actually, hermana, i'll post the part of your previous post that SCREAMS "i am a fanboi, i have no opinions of my own, help me my god":
Now to my post. Why is WoW a GOOD game? 5 Million players cant be wrong! That is why.
notice how you start that line with ow to my post. INSINUATING, i'm sorry, STATING "hey, here is where my actual post/feelings begin. that, dear hermana, is fanboi 100% from the heart!
by the by, emo is NOT an excuse for bad manners, but don't let good sense stand in the way... do what you feel you need to do, hermana.
Thank you for proving me correct here. Basically we are not allowed to tot or state if we like or enjoy a game. Instead we all must be repressed haters that put down everything. Thanks again. So no real discussion can happen. I am sorry. I thought this was a forum board. Obviously this a "I hate everything in existence because if I dont then I am labelled a fanboi" board.
Kai
Why is WoW a GOOD game? 5 Million players cant be wrong! That is why. <<< that's not an opinion about ANYTHING that has to do with the game. does that mean you have great character creation? great classes? great instances? does that tell ANYTHING about the game in the slighest bit? no. it requires no thought at all -- fanboi. it's a flag waved constantly by fanbois, who, are unable to intelligently articulate good/bad points about the game. hence the label - fanboi. don't like the lablel? then actually point out good/bad parts of the game and don't make fanboi comments which IN YOUR OWN WORDS are the meat of your post. bleh, whatever
I love how you keep the rest of my post out of yours so you can support your arguement. Wouldnt want people who read this post of yours to see that I actually did give comment more then just one line. Like where I said all MMOs have the issues listed by the OP.
I also love how you said that is a flag constantly waved by fanbois. Hmmm EQ2 fanbois ever say they had 5 million players? How about Eve fanbois? Heck how about SWG fanbois? N0. Hmmm I wonder why.....
Kai
Or maybe its the superior attitude for no good reason? But then who can I say to someone that always thinks they are right? How about this? Can WoW say that it started the MMO market? No. Hmmm I wonder why..... See how pretentious that is? Probably not. Since it is coming from you.
Well that is because another game started the MMO genre and though I never played it I have heard it was an awesome game in its day. So if anyone came to me and said that game was good because it started the whole thing then I would have to agree. Your still grasping at straws there champ.
I dont really care if I am wrong or right. You seem to be the only one hung up on the whole issue of being right or wrong since you keep bringing it up all the time. Hmmmmmm
I played WoW for 1 year in a raiding guild before I quit. I think every1 knows raiding is just about grinding just like grinding in any other mmo.
However most of the raiding people also agree its mostly boring and they still do it. PvP system is an even bigger grind, no1 likes the battleground system. With new upcoming outdoor it might become fun, but it will still be a grind between the players who can play the most.
You keep talking about the player base, and that MCdonalds server 4bilion? people. How about eating something good at a fine resturaunt instead of soemthing unhealthy and doesn't even taste that good?
I wouldn't say WoW is a bad quality game but if you wait a few months-half a year, there will be higher quality games with a smaller player base I bet
5 milion subscribers does shit all when they all are divided on over thousends of servers
Im atleast going for another game when I can (TCoS). WoW is flooded with first time MMOers, underaged kids who don't know quality when they see it.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
Would a child between 4~12 year old be more happy with a great meal, full of things that took hours and hours to make, finished with a nice glass of wine, or would he or she be more happy with some french fries, a hamburger and a coke?
FINALLY you understand... wow's crowd and um, other crowds. cheers to ya lassie
is this an attempt to try to say WoW is only played by a bunch of 12 year olds?..aww, thats a shame..you have nothing to back up your statement.
you.
Sure mate, sure. Even if I was a 12 year old kid, I am one player not 6.5 million players. troll on!
prove that you're not, and prove that all the other players aren't.
i can say that i'm lannie barbie. can you prove i'm not? please do. until then, think about... nm, you won't ever understand until you can "think outside the box".
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Now to my post. Why is WoW a GOOD game? 5 Million players cant be wrong! That is why. is that out of context? did i leave out something between the "post. Why" ? if "now to your post" is in there, followed by the question, followed by the answer...
sorry, i was reading your post logically, not emo'esquely. my sincerest and deepest apologies for reading what you'd actually written.
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
Would a child between 4~12 year old be more happy with a great meal, full of things that took hours and hours to make, finished with a nice glass of wine, or would he or she be more happy with some french fries, a hamburger and a coke?
FINALLY you understand... wow's crowd and um, other crowds. cheers to ya lassie
is this an attempt to try to say WoW is only played by a bunch of 12 year olds?..aww, thats a shame..you have nothing to back up your statement.
you.
Sure mate, sure. Even if I was a 12 year old kid, I am one player not 6.5 million players. troll on!
prove that you're not, and prove that all the other players aren't.
i can say that i'm lannie barbie. can you prove i'm not? please do. until then, think about... nm, you won't ever understand until you can "think outside the box".
I have no desire to post my birth certificate on this forum. I don't need to prove my age, I think I know my own age just fine, thank you. the average age of MMO players was around 26 I believe according to the last poll annd as WoW holds over 50% of the total MMO subscriber base, its silly to think WoW would be that diffrent, as most of the votes came from WoW players. many children STILL can't afford a monthly fee, and many parents are against it because they don't know what the monthly fee is for, and don't like using the credit card. as long as you don't come up with proof that the WoW average age is younger then other MMO's, the average age of 26 still counts as it is the most reliable source.
actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
And i still played the game... I think it is the pleasure before getting to 60.. You hear about lvl 60: Ooow it is great, reading is cool etc. But once you get lvl 60, it is only raiding, grinding etc. Thank god you can exlore, that kept me on to play the game.. But that also got old and bored, thats why i quitted.. A good decision
I have no desire to post my birth certificate on this forum. I don't need to prove my age, I think I know my own age just fine, thank you. the average age of MMO players was around 26 I believe according to the last poll annd as WoW holds over 50% of the total MMO subscriber base, its silly to think WoW would be that diffrent, as most of the votes came from WoW players. many children STILL can't afford a monthly fee, and many parents are against it because they don't know what the monthly fee is for, and don't like using the credit card. as long as you don't come up with proof that the WoW average age is younger then other MMO's, the average age of 26 still counts as it is the most reliable source.
actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
my tween nephews play. their guild is mostly their age. they talk to a number of other kids on vent that play. my teen nephews play a bit. pretty much same story. the wife is in a guild with about 60 active players, 4 of which are kids (by kids i'm talking tween-early teens), plus quite a number of 16-19 yr olds.
remember the whole "demographics" thing? i don't worship any idols, i look and listen and ask questions. i'm sorry that upsets you so.
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
I have no desire to post my birth certificate on this forum. I don't need to prove my age, I think I know my own age just fine, thank you. the average age of MMO players was around 26 I believe according to the last poll annd as WoW holds over 50% of the total MMO subscriber base, its silly to think WoW would be that diffrent, as most of the votes came from WoW players. many children STILL can't afford a monthly fee, and many parents are against it because they don't know what the monthly fee is for, and don't like using the credit card. as long as you don't come up with proof that the WoW average age is younger then other MMO's, the average age of 26 still counts as it is the most reliable source.
actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
my tween nephews play. their guild is mostly their age. they talk to a number of other kids on vent that play. my teen nephews play a bit. pretty much same story. the wife is in a guild with about 60 active players, 4 of which are kids (by kids i'm talking tween-early teens), plus quite a number of 16-19 yr olds.
remember the whole "demographics" thing? i don't worship any idols, i look and listen and ask questions. i'm sorry that upsets you so.
Yes, your teen nephews ,your wife and their guild represent the entire 6.5 million subscriber base. just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
Originally posted by Kazanukari we really dnot care about those things... we think its fun...
heh....
Why wow is a bad game ... because we think its fun...
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Yes, your teen nephews ,your wife and their guild represent the entire 6.5 million subscriber base. just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
since you are acting like the expert... who all do you know that plays? the age ranges? all this sort of thing? you don't know anything except your chant "x million". wow is the best starter mmo out there because of blizznet and the blizzard name. it is far from the highest quality mmo out there and is not anything of rpg. this really isn't my opinion. any layman can look around and compare/contrast the games on the market and see these as facts.
but i'm the one with issues on a crusade. yet every argument you make about wow in any form is "x million people can't be wrong". the illogic you champion is truly a monument to um... yeah, i'm starting to think you, conversec and moomoo share the same accounts. how many millions of accounts/subs/players are there for a plethora of asian games which YOU deem beneath notice? yet for those tens of millions of people, those games are absolutely the cat's meow. your argument of x million anythings therefore is meaningless when brought into a worldview.
but run with non-logic and claim superiority on facts that don't encompass the entire world-market of games which mmorpgers actually play. whine and mock and be superiour until the cows come home lil miss, it honestly won't change a thing.
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
Yes, your teen nephews ,your wife and their guild represent the entire 6.5 million subscriber base. just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
since you are acting like the expert... who all do you know that plays? the age ranges? all this sort of thing? you don't know anything except your chant "x million". wow is the best starter mmo out there because of blizznet and the blizzard name. it is far from the highest quality mmo out there and is not anything of rpg. this really isn't my opinion. any layman can look around and compare/contrast the games on the market and see these as facts.
Actually, the people that are known for their knowledge about games have rated World of Warcraft over other MMO's. Reviews, awards, players.all rated WoW over other MMO's. they have said WoW is higher quality then todays other MMO's. hundreds of people who, unlike you, actually know what the heck they are talking about because its their JOB gave WoW the prize as best MMORPG. YOU are the one who should get his facts right. not me. WOW is just like RPG as other MMORPG's. again, get your facts right. but it is pretty funny. you say it isn't you opinion, but we both know it IS your opinion. and its funny how you think your opinion is fact.
but i'm the one with issues on a crusade. yet every argument you make about wow in any form is "x million people can't be wrong". the illogic you champion is truly a monument to um... yeah, i'm starting to think you, conversec and moomoo share the same accounts. how many millions of accounts/subs/players are there for a plethora of asian games which YOU deem beneath notice? yet for those tens of millions of people, those games are absolutely the cat's meow. your argument of x million anythings therefore is meaningless when brought into a worldview.
but run with non-logic and claim superiority on facts that don't encompass the entire world-market of games which mmorpgers actually play. whine and mock and be superiour until the cows come home lil miss, it honestly won't change a thing.
For the love of god Dami, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. there IS NO ASIAN MMORPG WITH MORE SUBSCRBERS THEN WOW. Those are ACCOUNTS CREATED. not SUBSCRIBERS. You want to know those games? who actually DO have million subscribers? Lineage and Lineage 2. both of them are good games. so there goes your theory. You should really start to actually read my posts before you open that mouth of yours. I said 6.5 million subscribers proved WoW is a good game, not the best. 6.5 million people won't pay for a low quality MMO. what makes WOW the best are the highest reviews and the amount of awards. period. fact. end of discussion. about me keep bringing up the million part, the awards and reviews is because thats basicly all that proves WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. The only thing you come up with is your own opinion about the raid game.
Actually, the people that are known for their knowledge about games have rated World of Warcraft over other MMO's. Reviews, awards, players.all rated WoW over other MMO's. they have said WoW is higher quality then todays other MMO's.
please give me a link to these, i mean the reviewers that have played these games for months and have experienced what there is to experience first-hand.
For the love of god Dami, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. there IS NO ASIAN MMORPG WITH MORE SUBSCRBERS THEN WOW. Those are ACCOUNTS CREATED. not SUBSCRIBERS.
get your stuff out of a wad. now you know how people feel when you repeat yourself with the same inane comment no matter WHAT anyone says. does it feel good? does it?
what makes WOW the best are the highest reviews and the amount of awards. period. fact. end of discussion.
please, give me the links where the people giving these awards have played all the games in running for said awards, have played those games for MONTHS and experienced all there is to experience. anyone can play for a free trial period and get a great impression of most any game and then write a review. that's like watching the previews to a movie and then reviewing the movie.
about me keep bringing up the million part, the awards and reviews is because thats basicly all that proves WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. The only thing you come up with is your own opinion about the raid game.
i pity you.
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
Actually, the people that are known for their knowledge about games have rated World of Warcraft over other MMO's. Reviews, awards, players.all rated WoW over other MMO's. they have said WoW is higher quality then todays other MMO's.
please give me a link to these, i mean the reviewers that have played these games for months and have experienced what there is to experience first-hand.
I have a newsflash for you. Most MMO's don't CHANGE before the endgame. what your doing at lvl 5 is the same at lvl 55. I can name a few exceptions and those are Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame, and surprise, the endgame is not the entire game. its not even the biggest part of the game.
For the love of god Dami, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. there IS NO ASIAN MMORPG WITH MORE SUBSCRBERS THEN WOW. Those are ACCOUNTS CREATED. not SUBSCRIBERS.
get your stuff out of a wad. now you know how people feel when you repeat yourself with the same inane comment no matter WHAT anyone says. does it feel good? does it?
actually it does, because I state facts. you state bullshit. what makes WOW the best are the highest reviews and the amount of awards. period. fact. end of discussion.
please, give me the links where the people giving these awards have played all the games in running for said awards, have played those games for MONTHS and experienced all there is to experience. anyone can play for a free trial period and get a great impression of most any game and then write a review. that's like watching the previews to a movie and then reviewing the movie.
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away. about me keep bringing up the million part, the awards and reviews is because thats basicly all that proves WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. The only thing you come up with is your own opinion about the raid game.
i pity you.
says the pretty sad WoW hater. you should take a look at the mirror and pity yourself.
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away.
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
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Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
I have a newsflash for you. Most MMO's don't CHANGE before the endgame. what your doing at lvl 5 is the same at lvl 55. I can name a few exceptions and those are Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame, and surprise, the endgame is not the entire game. its not even the biggest part of the game.
12 patches and counting. which patch added pre-60 play? i'm a dimwit, you should be able to point out this glaring booboo on my part.
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WoW is a great game it allows u to explore a whole new world and much more freatures. You can do anything just no trading items cuz it retardly binds onto you once u pick it up, u must get pts from guilds and do A LOT of guild quests and other crap that could take months and months just to get the most powerful weapon in the game. Meanwhile Blizzard is making money off every sucker that is grinding their ass off for these virtual items. One thing about maplestory that beats blizzard anyday is becuz of its cashshop. The CashShop actually saves US the gamers time from doing a million bosses to get a item that two other guild memebers could get over u, and not to mention money u spend to do it. Cashshop = maybe 20 bucks for a item ur character really wants over 6 months each costin about 15 bucks. The last sweet thing about blizzard is that the are so strict they stop all kinds of cheatin method just so u dun pay other people money for the items, instead u invest ur money into them and play for a chance u could gain that item. Risky, but who gives a damn their just gamers. This is their life.
Originally posted by gpkyo WoW is a great game it allows u to explore a whole new world and much more freatures. You can do anything just no trading items cuz it retardly binds onto you once u pick it up, u must get pts from guilds and do A LOT of guild quests and other crap that could take months and months just to get the most powerful weapon in the game. Meanwhile Blizzard is making money off every sucker that is grinding their ass off for these virtual items.
i've noticed a lot of people that are anti-eve, point out what a deliberate timesink skills are. they fail to notice/acknowledge the above. every patch/3 months, wow adds a new raid/timesink which causes a certain crowd to be forced to play longer, in order to get the new items which require farming of said instance... six of one, half a dozen of the other, only difference is i have to grind in the latter timesink, whereas the former timesink goes on it's merry way even if i'm sleeping.
this isn't pro/con/turning about eve or any other game. just agreeing about the timesink statement and putting it into context... all games have a timesink it seems, some require you to get tendinitis, others don't.
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away.
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
Originally posted by gpkyo WoW is a great game it allows u to explore a whole new world and much more freatures. You can do anything just no trading items cuz it retardly binds onto you once u pick it up, u must get pts from guilds and do A LOT of guild quests and other crap that could take months and months just to get the most powerful weapon in the game. Meanwhile Blizzard is making money off every sucker that is grinding their ass off for these virtual items. One thing about maplestory that beats blizzard anyday is becuz of its cashshop. The CashShop actually saves US the gamers time from doing a million bosses to get a item that two other guild memebers could get over u, and not to mention money u spend to do it. Cashshop = maybe 20 bucks for a item ur character really wants over 6 months each costin about 15 bucks. The last sweet thing about blizzard is that the are so strict they stop all kinds of cheatin method just so u dun pay other people money for the items, instead u invest ur money into them and play for a chance u could gain that item. Risky, but who gives a damn their just gamers. This is their life.
Cashshop is just one other way to get the money from the players. Personally I find its more expensive in the long run to deal with something like that then it is a monthly fee. But you do get the items quicker.
In WoW, how guilds divvy up the items is pretty much up to the guild. And each one is different. I have seen some guilds get way too technical and in the long run it does create problems. The more you add to the plumbing, the easier it is to clog up the drain. My guild just uses a calender that anyone can post on. You just post the instance name, time, date, and item your looking for. Then the other guild members that want to go sign up on it. Everything else is up for grabs. BoEs are greeded, BoPs are passed and talked about. But if that item on the calender drops its yours.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away.
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
1 - still don't see a link. hook it up. i commented on the reviewer's comments (in the awards thread) like "it'll take months and months to get to lvl 40+". yup, sounds like he played hundreds of hours. 2 - if you'd played ANY beta, then played retail, you'd understand why your comment is like saying "hey, i eat cheese, that means that hot dogs taste good". remember pvp in beta? what happened before it went retail?
i can't read, yet your post here and in the awards thread make no sense in light of actual facts. i'm sorry i burst your bubble about gamespot, lass. don't care if you cry or not. deal and grow up already.
seriously man, stop making up crap and post something real.
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I have a newsflash for you. Most MMO's don't CHANGE before the endgame. what your doing at lvl 5 is the same at lvl 55. I can name a few exceptions and those are Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame, and surprise, the endgame is not the entire game. its not even the biggest part of the game.
you're talking about wow, right? 12 patches with nothing but post lvl 60 content... takes a month to 6 weeks to hit level 60 WITHOUT rushing it... takes how many months to actually go thru all the post lvl 60 content and semi-finish it? stop with the emo drama already. how about we play this game, i like to call it "stop lying". or as jeff kaplan puts it "learn to raid". maybe you could list all the pre-60 raids there are?
actually it does, because I state facts. you state bullshit.
emo is not an excuse for bad manners, lass.
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away. so in the gamespot review, he (the gamespot reviewer) talks nothing at all about battlegrounds because at the time it was written, the writer had never PLAYED in a battleground. sounds like a HUGE change there.
in the 4 page gamespot review (if you had actually bothered to read it, instead of just going "oh look, 9.5 rating, i'm a lemming, it's a god"), you can see that he never ONCE mentions raiding ANYTHING. he actually makes comments along the lines of "it'll take months and months to get the next 40-50+ levels". i'm pretty sure level cap has been 60 this entire time. kaplan's ENTIRE purpose of this game is raiding (see e3's "learn to raid" emofest). yet you feel comfortable in making statements in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the statements of wow's lead dev? wow, just wow. and you're calling me stupid?
need i point out that the gamespot reviewer also mentions NOTHING about faction/reputation vendor items/prizes. does that mean that all the faction goodies you get for high rep are just crap compared to the rest of the NON-raid gear?
keep in mind, you just stated that pre lvl 60 is the majority of the game.... seeing the lack of logic in your so-called argument?
what's that fair called? dark moon faire? 4 pages of a review, shouldn't it have at least mentioned that you can just keep turning in for tickets and eventually get a nice lil purple? seriously, this review was made 5 days after retail release and contains little to no information about the game we know today. yet, you refer to it's 9.5 rating as a reason wow is a quality game... based on a review that is completely useless on the game itself... wow.
maybe you could read reviews before making statements of total and complete MISinformation like the above. for shame, missy, for shame.
says the pretty sad WoW hater. you should take a look at the mirror and pity yourself.
to quote mr. T, "i pity the fool..."
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Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by Gameloading
You again completely miss the point. like I said, in most MMO's, the game is completely the same from lvl 5 to the cap. the only thing thats diffrent is the endgame. reviewers actually DO play MMO's for a serious amount of time, its not like they play it for 10 minutes and then throw it away.
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
1 - still don't see a link. hook it up. i commented on the reviewer's comments (in the awards thread) like "it'll take months and months to get to lvl 40+". yup, sounds like he played hundreds of hours.
2 - if you'd played ANY beta, then played retail, you'd understand why your comment is like saying "hey, i eat cheese, that means that hot dogs taste good". remember pvp in beta? what happened before it went retail?
You did play the WoW beta, did you? If so, then you should know that the last couple of MONTHS of beta were the EXACT same as the retail game. pvp? It was the same. sure it happened a little less here and then after Battlegrounds apeared, but the PVP still is the same.
i can't read, yet your post here and in the awards thread make no sense in light of actual facts. i'm sorry i burst your bubble about gamespot, lass. don't care if you cry or not. deal and grow up already.
seriously man, stop making up crap and post something real.
thats funny, because your the one thats comming up with crap. oh don't even bother to bring up your "awards" topic. you didn't burst any bubbles, you wrote a few silly comments. learn the diffrence. I should grow up? your the one bashing a GAME in about every topic you can find. how sad.
just because you post misinformation a bazillion times, and it's something i CAN look up and verify, it won't make the lies become truth. curse that internet! yeah, that 4 page gamespot review with the 9.5 rating is complete rubbish and has no useful information about the game today - fact. whine, squeal, whatever; call me stupid, a child, a loser; it won't change the truth.
you want the truth? you can't handle the truth!!!
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I dont really care if I am wrong or right. You seem to be the only one hung up on the whole issue of being right or wrong since you keep bringing it up all the time. Hmmmmmm
Kai
I played WoW for 1 year in a raiding guild before I quit. I think every1 knows raiding is just about grinding just like grinding in any other mmo.
However most of the raiding people also agree its mostly boring and they still do it. PvP system is an even bigger grind, no1 likes the battleground system. With new upcoming outdoor it might become fun, but it will still be a grind between the players who can play the most.
You keep talking about the player base, and that MCdonalds server 4bilion? people. How about eating something good at a fine resturaunt instead of soemthing unhealthy and doesn't even taste that good?
I wouldn't say WoW is a bad quality game but if you wait a few months-half a year, there will be higher quality games with a smaller player base I bet
5 milion subscribers does shit all when they all are divided on over thousends of servers
Im atleast going for another game when I can (TCoS). WoW is flooded with first time MMOers, underaged kids who don't know quality when they see it.
FINALLY you understand... wow's crowd and um, other crowds. cheers to ya lassie
is this an attempt to try to say WoW is only played by a bunch of 12 year olds?..aww, thats a shame..you have nothing to back up your statement.
you.
Sure mate, sure.
Even if I was a 12 year old kid, I am one player not 6.5 million players.
troll on!
prove that you're not, and prove that all the other players aren't.
i can say that i'm lannie barbie. can you prove i'm not? please do. until then, think about... nm, you won't ever understand until you can "think outside the box".
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is that out of context? did i leave out something between the "post. Why" ? if "now to your post" is in there, followed by the question, followed by the answer...
sorry, i was reading your post logically, not emo'esquely. my sincerest and deepest apologies for reading what you'd actually written.
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FINALLY you understand... wow's crowd and um, other crowds. cheers to ya lassie
is this an attempt to try to say WoW is only played by a bunch of 12 year olds?..aww, thats a shame..you have nothing to back up your statement.
you.
Sure mate, sure.
Even if I was a 12 year old kid, I am one player not 6.5 million players.
troll on!
prove that you're not, and prove that all the other players aren't.
i can say that i'm lannie barbie. can you prove i'm not? please do. until then, think about... nm, you won't ever understand until you can "think outside the box".
I have no desire to post my birth certificate on this forum. I don't need to prove my age, I think I know my own age just fine, thank you. the average age of MMO players was around 26 I believe according to the last poll annd as WoW holds over 50% of the total MMO subscriber base, its silly to think WoW would be that diffrent, as most of the votes came from WoW players. many children STILL can't afford a monthly fee, and many parents are against it because they don't know what the monthly fee is for, and don't like using the credit card. as long as you don't come up with proof that the WoW average age is younger then other MMO's, the average age of 26 still counts as it is the most reliable source.
actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
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actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
my tween nephews play. their guild is mostly their age. they talk to a number of other kids on vent that play. my teen nephews play a bit. pretty much same story. the wife is in a guild with about 60 active players, 4 of which are kids (by kids i'm talking tween-early teens), plus quite a number of 16-19 yr olds.
remember the whole "demographics" thing? i don't worship any idols, i look and listen and ask questions. i'm sorry that upsets you so.
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actually your the one who can't "think out the box". you still think your oppinion is a fact, which its simply not. WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. you don't like it, thats your problem. as long as you come in here un-prepared, and post a lot of statements that you can't back up, your statements are pointless
my tween nephews play. their guild is mostly their age. they talk to a number of other kids on vent that play. my teen nephews play a bit. pretty much same story. the wife is in a guild with about 60 active players, 4 of which are kids (by kids i'm talking tween-early teens), plus quite a number of 16-19 yr olds.
remember the whole "demographics" thing? i don't worship any idols, i look and listen and ask questions. i'm sorry that upsets you so.
Yes, your teen nephews ,your wife and their guild represent the entire 6.5 million subscriber base.
just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
heh....
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just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
since you are acting like the expert... who all do you know that plays? the age ranges? all this sort of thing? you don't know anything except your chant "x million". wow is the best starter mmo out there because of blizznet and the blizzard name. it is far from the highest quality mmo out there and is not anything of rpg. this really isn't my opinion. any layman can look around and compare/contrast the games on the market and see these as facts.
but i'm the one with issues on a crusade. yet every argument you make about wow in any form is "x million people can't be wrong". the illogic you champion is truly a monument to um... yeah, i'm starting to think you, conversec and moomoo share the same accounts. how many millions of accounts/subs/players are there for a plethora of asian games which YOU deem beneath notice? yet for those tens of millions of people, those games are absolutely the cat's meow. your argument of x million anythings therefore is meaningless when brought into a worldview.
but run with non-logic and claim superiority on facts that don't encompass the entire world-market of games which mmorpgers actually play. whine and mock and be superiour until the cows come home lil miss, it honestly won't change a thing.
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just face it, you can't back up your statement. you simply keep going on your anti - WoW crusade. you still think your oppinion is a fact. you just completely fail to see WoW is not a game for you, but at the sametime is the current highest quality MMORPG.
since you are acting like the expert... who all do you know that plays? the age ranges? all this sort of thing? you don't know anything except your chant "x million". wow is the best starter mmo out there because of blizznet and the blizzard name. it is far from the highest quality mmo out there and is not anything of rpg. this really isn't my opinion. any layman can look around and compare/contrast the games on the market and see these as facts.
Actually, the people that are known for their knowledge about games have rated World of Warcraft over other MMO's. Reviews, awards, players.all rated WoW over other MMO's. they have said WoW is higher quality then todays other MMO's. hundreds of people who, unlike you, actually know what the heck they are talking about because its their JOB gave WoW the prize as best MMORPG. YOU are the one who should get his facts right. not me.
WOW is just like RPG as other MMORPG's. again, get your facts right.
but it is pretty funny. you say it isn't you opinion, but we both know it IS your opinion. and its funny how you think your opinion is fact.
but i'm the one with issues on a crusade. yet every argument you make about wow in any form is "x million people can't be wrong". the illogic you champion is truly a monument to um... yeah, i'm starting to think you, conversec and moomoo share the same accounts. how many millions of accounts/subs/players are there for a plethora of asian games which YOU deem beneath notice? yet for those tens of millions of people, those games are absolutely the cat's meow. your argument of x million anythings therefore is meaningless when brought into a worldview.
but run with non-logic and claim superiority on facts that don't encompass the entire world-market of games which mmorpgers actually play. whine and mock and be superiour until the cows come home lil miss, it honestly won't change a thing.
For the love of god Dami, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. there IS NO ASIAN MMORPG WITH MORE SUBSCRBERS THEN WOW. Those are ACCOUNTS CREATED. not SUBSCRIBERS.
You want to know those games? who actually DO have million subscribers? Lineage and Lineage 2. both of them are good games. so there goes your theory. You should really start to actually read my posts before you open that mouth of yours. I said 6.5 million subscribers proved WoW is a good game, not the best. 6.5 million people won't pay for a low quality MMO. what makes WOW the best are the highest reviews and the amount of awards. period. fact. end of discussion.
about me keep bringing up the million part, the awards and reviews is because thats basicly all that proves WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there. The only thing you come up with is your own opinion about the raid game.
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you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
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WoW is a great game it allows u to explore a whole new world and much more freatures. You can do anything just no trading items cuz it retardly binds onto you once u pick it up, u must get pts from guilds and do A LOT of guild quests and other crap that could take months and months just to get the most powerful weapon in the game. Meanwhile Blizzard is making money off every sucker that is grinding their ass off for these virtual items. One thing about maplestory that beats blizzard anyday is becuz of its cashshop. The CashShop actually saves US the gamers time from doing a million bosses to get a item that two other guild memebers could get over u, and not to mention money u spend to do it. Cashshop = maybe 20 bucks for a item ur character really wants over 6 months each costin about 15 bucks. The last sweet thing about blizzard is that the are so strict they stop all kinds of cheatin method just so u dun pay other people money for the items, instead u invest ur money into them and play for a chance u could gain that item. Risky, but who gives a damn their just gamers. This is their life.
this isn't pro/con/turning about eve or any other game. just agreeing about the timesink statement and putting it into context... all games have a timesink it seems, some require you to get tendinitis, others don't.
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you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
In WoW, how guilds divvy up the items is pretty much up to the guild. And each one is different. I have seen some guilds get way too technical and in the long run it does create problems. The more you add to the plumbing, the easier it is to clog up the drain. My guild just uses a calender that anyone can post on. You just post the instance name, time, date, and item your looking for. Then the other guild members that want to go sign up on it. Everything else is up for grabs. BoEs are greeded, BoPs are passed and talked about. But if that item on the calender drops its yours.
Kai
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
1 - still don't see a link. hook it up. i commented on the reviewer's comments (in the awards thread) like "it'll take months and months to get to lvl 40+". yup, sounds like he played hundreds of hours.
2 - if you'd played ANY beta, then played retail, you'd understand why your comment is like saying "hey, i eat cheese, that means that hot dogs taste good". remember pvp in beta? what happened before it went retail?
i can't read, yet your post here and in the awards thread make no sense in light of actual facts. i'm sorry i burst your bubble about gamespot, lass. don't care if you cry or not. deal and grow up already.
seriously man, stop making up crap and post something real.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
you're right, they don't play it for ten minutes. the reviewer you like to point out --- played it for FIVE days~!!! seriously, i pity you.
You do know Gamespot and other reviewers have been given full access to the closed beta test, and actually had hundreds of hours spend in the game, right? Oh wait you don't know, because you can't read.
1 - still don't see a link. hook it up. i commented on the reviewer's comments (in the awards thread) like "it'll take months and months to get to lvl 40+". yup, sounds like he played hundreds of hours.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/bestof2004/day6w_2.html
"Some GameSpot editors have been happily playing World of Warcraft for
many hundreds of hours since the game's beta period commenced earlier
in 2004."
2 - if you'd played ANY beta, then played retail, you'd understand why your comment is like saying "hey, i eat cheese, that means that hot dogs taste good". remember pvp in beta? what happened before it went retail?
You did play the WoW beta, did you? If so, then you should know that the last couple of MONTHS of beta were the EXACT same as the retail game. pvp? It was the same. sure it happened a little less here and then after Battlegrounds apeared, but the PVP still is the same.
i can't read, yet your post here and in the awards thread make no sense in light of actual facts. i'm sorry i burst your bubble about gamespot, lass. don't care if you cry or not. deal and grow up already.
seriously man, stop making up crap and post something real.
thats funny, because your the one thats comming up with crap. oh don't even bother to bring up your "awards" topic. you didn't burst any bubbles, you wrote a few silly comments. learn the diffrence. I should grow up? your the one bashing a GAME in about every topic you can find. how sad.
you want the truth? you can't handle the truth!!!
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?