Originally posted by Hohbein You mean like........or perhaps.....
Do me a favor and preform a little experiment for me... k?
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll * Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands. * Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure. * Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend. * Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
Originally posted by Hohbein You mean like........
or perhaps.....
Do me a favor and preform a little experiment for me... k?
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll * Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands. * Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure. * Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend. * Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
Do me a favor and preform a little experiment for me... k?
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll * Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands. * Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure. * Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend. * Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll * Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands. * Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure. * Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend. * Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
What in the world? What ...? HUH? WHat the heck does that have to do with Flying planes and crashes? look... How large were those planes in the links that you showed? From the damage they don't look like they were much bigger than 12 seaters.. The plane that crashed in that field managed to crash into the ground and Everything just disintegrated with a couple pounds worth of debri? Come on fella... There have been other large planes in history that have crashed and they still found most of the pieces..... How does a plane Manage to great a 3 story hole in the ground...... and then dissappear...
What's your Wu Name? Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader "Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.." <i>ME<i>
Here are a couple of websites that actually show that there was wreckage found. I know it is more fun to believe that the U.S. government or some other secret society (free masons) pulled an elaborate hoax. Having worked for the U.S. government I can testify that there is not enough cooperation between the various departments to successfully accomplish something of this scale. They have a hard time just getting my pay right!
You must, as a degree of reason eliminate all the impossible, then whatever remaining - however unlikely is the cause. Planes cannot vaporize. They never have before and they did not that day. This I can prove.
Get ready for school.
The boiling point of aluminum is 4566 °F . This is the point at which it goes from liquid to gas. Most of the aircraft consists of this. There are about 47 tons of it in this air frame. The boiling point of iron - the primary component of steel is 5182 °F. The engines and gear are made up of this. There is about 13 tons of this in this air frame.
The maximum you can get JP-8 fuel to is 1796 degrees Fahrenheit. 4566 - 1796 = 2770F that need to be created by impact to vaporize the bulk of aluminum.
I know it has been a long time since chemistry class but you need this. The heat required for vaporization is 294,000J per mol of aluminum. Since 39% of this heat could be made up by the burning jet fuel. If it completely covered the aircraft and it was at max temperature. Which would require 5 times the aircraft's amount of maximum fuel to be aboard, but this I will overlook.
That only leaves about 177,000J of energy that needs to be made up by force of impact. Per Mol of aluminum.
There are 26.9815386 grams in a mol of aluminum.
So how much energy, in this case heat, does 27 grams make when it hits an object at 550mph? An immovable object for sake of equation.
Standard energy equation. Energy = 1/2 mass *velocity (sq)
When your parents tell you that speed kills in vehicle accidents THIS is why.
.026 kilograms * 887 kph (550 miles per hour) squared = energy
.026kg * 786854 = 20,458 Joules created by impact at 550 mph For a total of about 197,000 Joules applied to each mol of aluminum. Which is not enough to vaporize any of the aluminum or any of the steel. Titanium is even higher on the scale.
So just like Mythbusters I will find how fast it would need to be going to vaporize on contact with an immovable surface. 177,000 Joules is required on top of jet fuel heat.
177,000 /20,000 = 8.85 times faster than that
So 550mph * 8.85 = 4867.5 mph which is roughly Mach 7 would do it.
This is if the jet fuel was applied evenly over the entire airframe and if the entire airframe came to the surface at the same time. If the nose hits first it slows down the fuselage some and reduces the energy that will be needed for the tail of the aircraft.
This is why all aircraft disasters produce wreckage.
This is why it is scientifically impossible to vaporize an aircraft. Unless its going Mach 7. In a jet fuel fired furnace.
So do not give me conjecture about things vaporizing.
Originally posted by WantsumBier Here are a couple of websites that actually show that there was wreckage found. I know it is more fun to believe that the U.S. government or some other secret society (free masons) pulled an elaborate hoax. Having worked for the U.S. government I can testify that there is not enough cooperation between the various departments to successfully accomplish something of this scale. They have a hard time just getting my pay right!
The loose change video renamed to 911 cover up is found on google video. It attempts, and does a really good job of, highlighting the inconsistencies presented to us all that day. I would suggest everyone watch it at least once. The sound track is pretty well done too.
Originally posted by ZenNature Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by tedrick Then ridicule and blackball me.
You are ridiculous! And blackballed!
Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed. I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites. I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by ZenNature Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by tedrick Then ridicule and blackball me.
You are ridiculous! And blackballed!
Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed. I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites. I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
Originally posted by poopypants Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by ZenNature Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by tedrick Then ridicule and blackball me.
You are ridiculous! And blackballed!
Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed. I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites. I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
well, I don't want to go into lasers and missiles etc, without exploring all plausible natural explanations first.
Static discharge, now there's an idea I didn't consider or seen so far. The only problem I have with that is that the first "discharge", or "spark" light has a diameter broader than the airplane fuselage. Not just that, it's on the sunlit side of the building! It's one huge, quick, and bright, bright flash.
taken into consideration that an airplane has a diameter of about 5 meters (about 17 feet), this would be one hell of static discharge. If this were the case, airplanes would have to make sure they had neutral chagre before approaching any land object, including ariport buildings since the charge would remain during landing and taxing (rubber tires guaratee insulation).
Also, airplanes already have static discharging antennae all over their rear wing edges, so it's unlikely that such a high potential would build up.
Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by poopypants Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by ZenNature Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by tedrick Then ridicule and blackball me.
You are ridiculous! And blackballed!
Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed. I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites. I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
well, I don't want to go into lasers and missiles etc, without exploring all plausible natural explanations first.
Static discharge, now there's an idea I didn't consider or seen so far. The only problem I have with that is that the first "discharge", or "spark" light has a diameter broader than the airplane fuselage. Not just that, it's on the sunlit side of the building! It's one huge, quick, and bright, bright flash.
taken into consideration that an airplane has a diameter of about 5 meters (about 17 feet), this would be one hell of static discharge. If this were the case, airplanes would have to make sure they had neutral chagre before approaching any land object, including ariport buildings since the charge would remain during landing and taxing (rubber tires guaratee insulation).
Also, airplanes already have static discharging antennae all over their rear wing edges, so it's unlikely that such a high potential would build up.
I really don't know what it is, haven't given it much thought...but TBO i don't think it's relevant.
Originally posted by WantsumBier Here are a couple of websites that actually show that there was wreckage found. I know it is more fun to believe that the U.S. government or some other secret society (free masons) pulled an elaborate hoax. Having worked for the U.S. government I can testify that there is not enough cooperation between the various departments to successfully accomplish something of this scale. They have a hard time just getting my pay right!
Really those two sites huh? Too bad you're talking about the wrong plane crash. We are talking about flight NINETY THREE (that's 93) not Pentagon crash..... Dang I bet you had alot of people beat with that one....
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Originally posted by poopypantsI really don't know what it is, haven't given it much thought...but TBO i don't think it's relevant.
Well, when I first saw the first impact video, I thought it was some aberration or something, but then it happens on the second impact as well, in each recording of the impact, multiple viewing angles, etc. That's what really puzzled me and started me going.
I personally think that anything that happened that day is relevant, and there's quite a bit of unusual things happening that day which I am not even willing to get into for the sake of shortness of this thread. But this one thing, being the first in the sequence of events that day and since it's completely blatant but hidden at the same time (since it happens in a fraction of a second) is of great interest to me.
I just think we should be able to plausibly explain withing acceptable doubt what we see, but I just can't find a resonable explanation for it.
Originally posted by britoca Originally posted by poopypantsI really don't know what it is, haven't given it much thought...but TBO i don't think it's relevant.
Well, when I first saw the first impact video, I thought it was some aberration or something, but then it happens on the second impact as well, in each recording of the impact, multiple viewing angles, etc. That's what really puzzled me and started me going.
I personally think that anything that happened that day is relevant, and there's quite a bit of unusual things happening that day which I am not even willing to get into for the sake of shortness of this thread. But this one thing, being the first in the sequence of events that day and since it's completely blatant but hidden at the same time (since it happens in a fraction of a second) is of great interest to me.
I just think we should be able to plausibly explain withing acceptable doubt what we see, but I just can't find a resonable explanation for it.
I feel for ya...there's a hella lot of stuff for the discerning person to consider. But don't let that one thing distract you from all the other egregious things that happened on 9/11 and in the days leading up to 9/11, and ever since 9/11. But heck, do some research and see what you come up with. A good place to start would be the physics department of your most local university...specifically atmospheric physics.
Well at least you know that you cant vaporize aluminum without moving at least at Mach 7. Then colliding with an immovable object inside of a jet fuel fired furnace. Which is good to know.
Originally posted by methane47 Originally posted by WantsumBier Here are a couple of websites that actually show that there was wreckage found. I know it is more fun to believe that the U.S. government or some other secret society (free masons) pulled an elaborate hoax. Having worked for the U.S. government I can testify that there is not enough cooperation between the various departments to successfully accomplish something of this scale. They have a hard time just getting my pay right!
Really those two sites huh? Too bad you're talking about the wrong plane crash. We are talking about flight NINETY THREE (that's 93) not Pentagon crash..... Dang I bet you had alot of people beat with that one....
Sorry, I knew it was flight 93, but both flights share similar debunkers. Agreed, bad example. I will try and make it more clear cut next time.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
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Do me a favor and preform a little experiment for me... k?
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll
* Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands.
* Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure.
* Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend.
* Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
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Do me a favor and preform a little experiment for me... k?
* First, Get a Paper Towel Roll
* Next, Put your hand on both openings... you know long ways. So that the paper towel roll is between your hands.
* Then, Push. Don't try to crush it. Just apply a moderate amount of pressure.
* Now, Write down what happend on a peice of paper. (the paper should be blank because nothing at all happend.
* Finally, Turn the paper towel roll on it's side so that your hands are on the curved surface and push with half as much pressure as you used when doing it long ways... hell use your index finger and thumb if you want.
What in the world? What ...? HUH? WHat the heck does that have to do with Flying planes and crashes?
look... How large were those planes in the links that you showed? From the damage they don't look like they were much bigger than 12 seaters.. The plane that crashed in that field managed to crash into the ground and Everything just disintegrated with a couple pounds worth of debri? Come on fella... There have been other large planes in history that have crashed and they still found most of the pieces..... How does a plane Manage to great a 3 story hole in the ground...... and then dissappear...
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Here are a couple of websites that actually show that there was wreckage found. I know it is more fun to believe that the U.S. government or some other secret society (free masons) pulled an elaborate hoax. Having worked for the U.S. government I can testify that there is not enough cooperation between the various departments to successfully accomplish something of this scale. They have a hard time just getting my pay right!
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.htmlI shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
You must, as a degree of reason eliminate all the impossible, then whatever remaining - however unlikely is the
cause. Planes cannot vaporize. They never have before and they did not that day.
This I can prove.
Get ready for school.
The boiling point of aluminum is 4566 °F . This is the point at which it goes from liquid to gas.
Most of the aircraft consists of this. There are about 47 tons of it in this air frame.
The boiling point of iron - the primary component of steel is 5182 °F.
The engines and gear are made up of this.
There is about 13 tons of this in this air frame.
The maximum you can get JP-8 fuel to is 1796 degrees Fahrenheit.
4566 - 1796 =
2770F that need to be created by impact to vaporize the bulk of aluminum.
I know it has been a long time since chemistry class but you need this.
The heat required for vaporization is 294,000J per mol of aluminum.
Since 39% of this heat could be made up by the burning jet fuel. If it completely covered the aircraft and it was at max temperature. Which would require 5 times the aircraft's amount of maximum fuel to be aboard, but this I will overlook.
That only leaves about 177,000J of energy that needs to be made up by force of impact. Per Mol of aluminum.
There are 26.9815386 grams in a mol of aluminum.
So how much energy, in this case heat, does 27 grams make when it hits an object at 550mph? An immovable object for sake of equation.
Standard energy equation.
Energy = 1/2 mass *velocity (sq)
When your parents tell you that speed kills in vehicle accidents THIS is why.
.026 kilograms * 887 kph (550 miles per hour) squared = energy
.026kg * 786854 = 20,458 Joules created by impact at 550 mph
For a total of about 197,000 Joules applied to each mol of aluminum. Which is not enough to vaporize any of the aluminum or any of the steel. Titanium is even higher on the scale.
So just like Mythbusters I will find how fast it would need to be going to vaporize on contact with an immovable surface.
177,000 Joules is required on top of jet fuel heat.
177,000 /20,000 = 8.85 times faster than that
So 550mph * 8.85 = 4867.5 mph which is roughly Mach 7 would do it.
This is if the jet fuel was applied evenly over the entire airframe and if the entire airframe came to the surface at the same time. If the nose hits first it slows down the fuselage some and reduces the energy that will be needed for the tail of the aircraft.
This is why all aircraft disasters produce wreckage.
This is why it is scientifically impossible to vaporize an aircraft. Unless its going Mach 7. In a jet fuel fired furnace.
So do not give me conjecture about things vaporizing.
It is impossible in this case.
Watch the looose change video.
Both of those sites have been discredited.
By who? (I'm interested not trying to start a flame)
Watch the looose change video.
Where is it?
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
The loose change video renamed to 911 cover up is found on google video. It attempts, and does a really good job of, highlighting the inconsistencies presented to us all that day. I would suggest everyone watch it at least once. The sound track is pretty well done too.
You can find the Loose Change Video Here.
Enjoy.
Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed.
I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites.
I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
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Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed.
I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites.
I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
Debating the 9/11 "conspiracy" is kinda like beating your head against a brick wall.
No matter how much you do it or how hard you hit it, you're not going to get through and the only thing you accomplish is giving yourself a headache.
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Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed.
I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites.
I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
well, I don't want to go into lasers and missiles etc, without exploring all plausible natural explanations first.
Static discharge, now there's an idea I didn't consider or seen so far. The only problem I have with that is that the first "discharge", or "spark" light has a diameter broader than the airplane fuselage. Not just that, it's on the sunlit side of the building! It's one huge, quick, and bright, bright flash.
taken into consideration that an airplane has a diameter of about 5 meters (about 17 feet), this would be one hell of static discharge. If this were the case, airplanes would have to make sure they had neutral chagre before approaching any land object, including ariport buildings since the charge would remain during landing and taxing (rubber tires guaratee insulation).
Also, airplanes already have static discharging antennae all over their rear wing edges, so it's unlikely that such a high potential would build up.
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Seriously, if there's anything REALLY good to pick on that day it's the flashes of light as the airplanes impact the buildings.
Now that, I haven't found a good explanation for, anywhere.
You're kidding, right? "REALLY good to pick?"... Because all that broken glass and reflective material from the building AND the plane combined couldn't possibly reflect any degree of sunlight towards the viewer? Are you in the category of people that say there's no possible explanation for a photo of a UFO sighting that mysteriously resembles a frisbee flying over a local park? Seriously... people need to exercise their brains just a little more these days before they take a bite out of any random thing they're fed.
I don't think u understand which part I am talking about. I am talking EXACTLY at the moment of impact, the 1/23rd of a second captured as the airplane touches the buildings with their noses. (I think NTSC works at 23 frames /second, if not, it's probably 30 frames /second or a number around there)
In both the WTC impacts there are extremely bright flashes of light at the point of impact. Unfortunately, it's impossible to see if the flashes ocurrs just before, exactly at, or slightly after the impact, since the video unfortunately doesn't have the resolution to accurately tell just how close to the moment of impact the flash really is taking place. I assume it's at impact or immediately after (1/23 or 1/46 th seconds just after impact)
The flashes of light are brighter that the fuel combustion plumes, they are also shinier than all the other impact material/ejecta. See in the clips how an entire airplane dives through the building and all you see are grey plumes of debris as the body continues to go in, the engines and the wings hit the sides of the building and the tail eventualy tears through as well. There are no similar flashes of light for any on these moments during the impact events.
The flashes are significantly brighter than the glass shards reflections/cement debris as you suggest. Not just that, but they occupy 1 frame in the first impact and 2 frames on the second impact, and then they vanish. There's not apparent dust, no smoke, nothing, just light. In contrast, the debris plumes you are talking about last for many many frames and linger in the air for several seconds.
The only explanation I have for it is that all the avionics components and electronics are right by the cockpit of the airplane, around it and below it. Maybe if all those electronics would be suddenly slammed and smashed in a fraction of a second they're spark in aspectacular way?
I have watched countless airplane impact footage (i'm into this stuff) and in none of them have I ever witness this effect. Ever. The airplanes always slam and crumble and there's really no light until the fuel tanks leek/burst/rupture and the fuel ignites.
I am baffled by what those flashes of light could possibly be.
I've heard all kinds of wild theories about missiles or lasers...but I really think it's nothing more than static discharge.
well, I don't want to go into lasers and missiles etc, without exploring all plausible natural explanations first.
Static discharge, now there's an idea I didn't consider or seen so far. The only problem I have with that is that the first "discharge", or "spark" light has a diameter broader than the airplane fuselage. Not just that, it's on the sunlit side of the building! It's one huge, quick, and bright, bright flash.
taken into consideration that an airplane has a diameter of about 5 meters (about 17 feet), this would be one hell of static discharge. If this were the case, airplanes would have to make sure they had neutral chagre before approaching any land object, including ariport buildings since the charge would remain during landing and taxing (rubber tires guaratee insulation).
Also, airplanes already have static discharging antennae all over their rear wing edges, so it's unlikely that such a high potential would build up.
I really don't know what it is, haven't given it much thought...but TBO i don't think it's relevant.
Too bad you're talking about the wrong plane crash.
We are talking about flight NINETY THREE (that's 93) not Pentagon crash..... Dang I bet you had alot of people beat with that one....
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I personally think that anything that happened that day is relevant, and there's quite a bit of unusual things happening that day which I am not even willing to get into for the sake of shortness of this thread. But this one thing, being the first in the sequence of events that day and since it's completely blatant but hidden at the same time (since it happens in a fraction of a second) is of great interest to me.
I just think we should be able to plausibly explain withing acceptable doubt what we see, but I just can't find a resonable explanation for it.
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I personally think that anything that happened that day is relevant, and there's quite a bit of unusual things happening that day which I am not even willing to get into for the sake of shortness of this thread. But this one thing, being the first in the sequence of events that day and since it's completely blatant but hidden at the same time (since it happens in a fraction of a second) is of great interest to me.
I just think we should be able to plausibly explain withing acceptable doubt what we see, but I just can't find a resonable explanation for it.
I feel for ya...there's a hella lot of stuff for the discerning person to consider. But don't let that one thing distract you from all the other egregious things that happened on 9/11 and in the days leading up to 9/11, and ever since 9/11. But heck, do some research and see what you come up with. A good place to start would be the physics department of your most local university...specifically atmospheric physics.
Well at least you know that you cant vaporize aluminum without moving at least at Mach 7. Then colliding with an immovable object inside of a jet fuel fired furnace. Which is good to know.
Too bad you're talking about the wrong plane crash.
We are talking about flight NINETY THREE (that's 93) not Pentagon crash..... Dang I bet you had alot of people beat with that one....
Sorry, I knew it was flight 93, but both flights share similar debunkers. Agreed, bad example. I will try and make it more clear cut next time.
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