I just dislike how a game company milks a game to death and doesn't invest in improving engines over time.
Originally posted by Canigua For a 5 year old game,i'll think the graphic is quite good And for the record get over it,AO will not get a new graphic engine the first 2 years.Since they upgraded the texture a few months back
Yes, i totally agree, a graphics engine would jsut make the game so much better. It would also get them a lot more players/money as i know of a few people whereby the only thing holding them back from subscribing is the poor graphics. Funcom keep trying to draw in more and more people with new expansions, but the main problem is graphics, which cannot be solved through expansions.
Originally posted by grape I did get "over it" I canceled.
I just dislike how a game company milks a game to death and doesn't invest in improving engines over time.
Originally posted by Canigua For a 5 year old game,i'll think the graphic is quite good And for the record get over it,AO will not get a new graphic engine the first 2 years.Since they upgraded the texture a few months back
You call this "milking a game to death"?When thousens of people still enjoy AO,for it's deep engaging gameplay rather then complain of it's lack of pixel.Gameplay before graphic anytime
I guess not everyone is a graphic whore. There are still people who play Interactive fiction/MUDS and text based games. Are they popular with mass appeal.. No. The argument of gameplay alone can hold 'subscribers' is not 100% true.
MMORPG's are visualy interactive games. If your not currently trying to improve the art and graphics then your milking your game and have no goals for long term growth. Why bother with graphics all together if your concern is only gameplay?
Look at UO for an example. The graphic engine of UO is older than I bet some of their subscribers. They milking that one? You bet.
You call this "milking a game to death"?When thousens of people still enjoy AO,for it's deep engaging gameplay rather then complain of it's lack of pixel.Gameplay before graphic anytime
Originally posted by grape That could go on another 5 years if they could do a graphics engine upgrade.
If they did a graphics upgrade and a good one I would probably start playing this game again. I know graphics aren't everything but AO's graphics were always very ugly to me and really turned me off from playing it. I could never get into it because of that.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by grape I guess not everyone is a graphic whore. There are still people who play Interactive fiction/MUDS and text based games. Are they popular with mass appeal.. No. The argument of gameplay alone can hold 'subscribers' is not 100% true.
MMORPG's are visualy interactive games. If your not currently trying to improve the art and graphics then your milking your game and have no goals for long term growth. Why bother with graphics all together if your concern is only gameplay?
Look at UO for an example. The graphic engine of UO is older than I bet some of their subscribers. They milking that one? You bet
So what you basically mean's is they should upgrade UO to a 3D engine and AO to EQ2 standard.I will let in to a secret,graphic upgrading cost money,it probably will cost more then income will cover.So why should they upgrade just because some graphic whores whine?Specially when they have a loyal player base that's happy with what they got
And for what i have noticed,most of the graphic whiner's is froob's,that's not even pay for the game!!
A lot of people complain about the graphics, and I would welcome WoW quality graphics, but as it stands Anarchy is a resource wh*re with absolutely pitiful servers trying to keep it alive. Make the game run smoothly 1st, then we can add some aesthetics.
Originally posted by Willowwhisp Make the game run smoothly 1st, then we can add some aesthetics.
Imo, the game does run extremely smoothly, with an almost unnoticeable amount of 'lag' in the busiest places at highly-stressed times. No! I am not using a high end PC, simply a mid to low range one with a semi-decent graphics card added in. They have already done several updates to thier server and i definately feel it is time to turn thier attention to the larger problem of them nasty graphics.
Originally posted by Limelightlex Originally posted by Willowwhisp Make the game run smoothly 1st, then we can add some aesthetics.
Imo, the game does run extremely smoothly, with an almost unnoticeable amount of 'lag' in the busiest places at highly-stressed times. No! I am not using a high end PC, simply a mid to low range one with a semi-decent graphics card added in. They have already done several updates to thier server and i definately feel it is time to turn thier attention to the larger problem of them nasty graphics.
Everytime I zone in this game I usaully lag spike (this is esepcially true in Shadowlands where I'll be in a perma lagspike for about 20 secs while all the zone loads, and even then I'll still get a fair bit of choppiness once that 20-30 second bit is over with). At Borealis on RK2 it's very diffuclt to head to grid without having the screen completely free and have a new picture every 4-5 seconds for about half a minute before everything finally catches up.
Pande Raids and Tara are also hell in my opinion. The game can run pretty smoothly in some cases but in my opinion there's ALOT of choppiness that betetr graphics would only add to.
Originally posted by Willowwhisp Originally posted by Limelightlex Originally posted by Willowwhisp Make the game run smoothly 1st, then we can add some aesthetics.
Imo, the game does run extremely smoothly, with an almost unnoticeable amount of 'lag' in the busiest places at highly-stressed times. No! I am not using a high end PC, simply a mid to low range one with a semi-decent graphics card added in. They have already done several updates to thier server and i definately feel it is time to turn thier attention to the larger problem of them nasty graphics.
Everytime I zone in this game I usaully lag spike (this is esepcially true in Shadowlands where I'll be in a perma lagspike for about 20 secs while all the zone loads, and even then I'll still get a fair bit of choppiness once that 20-30 second bit is over with). At Borealis on RK2 it's very diffuclt to head to grid without having the screen completely free and have a new picture every 4-5 seconds for about half a minute before everything finally catches up.
Pande Raids and Tara are also hell in my opinion. The game can run pretty smoothly in some cases but in my opinion there's ALOT of choppiness that betetr graphics would only add to.
hmm... i never had much problems with lag, sure there is some but its mmorpg after all...
While i did enjoy playing AO, it got boring quite fast. There isnt many interesting places, and by that i mean all the dungeons are very much alike the next one, towns are deserted except few "hot spots" and exploring with a lowbie character? Dont bother. More importantly, AO is level based and i really think that doesnt work very well in mmoprgs. Add instanced missions (i hate instances with passion) and AO definetly isnt for me. Saying that, AO isnt a bad game, not by far. It has kewl, complex skills, some very unique features (the Grid for example) and pvp isnt horrible (but not good either) and grouping made even missions semi-fun.
The point of my rant is, i dont think updating graphs would be enough to "save AO". Make it skill based, zoneless, use instances only when its absolutely necessary, combat less item dependent and for the love of all that is holy, KILL ALL ROLLERRATS!!!
Mind you, i only played as a fr00bie and while i did play many classes, i never played any of them to very high lvl. So, i dunno, maybe p2p is much better.
Originally posted by paade hmm... i never had much problems with lag, sure there is some but its mmorpg after all...
While i did enjoy playing AO, it got boring quite fast. There isnt many interesting places, and by that i mean all the dungeons are very much alike the next one, towns are deserted except few "hot spots" and exploring with a lowbie character? Dont bother. More importantly, AO is level based and i really think that doesnt work very well in mmoprgs. Add instanced missions (i hate instances with passion) and AO definetly isnt for me. Saying that, AO isnt a bad game, not by far. It has kewl, complex skills, some very unique features (the Grid for example) and pvp isnt horrible (but not good either) and grouping made even missions semi-fun.
The point of my rant is, i dont think updating graphs would be enough to "save AO". Make it skill based, zoneless, use instances only when its absolutely necessary, combat less item dependent and for the love of all that is holy, KILL ALL ROLLERRATS!!!
Mind you, i only played as a fr00bie and while i did play many classes, i never played any of them to very high lvl. So, i dunno, maybe p2p is much better.
Trustme Froobie Sucks. Once u get past the froobie stage and get Sl and AI and get some levels the games get realy fun
Originally posted by gamer9191 Originally posted by Limelightlex Originally posted by Willowwhisp Make the game run smoothly 1st, then we can add some aesthetics.
Imo, the game does run extremely smoothly, with an almost unnoticeable amount of 'lag' in the busiest places at highly-stressed times. No! I am not using a high end PC, simply a mid to low range one with a semi-decent graphics card added in. They have already done several updates to thier server and i definately feel it is time to turn thier attention to the larger problem of them nasty graphics.
i totally agree, willow, what kind of internet connection do u have, how much ram and what kind of graphics card, its not the game thats running un-smoothly, its u....i barely have lag except in the busyiest places and i dont have a high end comp either, just a broadband internet connection, nvidia geforce 6600 and 1 gig of ram :
I know plenty Of people with realy nice computer and this games dosnt run very well on them. Maybe you guys are lucky and dont get lag but i dont think having a nice comp has alot to do with it but keep in mind i know that help a little
They will not make graphic engine upgrade.. and thats sad because this game is great. I dont want to see LE mech battles with current engine NW is laggy enough. Current graphic engine: more ram > better graphic card.
Do you guys realise that when a compagny buy a graphic engine, it will cost them as much to upgrade a current game than to start a new game from scratch?
Why would they spend like 2 million$ for a new graphic engine, or tons of time coding a beter one, when they could make an AO2 with a new graphic engine? Code it from scratch, learn from past mistaked, improve what they have, make more worlds etc...
Than people playing 1st one would most likely buy the AO2 box for like 49$ per copy, than P2P and maybe they could make 15$ for AO2, 20$ for both game acces pass. What this does it basicly you get less stress on each server because ppl still play, and pay for the 1st game.
That would also bring a massive new player influx, having them hire more staff (gm, coder, artist etc.) and spend a lot of money, funcom is not blizzard and they have to be carefull about decision... If they spent 3 millions making AO2, and the game was a flop... they would go bankrupt as a compagny killing both AO and AO2 at same time.
I can certainly agree with people who would like to see a graphics upgrade... but it isn't a game-breaker for me. I did want to point out that a graphics upgrade IS possible, though. If Mythic can do it with DAoC, then surely Funcom could do it with AO. I know the Camelot graphics still aren't top of the line, but they are better than they were at launch by a long shot. That said... I am still playing AO and not DAoC... graphics certainly aren't everything. I also believe that with AoC in production and about a year out, there will never be a graphics engine update to AO.
The comments i have issues with are the ones with people calling the game buggy, or saying it generally runs bad. It runs fine for me, i can even run two instances of the game on my machine without any issues. It does have the occasional bit of lag in populated areas... like around RBB... but it has never been a real problem for me. I guess having played SWG for a few years, just about any game seems bug-free in comparison.
thats 5 more years of annoyin ad on this site. Really this game was too sexy to begin, one time when i was playin this game i went into a deep thought and snapped outta it 2 hours later, my buddy was like wtf are u doing, im like dunno i forget. turns out i lvled up 3 times and gained a new rare item.
I always kind of hoped they'd been smart with their money and stashed enough to be working on a bigger and better sequel. Maybe even give it a huge level cap and allow AO1 players to transfer their chars over.
Originally posted by green13 I always kind of hoped they'd been smart with their money and stashed enough to be working on a bigger and better sequel. Maybe even give it a huge level cap and allow AO1 players to transfer their chars over.
they are working on something bigger and better..AOC..ya, it doesnt have anything to do with AO...but i dont think they will do anything like that with AO
AO's got memory leaks all over the place lol As far as it looks right now they won't be doing much to the graphics but maybe more to the gameplay aspects of things.
Maybe they keep it the graphics the same so lower ends computers can accutally play the game without major lag. I mean my computer sucks but I can still play AO with very little lag.
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For a 5 year old game,i'll think the graphic is quite good
And for the record get over it,AO will not get a new graphic engine the first 2 years.Since they upgraded the texture a few months back
You call this "milking a game to death"?When thousens of people still enjoy AO,for it's deep engaging gameplay rather then complain of it's lack of pixel.Gameplay before graphic anytime
And not everybody is graphic whores
MMORPG's are visualy interactive games. If your not currently trying to improve the art and graphics then your milking your game and have no goals for long term growth. Why bother with graphics all together if your concern is only gameplay?
Look at UO for an example. The graphic engine of UO is older than I bet some of their subscribers. They milking that one? You bet.
You call this "milking a game to death"?When thousens of people still enjoy AO,for it's deep engaging gameplay rather then complain of it's lack of pixel.Gameplay before graphic anytime
And not everybody is graphic whores
If they did a graphics upgrade and a good one I would probably start playing this game again. I know graphics aren't everything but AO's graphics were always very ugly to me and really turned me off from playing it. I could never get into it because of that.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
So what you basically mean's is they should upgrade UO to a 3D engine and AO to EQ2 standard.I will let in to a secret,graphic upgrading cost money,it probably will cost more then income will cover.So why should they upgrade just because some graphic whores whine?Specially when they have a loyal player base that's happy with what they got
And for what i have noticed,most of the graphic whiner's is froob's,that's not even pay for the game!!
Everytime I zone in this game I usaully lag spike (this is esepcially true in Shadowlands where I'll be in a perma lagspike for about 20 secs while all the zone loads, and even then I'll still get a fair bit of choppiness once that 20-30 second bit is over with). At Borealis on RK2 it's very diffuclt to head to grid without having the screen completely free and have a new picture every 4-5 seconds for about half a minute before everything finally catches up.
Pande Raids and Tara are also hell in my opinion. The game can run pretty smoothly in some cases but in my opinion there's ALOT of choppiness that betetr graphics would only add to.
Everytime I zone in this game I usaully lag spike (this is esepcially true in Shadowlands where I'll be in a perma lagspike for about 20 secs while all the zone loads, and even then I'll still get a fair bit of choppiness once that 20-30 second bit is over with). At Borealis on RK2 it's very diffuclt to head to grid without having the screen completely free and have a new picture every 4-5 seconds for about half a minute before everything finally catches up.
Pande Raids and Tara are also hell in my opinion. The game can run pretty smoothly in some cases but in my opinion there's ALOT of choppiness that betetr graphics would only add to.
So true
While i did enjoy playing AO, it got boring quite fast. There isnt many interesting places, and by that i mean all the dungeons are very much alike the next one, towns are deserted except few "hot spots" and exploring with a lowbie character? Dont bother. More importantly, AO is level based and i really think that doesnt work very well in mmoprgs. Add instanced missions (i hate instances with passion) and AO definetly isnt for me.
Saying that, AO isnt a bad game, not by far. It has kewl, complex skills, some very unique features (the Grid for example) and pvp isnt horrible (but not good either) and grouping made even missions semi-fun.
The point of my rant is, i dont think updating graphs would be enough to "save AO". Make it skill based, zoneless, use instances only when its absolutely necessary, combat less item dependent and for the love of all that is holy, KILL ALL ROLLERRATS!!!
Mind you, i only played as a fr00bie and while i did play many classes, i never played any of them to very high lvl. So, i dunno, maybe p2p is much better.
i totally agree, willow, what kind of internet connection do u have, how much ram and what kind of graphics card, its not the game thats running un-smoothly, its u....i barely have lag except in the busyiest places and i dont have a high end comp either, just a broadband internet connection, nvidia geforce 6600 and 1 gig of ram :
I know plenty Of people with realy nice computer and this games dosnt run very well on them. Maybe you guys are lucky and dont get lag but i dont think having a nice comp has alot to do with it but keep in mind i know that help a little
They will not make graphic engine upgrade.. and thats sad because this game is great. I dont want to see LE mech battles with current engine NW is laggy enough.
Current graphic engine: more ram > better graphic card.
Do you guys realise that when a compagny buy a graphic engine, it will cost them as much to upgrade a current game than to start a new game from scratch?
Why would they spend like 2 million$ for a new graphic engine, or tons of time coding a beter one, when they could make an AO2 with a new graphic engine? Code it from scratch, learn from past mistaked, improve what they have, make more worlds etc...
Than people playing 1st one would most likely buy the AO2 box for like 49$ per copy, than P2P and maybe they could make 15$ for AO2, 20$ for both game acces pass. What this does it basicly you get less stress on each server because ppl still play, and pay for the 1st game.
That would also bring a massive new player influx, having them hire more staff (gm, coder, artist etc.) and spend a lot of money, funcom is not blizzard and they have to be carefull about decision... If they spent 3 millions making AO2, and the game was a flop... they would go bankrupt as a compagny killing both AO and AO2 at same time.
I can certainly agree with people who would like to see a graphics upgrade... but it isn't a game-breaker for me. I did want to point out that a graphics upgrade IS possible, though. If Mythic can do it with DAoC, then surely Funcom could do it with AO. I know the Camelot graphics still aren't top of the line, but they are better than they were at launch by a long shot. That said... I am still playing AO and not DAoC... graphics certainly aren't everything. I also believe that with AoC in production and about a year out, there will never be a graphics engine update to AO.
The comments i have issues with are the ones with people calling the game buggy, or saying it generally runs bad. It runs fine for me, i can even run two instances of the game on my machine without any issues. It does have the occasional bit of lag in populated areas... like around RBB... but it has never been a real problem for me. I guess having played SWG for a few years, just about any game seems bug-free in comparison.
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