Originally posted by Desperado Ianubisi, I sincerely have NO idea what you are talking about.
Back off the attitude in your original posts...your tone is antagonizing, you're clearly looking for a fight. If that is what you want then don't feign ignorance to what I'm saying.
If that's not what you want then take a few steps back and realize that you're being condescending, and borderline insulting.
If you still don't see it, then there's nothing left for me to reply to. Do with it what you will.
Back off the attitude in your original posts...your tone is antagonizing, you're clearly looking for a fight. If that is what you want then don't feign ignorance to what I'm saying. If that's not what you want then take a few steps back and realize that you're being condescending, and borderline insulting. If you still don't see it, then there's nothing left for me to reply to. Do with it what you will.
Take your own advice ianubisi. Read your own posts ianubisi. Clue me in on exactly wth you're talking about ianubisi. I still don't know what your gripe is, and now I REALLY DONT CARE!! You've offended me with your constant, unwarranted, accusations; And I hate that you've lead this thread off topic on a tyrant that only you understand.
I'll say it again: I have no damned idea what you are talking about!!
Yes my tone is deffinetly agressive at this point- I DON'T TAKE WELL TO BEING BLATENTLY ACCUSED OF BS. If you have more complaints about fabricated actions on my part, do the entire forum a favor and email me. This has gotten to a point past rediculous and doesn't need to interrupt this discussion anymore.
"A good man knows his limits, a Great man knows he has none...."
"A good man knows his limits, a Great man knows he has none...."
Children, settle down. This isn't the place. Take it elsewhere, knock your heads together, shake hands and get it over with, but not here.
Now, back to talking about the ethics of roleplaying opposite genders.
I've decided to start a list of things that can take ethics in to play when taking the role of the opposite sex, feel free to critique it or add to it.
1. Playing a character in which gender does not play a major issue in that race/class combination (such as a male playing a female ogre warrior...really, what's the point of playing a female? male and females are nearly identical in MOST games.)
2. Watch for when the gender doesn't fit the role of what they're roleplaying. Playing a hotshot/hotheaded elf lady when elf males are much more suited for the roles, for example.
3. Characters who choose a gender for looks when the look of that race in armor really doesn't change from one gender to the other, like trolls and ogres in EQ.
4. Players who are too sexual when roleplaying, as a general perspective. If you see a guy roleplaying a girl, but he's hitting on everyone he sees, and it's not in a roleplayin fashion, be wary.
There are others, but I want to here some input. Not all players are weird for playing characters of the opposite gender if the role fits the character.
*edit* fixed a few grammatical/punctuation errors.
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Originally posted by kingslayer If I were playing a pen and paper RPG and there was a guy who was playing a female charecter I would be a bit freaked out. That ofcourse is my opinion. It really counts for nothing. I can assure you if I am fully RP'ing in a game world and a female avatar that I am communicating with ( not trying to score) is really a guy. It would definately throw me off. And for the record, I am married, and have no desire to "score" in a virtual world.
My husband used to feel that way, until I turned him to the dark side. Just try it, I said. You'll like it, I said. Slowly but surely, his roster went from 100% male to 75% female. We roleplayed sisters. We roleplayed lesbians. Sometimes I would play a male character and be his female character's boyfriend. It was all kinds of fun!
He freaked people out because his primary character was a really gruff, grumpy, MALE dwarf cleric, and then his second highest level character was a sweet-but-sassy human female mage. People just couldn't believe that they were the same person. It cracked me up when a friend found out that the girl he was talking to was my husband, and said, "Man, what's with the skirt? I never would have guessed you'd play a girl." And then he found out about the other 5 girls on my husband's roster. *giggle*
I used to associate my real self with my game self, and I would try to make characters that expressed me. That was fun for a time. I think I would have been uncomfortable being a male character then. When I started exploring roles outside of myself and who I am (or THINK I am), it really started to get interesting. I don't think that you can say that roleplaying is necessarily a great tool for self-discovery, but I think I have learned more about myself from playing the hard stretch characters than I ever did from building my characters around what is most like me. If nothing else, you tend to run into your own limitations when you are really reaching for something outside of your own experience.
(Yes, I realize this is another topic entirely. Shame on me! No new topics! And I realize that slaying dragons is outside of everyone's experience. I was talking about a more personal, human level of experience. I am not a man in real life. I am not outgoing or strong. I am not very serious most of the time. But I can play those things, or I can TRY to...)
Very interesting read. I hope you are not roleplaying as you are posting this. A male poster pretending to be "she"....
Now see I don't have a problem males playing female characters or vise versa. But it's just I would really appreciate it if they could tell you up front so you don't make a mistake saying something, or make an ass out of yourself or anything like that. And also I don't really like the idea of males playing females to make it alot easier gaining items or money that you never even earned (other than the fact that your playing as a chick, which I find pretty low in guys).
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Back off the attitude in your original posts...your tone is antagonizing, you're clearly looking for a fight. If that is what you want then don't feign ignorance to what I'm saying.
If that's not what you want then take a few steps back and realize that you're being condescending, and borderline insulting.
If you still don't see it, then there's nothing left for me to reply to. Do with it what you will.
Take your own advice ianubisi. Read your own posts ianubisi. Clue me in on exactly wth you're talking about ianubisi. I still don't know what your gripe is, and now I REALLY DONT CARE!! You've offended me with your constant, unwarranted, accusations; And I hate that you've lead this thread off topic on a tyrant that only you understand.
I'll say it again: I have no damned idea what you are talking about!!
Yes my tone is deffinetly agressive at this point- I DON'T TAKE WELL TO BEING BLATENTLY ACCUSED OF BS. If you have more complaints about fabricated actions on my part, do the entire forum a favor and email me. This has gotten to a point past rediculous and doesn't need to interrupt this discussion anymore.
"A good man knows his limits, a Great man knows he has none...."
"A good man knows his limits, a Great man knows he has none...."
Children, settle down. This isn't the place. Take it elsewhere, knock your heads together, shake hands and get it over with, but not here.
Now, back to talking about the ethics of roleplaying opposite genders.
I've decided to start a list of things that can take ethics in to play when taking the role of the opposite sex, feel free to critique it or add to it.
1. Playing a character in which gender does not play a major issue in that race/class combination (such as a male playing a female ogre warrior...really, what's the point of playing a female? male and females are nearly identical in MOST games.)
2. Watch for when the gender doesn't fit the role of what they're roleplaying. Playing a hotshot/hotheaded elf lady when elf males are much more suited for the roles, for example.
3. Characters who choose a gender for looks when the look of that race in armor really doesn't change from one gender to the other, like trolls and ogres in EQ.
4. Players who are too sexual when roleplaying, as a general perspective. If you see a guy roleplaying a girl, but he's hitting on everyone he sees, and it's not in a roleplayin fashion, be wary.
There are others, but I want to here some input. Not all players are weird for playing characters of the opposite gender if the role fits the character.
*edit* fixed a few grammatical/punctuation errors.
Killer 100% Socializer 40% Explorer 33% Achiever 27%
My husband used to feel that way, until I turned him to the dark side. Just try it, I said. You'll like it, I said. Slowly but surely, his roster went from 100% male to 75% female. We roleplayed sisters. We roleplayed lesbians. Sometimes I would play a male character and be his female character's boyfriend. It was all kinds of fun!
He freaked people out because his primary character was a really gruff, grumpy, MALE dwarf cleric, and then his second highest level character was a sweet-but-sassy human female mage. People just couldn't believe that they were the same person. It cracked me up when a friend found out that the girl he was talking to was my husband, and said, "Man, what's with the skirt? I never would have guessed you'd play a girl." And then he found out about the other 5 girls on my husband's roster. *giggle*
I used to associate my real self with my game self, and I would try to make characters that expressed me. That was fun for a time. I think I would have been uncomfortable being a male character then. When I started exploring roles outside of myself and who I am (or THINK I am), it really started to get interesting. I don't think that you can say that roleplaying is necessarily a great tool for self-discovery, but I think I have learned more about myself from playing the hard stretch characters than I ever did from building my characters around what is most like me. If nothing else, you tend to run into your own limitations when you are really reaching for something outside of your own experience.
(Yes, I realize this is another topic entirely. Shame on me! No new topics! And I realize that slaying dragons is outside of everyone's experience. I was talking about a more personal, human level of experience. I am not a man in real life. I am not outgoing or strong. I am not very serious most of the time. But I can play those things, or I can TRY to...)
Very interesting read. I hope you are not roleplaying as you are posting this. A male poster pretending to be "she"....
lol...
Cheer.
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