier to find, kill and hunt corrupted players. Every player in the game can do this.
7. There is a bounty system in the game that will reward you for taking out corrupted players.
8. Corrupted players have all skills related to CC greyed out. They cant CC, snare, root or stun players once they are corrupted.
EDIT from A2 patch notes Nov 7, 2024.
9. When you become corrupted you will have a slower movement speed.
10. New debuff what you attack someone flagged green (non combatant) called "Blight, after kill an non-combatant you will be blighted and gain stocks of corruption faster.
PvP consensual events like Node wars, castle sieges and caravans will have the corruption system turns off. The game hinders at every turn for non-consensual PvP but rewards people for working together. People supporting each other will make the greatest gains and quickly over power anyone to plays to be a PKer.
EDIT: Here is the flagging system to help you understand this better. You have 3 statuses
1. Flagged Purple you are open to any PvP encounter, high risk you lose less on PvP death. You drop glint and you lose some crafting supplies on your person.
2. Flagged Green you wish not to PvP, You drop 2 x Glint and crafting supplies because you are low risk so you lose more on death.
3. Flagged Red - you have been PKing and now your corrupted, killing a green makes your corrupted and you now drop gear when killed and 4 x more glint and crafting supplies on your person. You are also marked on the map for all to see with a red dot. You are debuffed for every player you kill this way and become easier and easier to kill. Only way to remove corruption is to stay logged on and gain exp by killing mobs or getting killed by a player.
You can switch from Green or Purple flagged at will out of combat.
The corruption system comes into play, when a person does not want to PvP and someone decides to kill you anyways. Here is what happens to the corrupted player.
1. Debuff that makes them easier to kill. The more they do this the more stacks of this debuff happens till a level 1 player could pawn them
2. When you willing PvP and you die, you do drop something called glint and a % of your gathering goods. When a corrupted player gets killed, they also drop gear and a greater % of glint and harvested mats.
3. The above being said, when you are corrupted. You show up as a little red dot on the map that everyone can see. Everyone will be coming for your stuff.
4. When corrupted you can just log off to wait out the corruption. You need to earn exp or die at the hands of a players to remove corruption.
5. Corrupted players can not enter safe areas. They must stay in the wilds.
6. There is skill lines you can progress that make it easier to find, kill and hunt corrupted players. Every player in the game can do this.
7. There is a bounty system in the game that will reward you for taking out corrupted players.
8. Corrupted players have all skills related to CC greyed out. They cant CC, snare, root or stun players once they are corrupted.
EDIT from A2 patch notes Nov 7, 2024.
9. When you become corrupted you will have a slower movement speed.
10. New debuff what you attack someone flagged green (non combatant) called "Blight, after kill an non-combatant you will be blighted and gain stocks of corruption faster.
PvP consensual events like Node wars, castle sieges and caravans will have the corruption system turns off. The game hinders at every turn for non-consensual PvP but rewards people for working together. People supporting each other will make the greatest gains and quickly over power anyone to plays to be a PKer.
EDIT: Here is the flagging system to help you understand this better. You have 3 statuses
1. Flagged Purple you are open to any PvP encounter, high risk you lose less on PvP death. You drop glint and you lose some crafting supplies on your person.
2. Flagged Green you wish not to PvP, You drop 2 x Glint and crafting supplies because you are low risk so you lose more on death.
3. Flagged Red - you have been PKing and now your corrupted, killing a green makes your corrupted and you now drop gear when killed and 4 x more glint and crafting supplies on your person. You are also marked on the map for all to see with a red dot. You are debuffed for every player you kill this way and become easier and easier to kill. Only way to remove corruption is to stay logged on and gain exp by killing mobs or getting killed by a player.
You can switch from Green or Purple flagged at will out of combat.
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Account 1 kills newbs doing PVE.
Account 2 kills Account 1 - Nothing lost. Account 2 gets the bounty. Thanks for the gold. Rinse and repeat killing newbs and more bounties please.
Account 2 can be multibox, or just a friend.
As long as you allow corrupted players to remove it through death then this cycle will happen all day. Keep in mind the player can gank a newb at the time of their choosing.
Lots of games say that they'll have open PVP with penalties for ganking, but most of them end up being unplayable to pure PVE players. The only MMORPG that I'm aware of off hand that didn't end up that way is Uncharted Waters Online. In addition to the various penalties for piracy, it made it really hard for would-be pirates to catch and kill other players. Among other things:
1) The oceans are huge, so it's hard to find someone other than by camping at a port or following the routes botters use.
2) A player who sees you coming can log off before you get there. You can't stop on a dime, so you'll whiz past his position, then he can log back on a few minutes later and continue after you're gone.
3) Even if you catch a player and initiate combat, both ships start the battle from a dead stop. You can't initiate a battle if you're too close, and once a battle starts, if either player leaves the combat circle, the battle ends and you can't attack him again for several minutes. Meanwhile, larger ships have slower acceleration. Bring in a huge ship and attack a small ship and he'll zip away from you before you can catch him. A pirate in a small ship is liable to lose in combat.
Those plus some other features meant that pirates mostly just went after botters. Botters aren't paying attention and don't try to escape.
I will wait and see how the systems are circumvented during release to decide if I will play. Players always surprise developers with their creative ways.
Seeing the list of what is baked in, tells me. Pure PKers wont be the standard play. If PKs push that. Think how many people will build of skill lines to deal with them. #6 on the list above. Giving non PKers the advantage always.
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*shrug*
Sure, give it another shot.
So why not go that route? Because ganking gives people a certain kind of pleasure, the domination of others who don't want to be dominated. It's not PvP they want, they don't get that domination pleasure from killing another player who also wants PvP.
So it's risk vs reward, where the reward only comes from dominating and ruining other player's game time. Of course if you have too much of that then other players simply won't play.
What if the ganker was set to the level of the player they attack? Minus 10%. That way, gankers would be weaker than anyone they attack.
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2024: 47 years on the Net.
The problem is 90% of the people who buy the game don't read the box.
I'm not sure developers are aware the extent to which players in a building/crafting/exploration game DO NOT WANT TO PVP. A small chance of it, even though the bad guys really get beat up for it, isn't enough in their minds - even if the PvE player loses NOTHING, they'll leave the game.
It's not PvP that most players object to, it's the ganking. These are not the same two things. I want to PvP and enjoy it a lot, so putting a label that says don't play this game if you don't want to PvP wouldn't apply to me.
No, it's the ganking, not the PvP. "Don't play this game if you don't want forced PvP" would be better.
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2024: 47 years on the Net.
I set out every game session with a goal in mind, and anything (wife, child, solar power salesman or ganker) that interferes with the accomplishment of my goal is an irritant or worse.
But like you said, I've learned to read the box first, hence one reason why Fractured never was in my play list.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
To own/enjoy benefits of a city you must be in a guild:
1: No tax in town for guild members.
2: Guild members can use portals between guild owned towns.
3: When guilds go to war, all members are part of the war.
You can choose to remain outside of a guild (PvE only), and while you have full access to the entire game, the auction houses in town charge a 20% tax and you don't get to use the guild fast travel portals. You can join a guild once per month.
The only purpose of the corruption system now is to bait and switch PvE players into joining the game, but they are going to find out very quickly that it was, in fact, a bait and switch.