George Bush says Japanese troops are better than American ones.

Necran · June 2006

Dubya did a press conference with the Japanese leader.
I watched the whole thing live, he said ""the reason they can leave is because they did such a good job".

According to him the area they were in charge of has now fallen under the peaceful rule of the new Iraqi government and no longer needs occupation by outside forces.

Scaris · June 2006

Originally posted by Necran
Dubya did a press conference with the Japanese leader.I watched the whole thing live, he said ""the reason they can leave is because they did such a good job".

Gee, that is convieniently twisting it into something you want to hear out of it isn't it?

Necran · June 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Necran
Dubya did a press conference with the Japanese leader.I watched the whole thing live, he said ""the reason they can leave is because they did such a good job".

Gee, that is convieniently twisting it into something you want to hear out of it isn't it?

Uh, i'm not twisting anything, this is a "free spin zone" as you guys like to say.
just the facts.

I heard people in the audience shuffle and cough when he said that so i'm not alone on this.

Why do i get the feeling i watch Bush's speeches live more than most American's, i may be the only person here who actually watched the whole thing, and im a friggin Canadian.

Could it be alot of you don't pay attention to things like that and just wait for what your told to believe.

Scaris · June 2006

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by FadeusOriginally posted by NecranDubya did a press conference with the Japanese leader.I watched the whole thing live, he said ""the reason they can leave is because they did such a good job".
Gee, that is convieniently twisting it into something you want to hear out of it isn't it?
Uh, i'm not twisting anything, this is a "free spin zone" as you guys like to say. just the facts.I heard people in the audience shuffle and cough when he said that so i'm not alone on this.Why do i get the feeling i watch Bush's speeches live more than most American's, i may be the only person here who actually watched the whole thing, and im a friggin Canadian.Could it be alot of you don't pay attention to things like that and just wait for what your told to believe.

If what you said you consider fact then I am not even going to continue a discussion with you. You drew out of it what you wanted.

And a "free spin zone" would mean there is alot of spin, not a lacking of it. And I have never considered this place a "spin free zone" for that matter either.

Necran · June 2006

You fail to make sense,
i was mocking the idea of a "free spin zone" because i clearly listen to more american media than you,

How truly American of you to mock me and ignore everything i said.

BobCrazyton · June 2006

What a kiss ass...

Jorev · June 2006

It's politics. There is no point in criticizing Japan.

Japan is a good ally and they did contribute troops for a time even though there was much outcry in Japan about it. That's more than one can say about some other countries.

Necran · June 2006

Originally posted by Jorev

It's politics. There is no point in criticizing Japan.
Japan is a good ally and they did contribute troops for a time even though there was much outcry in Japan about it. That's more than one can say about some other countries.

The funny thing is they spent alot of time on the subject of WWII, and never made direct mention to the nuclear bombing of two japanese cities full of innocent people, but the japanese leader said they learned that it would be a good idea to be allies with states after that, i actually laughed out loud, screw acronyms.

If thats how America makes friends i'm awfully glad canada just had the war of 1812 and the mounted police to keep you guys out.

American's like to act like they were nice for never taking over Canada but you guys tried pretty hard already.

Vercades · June 2006

Actually Necrran, they are talking about nuclear issues the ones pertaining to Korea's test bombings.

And, nothing Bush can say if the Japanese are actually doing a better job, if they're then they just are deal with it.

Vorm · June 2006

The war of 1812 was The States first real attempt at imperialism (the thinkers in office today have a scary similarity to those war hawks back then). Funny thing is, its widely thought that eventually Canadian territories would have joined the states anyway, but that particular war fostered a sense of national unity in Canadians that eventually developed into a real country.(it helped that you guys fought us to a standstill too...heh)

So in a way, American aggression MADE canada what it is today...

No need to thank us, we were happy to do it :P

And for the record, I dont begrudge Canada for not joining up in Iraq. You all are helping out in Afganistan, which i think is all but forgotten by alot of people who DO hold a grudge.

Jorev · June 2006

I seem to recall that America won the Revolutionary War and chose not to annex Canada just like we chose not to annex Mexico after winning the American/Mexican War. It's property we didn't want.

Both the Revolutianary War and the War of 1812 were against the British btw, Canada did not have autonomy back then, and even though British forces invading from Canada were victorious in the Great Lakes regions during the War of 1812, America won that war also.

Considering Canada was an ally to both England and America during WW2, and had full knowledge of German cities being carpet bombed by both countries, killing innocent civilians, while the Germans did the same to London, it's disingenuous for Canadians to claim they have clean hands. I see no difference between the civilians in Germany and Japan in that regard.

It's always easy to judge things in hindsight without the context of the reality of the moment. It's a given that civilians will die in wars and lots of them. Wars are the last response when diplomacy fails and it's silly to make rules on how to fight a war. You want to win and win quickly in order to preserve life on your side.

America spent a fortune rebuilding both Japan and Europe. We didn't just destroy and turn our backs on the aftermath. That's why Japan is our friend.

Blaze323232 · June 2006

Bush...is well, less than smart as we can see from past experiences...

Jorev · June 2006

Originally posted by Vorm
The war of 1812 was The States first real attempt at imperialism (the thinkers in office today have a scary similarity to those war hawks back then). Funny thing is, its widely thought that eventually Canadian territories would have joined the states anyway, but that particular war fostered a sense of national unity in Canadians that eventually developed into a real country.(it helped that you guys fought us to a standstill too...heh)

So in a way, American aggression MADE canada what it is today...

No need to thank us, we were happy to do it :P

And for the record, I dont begrudge Canada for not joining up in Iraq. You all are helping out in Afganistan, which i think is all but forgotten by alot of people who DO hold a grudge.

The War of 1812 was mainly in response to the British pressing American seamen and attacking American shipping. I don't know how you invented the notion that it was about imperialism. It was about protecting sovereignty in international waters.

porgie · June 2006

Originally posted by Vorm
The war of 1812 was The States first real attempt at imperialism (the thinkers in office today have a scary similarity to those war hawks back then). Funny thing is, its widely thought that eventually Canadian territories would have joined the states anyway, but that particular war fostered a sense of national unity in Canadians that eventually developed into a real country.(it helped that you guys fought us to a standstill too...heh)

So in a way, American aggression MADE canada what it is today...

No need to thank us, we were happy to do it :P

And for the record, I dont begrudge Canada for not joining up in Iraq. You all are helping out in Afganistan, which i think is all but forgotten by alot of people who DO hold a grudge.

Yeah, taking an egotistical stand on the issues always help in foreign relations. And we wonder why everyone thinks we're pompous jerks in the world.

You ever travel outside this country? Try it some time.

I just got back from Italy a couple of months ago. It's horrible what everyone thinks about us overseas. I had no idea it's as bad as it is. I was embarassed for my country. I love my country, but I was truly embarassed.

At first it made me angry how everyone was treating us, but then I started thinking about it. They all felt the same way. That says something.

I never felt unsafe, really. But we would go into restaurants and people would ask us if we support Bush. Flat out ask us. And in some places our service would depend on it.

Hochete · June 2006

In strict fairness, he's probably right :P It's not asthough the american army is immensley well trained, it does have the biggest budget behind it, but it's troops aren't fantastic.

baff · June 2006

Originally posted by Hohbein
In strict fairness, he's probably right :P It's not asthough the american army is immensley well trained, it does have the biggest budget behind it, but it's troops aren't fantastic.

They are in significantly better shape than the Japanese. They haven't fought for 60 years. Spent the whole time in Iraq hiding behind the Australians.

baff · June 2006

Originally posted by porgie

Yeah, taking an egotistical stand on the issues always help in foreign relations. And we wonder why everyone thinks we're pompous jerks in the world.

You ever travel outside this country? Try it some time.

I just got back from Italy a couple of months ago. It's horrible what everyone thinks about us overseas. I had no idea it's as bad as it is. I was embarassed for my country. I love my country, but I was truly embarassed.

At first it made me angry how everyone was treating us, but then I started thinking about it. They all felt the same way. That says something.

I never felt unsafe, really. But we would go into restaurants and people would ask us if we support Bush. Flat out ask us. And in some places our service would depend on it.

For an easy life in Europe, the trick is to say you are Canadian. Everyone loves Canadians.

celest86 · June 2006

I agree japanese troops is better than american. I mean they can do sacrifice..That crazy

TallonX · June 2006

Considering that Japan doesn't have an actualy millitary, but a deffence force (as per their constatution), it's admirable that they're over there at all. Japan does have a pretty hott deffence force though

hazmats · June 2006

Originally posted by Blaze323232
Bush...is well, less than smart as we can see from past experiences...

and yet he duped the entire world into a war in Iraq! (i'm just using classic "OMG i hate bush" stuff : I'm 100% behind bush on the war on terror, other things like spending (too much), immigration (he's a wuss on it), and other things i disagree with)

honzolo · June 2006

Originally posted by Necran
You fail to make sense,
i was mocking the idea of a "free spin zone" because i clearly listen to more american media than you,

How truly American of you to mock me and ignore everything i said.

You're still mad you guys lost the Stanley Cup to us, aren't you?

abbaba · June 2006

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by Jorev

It's politics. There is no point in criticizing Japan.
Japan is a good ally and they did contribute troops for a time even though there was much outcry in Japan about it. That's more than one can say about some other countries.

The funny thing is they spent alot of time on the subject of WWII, and never made direct mention to the nuclear bombing of two japanese cities full of innocent people, but the japanese leader said they learned that it would be a good idea to be allies with states after that, i actually laughed out loud, screw acronyms.

Did they talk about Pearl Harbor or the Bataan death march? How about the Japanese use of biological warfare (tested on POWs) against the Chinese?

"the reason they can leave is because they did such a good job". Does not = "Japanese Military is better than American Military."

That's some pretty nice twisting of words OP.

tetsul · June 2006

Originally posted by Jorev

The War of 1812 was mainly in response to the British pressing American seamen and attacking American shipping. I don't know how you invented the notion that it was about imperialism. It was about protecting sovereignty in international waters.

That was one of the main reasons but like everything people had their own ideas. Hull (in Michagan) was for all extensive purposes pushing for war in lines of what is considered imperialism. Others was to fight the British, that it was a continuation of the Revolutionary war. And for others it was to shoot the devils they were allied with (also known to us now as "Indians"), that Britain was provoking them to fight Americans in other areas. Most likely most fought because their government said to like most wars.

And that is REALLY selective reading for the OP.

seabass2003 · June 2006

royevans · June 2006

i knew bush was a bastard but c'mon i don't see why they didn't kick him out of office for that!

Vorm · June 2006

Ok, some people can't seem to read "tongue in cheek" posts. Its my
fault i supose, i give people too much credit in interperative reading
skills. My comments were not meant as an egotistical "yay yay USA" rant, it was a response to Necrans comments about the States and Canada.

And THANK you so very much about your oh so condescending ADVICE on going over seas. However, I've already done that. matter a fact im planning a trip to Naples in the fall or spring. the year after, Scotland, the year after that one of the scandanavian countries and so on. so yeah, I've "tried it sometime". Enjoyed it. found the people much more polite and helpful than you find here in the States.

And to Jorev, You are right, the war of 1812 WAS started under the pretex of protecting our shipping from the british, I BELIEVE the war was really pushed for by a small faction of powerbrokers in congress who really wanted all of America to be out from under the european influence and under the States influence. My main point was that at the time Canada wasn't really a country per se, it was a collection of sparsly populated provinces of mixed heritage (french and british and of course the native tribes). It wasnt until after the war that they began to think of themselves as Canadian. Granted, I'm not an expert of that time period, and im pulling this info from my memory of a series of classes a decade ago. Actually now im curious about it and plan on doing a bit more reading on the subject.....

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