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Diablo 4 Vessel of Hatred Unlock Times and Info Revealed, Pre-load Begins Today on PC | MMORPG.com

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Diablo 4's Vessel of Hatred expansion is coming next week, with PC pre-load beginning today. Blizzard has another new guide to prepare you for the next chapter, along with details you may have missed about the expansion content, preorder bonuses, and more. 

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  • ZenJellyZenJelly Member RarePosts: 385
    Wake me when they decide to let the Paladin or Crusader out of the vault.
    Angrakhanemperorhades1JeroKaneuriel_mafess
  • hsb320hsb320 Member UncommonPosts: 34
    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster
    emperorhades1uriel_mafess
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,750

    hsb320 said:

    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster



    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!
    Beerninjaemperorhades1uriel_mafess
  • Davidoff85Davidoff85 Member UncommonPosts: 37

    Angrakhan said:



    hsb320 said:


    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster






    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!



    Game wise...
    It is a disaster!
    ZenJelly

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,877




    Angrakhan said:





    hsb320 said:



    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster









    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!






    Game wise...

    It is a disaster!



    You mean based on your opinion, which you are entitled to!
    ZenJellyemperorhades1ValdemarJk61977
  • QMDad2QMDad2 Member UncommonPosts: 42

    Angrakhan said:



    hsb320 said:


    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster






    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!



    Game wise...
    It is a disaster!
    I can think of plenty of games that were disasters or are going to be disasters.

    Games that were actually a disaster "game wise" and financially D4 would not be one of them.
    onelesslightemperorhades1uriel_mafess
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    How big is it? Just the Vessel update.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    Angrakhan said:

    hsb320 said:

    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster



    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!
    This proves nothing. Except that people are very tribal and refuse to think for themselves. And as such, even garbage like Rings of Power can turn a profit(well, it can't because they have too big of a budget, but you get what I mean).

    With that said, D4 is just fine. Nothing special tbh, but fun enough.
    emperorhades1
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,877

    Gorwe said:


    Angrakhan said:



    hsb320 said:


    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster






    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!


    This proves nothing. Except that people are very tribal and refuse to think for themselves. And as such, even garbage like Rings of Power can turn a profit(well, it can't because they have too big of a budget, but you get what I mean).

    With that said, D4 is just fine. Nothing special tbh, but fun enough.



    I mean, it objectively proves that the game was a success. It doesn't really matter if some people view it as a failure because at the end of the day opinions don't matter if sales are good.
    ZenJellyemperorhades1ValdemarJGorweKimo
  • Elidien_gaElidien_ga Member UncommonPosts: 385
    Games are to make money, thats why they exist. Even the best, most wonderful gaming company has to make money. We can debate good or bad and best or worst games but at the end of the day company's define success by sales. I have never heard a company say "WOW we made the best game EVER. Too bad it did not sell and now we are closing and you are all let go because our game was so awesome". So clearly D4 is doing fine and Blizzard/Microsoft are happy with it.

    The biggest complaint with D4 i, just like with D3 at launch, they made some terrible design decisions. I think many people forget how BAD D3 was at launch. Its rescue and success is quite the story. I think this expansion will put D4 where it needed to be at launch and it will continue to grow. Its a solid game and just needs some changes which seem like they are coming.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050
    edited October 1
    I'm 99% sure I'm skipping the expac at first.  I have no desire to return to D4.  I'm feeling more of a desire to try the various WH40K: Inquisitor Martyr seasons I never experienced.  Atleast before their servers shut down(eventually)

    It's designed better than D3 in every way except fun.  I'm not sure what it is but I just get bored with the combat and content.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416
    edited October 1

    Angrakhan said:



    hsb320 said:


    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster






    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!



    Game wise...
    It is a disaster!
    Even revenue wise it is a disaster.  Not to mention the lost customers.  1 billion sounds like a lot of money to use, but to microlizzard it was well off.  666m was said to be made in presales, which they reported the year end prior to launch.  They spent a fortune on advertising at launch to gain only an additional 200m in sales after launch and through 6 seasons.  They got another 180m in mtx.  12 years of development.  2000 employees.  Let's say an average of 100k per each in salary and benefits, do the math. Sales doesn't equal profit.
    Post edited by emperorhades1 on
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Gorwe said:
    Angrakhan said:

    hsb320 said:

    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster



    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!
    This proves nothing. Except that people are very tribal and refuse to think for themselves. And as such, even garbage like Rings of Power can turn a profit(well, it can't because they have too big of a budget, but you get what I mean).

    With that said, D4 is just fine. Nothing special tbh, but fun enough.
    So as long as someone thinks like you do then they are thinking for themselves but if they love Diablo 4 or Rings of Power they’re sheep?

    Interesting take, I’ll give you that.
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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    Sovrath said:
    Gorwe said:
    Angrakhan said:

    hsb320 said:

    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster



    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!
    This proves nothing. Except that people are very tribal and refuse to think for themselves. And as such, even garbage like Rings of Power can turn a profit(well, it can't because they have too big of a budget, but you get what I mean).

    With that said, D4 is just fine. Nothing special tbh, but fun enough.
    So as long as someone thinks like you do then they are thinking for themselves but if they love Diablo 4 or Rings of Power they’re sheep?

    Interesting take, I’ll give you that.
    Liking RoP is a sign of (very) bad taste, but it's that person's right to do so. Diablo 4 isn't even in this category. I just outlined a possible outcome, that's all. That even absolute dumpsterfire can turn into a profitable venture with proper handling.

    I haven't meant to even hint at division into us and them. There's more than enough of that nowadays, it's gotten really old, really fast.
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,523
    edited October 2
    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.
    Gorwe
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    ZenJelly said:
    Wake me when they decide to let the Paladin or Crusader out of the vault.

    I had been hoping for that but a new class was introduced this time instead. Hopefully at least one of them will eventually return.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    edited October 2
    Gorwe said:
    How big is it? Just the Vessel update.
    It's as big as Diablo expansions tend to get.

    It continues the campaign, adds a new region and a new class, and introduces a new co-op end game activity set in the Dark Citadel which is a style of dungeon new to Diablo games. A good amount I think.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    Angrakhan said:

    hsb320 said:

    hahahaha Diablo what a disaster



    BAHAHAHAHA! Diablo 4 has only made over a Billion dollars so far and still going! What a complete disaster! I mean a BILLION dollars! BAHAHAHA what a flop!

    DIV sold a lot due to reputation alone, but it didn't start out all that great. Loot Reborn is what finally provided a solid foundation for the game to expand upon. Now things will only get better from here and it is a solid purchase for fans of ARPGs.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    Gorwe said:
    How big is it? Just the Vessel update.
    It's as big as Diablo expansions tend to get.

    It continues the campaign, adds a new region and a new class, and introduces a new co-op end game activity set in the Dark Citadel which is a style of dungeon new to Diablo games. A good amount I think.
    I meant in GB, literal size on the disk.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416

    k61977 said:

    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.



    Blizzard did not make a billion with Diablo 4
    They had 1 billion in revenue, big difference. 9000 + people worked on d4 and the development was over 10 years. Those people had to have software, computers a place to work. If you even begin to think that games are free to make, that is insane. Servers, advertising. Even Bobby Ks salary has to be figured in. I know all 9k weren't there the whole time, but do the math. It is great the game provided 9000 jobs, but to claim the game did well would be flat wrong.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    edited October 2

    k61977 said:

    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.



    Blizzard did not make a billion with Diablo 4
    They had 1 billion in revenue, big difference. 9000 + people worked on d4 and the development was over 10 years. Those people had to have software, computers a place to work. If you even begin to think that games are free to make, that is insane. Servers, advertising. Even Bobby Ks salary has to be figured in. I know all 9k weren't there the whole time, but do the math. It is great the game provided 9000 jobs, but to claim the game did well would be flat wrong.

    Where do you get 9000+ from? I can see upwards to 3000 or, maybe, 5000-6000, but 9000+ seems like a bridge too far.

    Yeah. 10 years of expenses(including wages) has to be taken into account. Basically what is their real net profit. Not these brutto misdirections. Ofc, we are never going to learn that. Just speaking.
  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 244
    edited October 2
    I had completely forgotten that this was a thing. I doubt this expansion will change the game core that it's the issue with D4. A class, new area (like 1/8th of actual map) and like 1/4 of the base quest for 40$.

    Not interested in throwing away money. I rather give it to the people that suffered Helene hurricane.

    For those interested but not willing to be scammed: 30$ by end of november. 25$ in Christmas.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member RarePosts: 416

    Gorwe said:





    k61977 said:


    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.






    Blizzard did not make a billion with Diablo 4

    They had 1 billion in revenue, big difference. 9000 + people worked on d4 and the development was over 10 years. Those people had to have software, computers a place to work. If you even begin to think that games are free to make, that is insane. Servers, advertising. Even Bobby Ks salary has to be figured in. I know all 9k weren't there the whole time, but do the math. It is great the game provided 9000 jobs, but to claim the game did well would be flat wrong.



    Where do you get 9000+ from? I can see upwards to 3000 or, maybe, 5000-6000, but 9000+ seems like a bridge too far.

    Yeah. 10 years of expenses(including wages) has to be taken into account. Basically what is their real net profit. Not these brutto misdirections. Ofc, we are never going to learn that. Just speaking.



    The 9k was a number directly from blizzard.
    Gorwe
  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 244

    Gorwe said:





    k61977 said:


    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.






    Blizzard did not make a billion with Diablo 4

    They had 1 billion in revenue, big difference. 9000 + people worked on d4 and the development was over 10 years. Those people had to have software, computers a place to work. If you even begin to think that games are free to make, that is insane. Servers, advertising. Even Bobby Ks salary has to be figured in. I know all 9k weren't there the whole time, but do the math. It is great the game provided 9000 jobs, but to claim the game did well would be flat wrong.



    Where do you get 9000+ from? I can see upwards to 3000 or, maybe, 5000-6000, but 9000+ seems like a bridge too far.

    Yeah. 10 years of expenses(including wages) has to be taken into account. Basically what is their real net profit. Not these brutto misdirections. Ofc, we are never going to learn that. Just speaking.



    No need for "official" numbers. Mass layoffs from Blizzard every 6 months tell you all you need to know.

    Stock isn't too savvy even in a boom cycle of lowering interest rates.

    From record profit to record profit until bankruptcy.
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,523




    k61977 said:


    Diablo 4 started out as a not so great game. The gear drops were not good. The mob spawn rate was way to low. Overall wasn't a good game in my opinion. As of today I will say they righted most of that. The game actually feels like a Diablo game for the most part. Blizzard did what they did with Diablo 3 which was a dumbster fire when they launched it and started patching in what most people wanted. Overall the game has gotten better with each major patch in my opinion. Some will not like it no matter what they fix and that is fine. Some will not like it just because they don't like the studio anymore, that is fine also. Then some will actually enjoy playing it now or did before and will continue to do so and that is fine also. Not everyone has to agree on what is good and what isn't. At this point though I don't think anyone can actually say that Blizzard didn't make a huge profit with Diablo 4 as of today. It's hard to call making billion in profit a failure in the gaming industry, especially when you consider most of that is actual sells of the game an not the micro transactions which only account for 150 million of that. So I will just leave it at that.






    Blizzard did not make a billion with Diablo 4

    They had 1 billion in revenue, big difference. 9000 + people worked on d4 and the development was over 10 years. Those people had to have software, computers a place to work. If you even begin to think that games are free to make, that is insane. Servers, advertising. Even Bobby Ks salary has to be figured in. I know all 9k weren't there the whole time, but do the math. It is great the game provided 9000 jobs, but to claim the game did well would be flat wrong.



    They made a billion in revenue which I know is different from profit, but when you look at that was 850 million in game sell alone that is what needs to be looked at. How many games today bring in 850 million in just sells when you subtract the microtransactions from it? Even if every person bought the 89 dollar version that is almost 10 million copies sold which you know most didn't buy the highest pack. You tell me another ARPG that has sold 10 million paid copies in the last 10 years. So call that a failure if you want but any game that can sell 10 million plus copies is far from a failure. Also when games are being made by a seasoned studio they use capital brought in from other games to pay the programmers, for office space, etc... this wasn't a start up company that had to go begging investors for money. Also leading the fact that they are still making content which releases in 3 days from now that is paid content on top of the microtransactions that read success to me not failure or doing bad. Just because someone doesn't like the game on a personal level doesn't make a game a failure. A game is a failure when it has to close down because no one is playing an there is no more revenue being pumped into the game to lead to profit.
    ValdemarJSovrath
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