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LOTRO reviewed on launch by MMORPG.COM, but Vanguard hasn't yet?
JonMichael
Member Posts: 796
I was surprised tonight when I logged in to see a review already posted on the launch day of LOTRO. I thought it would have followed in a few days to a week.
Then I got to thinking I never remembered a review of Vanguard, so I looked for one and can't seem to find it. Hasn't that game been out since the end of January?
Then I got to thinking I never remembered a review of Vanguard, so I looked for one and can't seem to find it. Hasn't that game been out since the end of January?
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Comments
LOTRO had a surprisingly long open-Beta with an extremely stable and relatively complete feature set. I'm sure that's why it got a day-of-release review.
Vanguard, on the other hand, was released 3-6 months too early due to a fiscal crisis. Too bad for Vanguard, because it's a good game with some interesting interpretations.
That is hardly an excuse. Either MMORPG.com had credibility or it doesn't. How can a site that supports MMOs hope to maintain any credibility if the SITE decides when to review a product? Do magazines that review cars, or movies, or any other product wait? I can see the headlines in the Hollywood Reporter now: "We decided to wait for the director's cut of Miami Vice before we review it."
Everyone of you would think that was perposterous.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
That is hardly an excuse. Either MMORPG.com had credibility or it doesn't. How can a site that supports MMOs hope to maintain any credibility if the SITE decides when to review a product? Do magazines that review cars, or movies, or any other product wait? I can see the headlines in the Hollywood Reporter now: "We decided to wait for the director's cut of Miami Vice before we review it."
Everyone of you would think that was perposterous.
Perhaps it speaks ill of Vangaurd.Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
LoL hes right and cars get diffrent reviews all the time some when they come out some when they sell well some before they even come out so whats your point
Reviewing Vanguard at this point would not be fair. Its not even near completion. Like people stated before me, Vanguard is not finished.
Atleast, thats what I think
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Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
Complete BS. Magazines and newspapers thrive on getting the scoop for product and entertainment reviews. That is pure marketing 101. That is also why the majority of movie reviewers are often given pre-screenings together, no playing favorites. No entertainment magazine worth its subscription price would delay a review of a film.
Plenty of other sites more professional than this one have reviewed both Vanguard and LOTRO.
Your counter argument fails because it is a strawman argument.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
Complete BS. Magazines and newspapers thrive on getting the scoop for product and entertainment reviews. That is pure marketing 101. That is also why the majority of movie reviewers are often given pre-screenings together, no playing favorites. No entertainment magazine worth its subscription price would delay a review of a film.
Plenty of other sites more professional than this one have reviewed both Vanguard and LOTRO.
Your counter argument fails because it is a strawman argument.
Ok so next time you try and make this point only use movies it still does not matter you still dont have a point and please post other reveiws here thanks----ITS A TRAP!!!----
When a company launches a product the consumer assumes it is ready for consumption. So is it fair that Vanguard be reviewed in the state it was released at - yep! 100% yep!
True Vanguard was released early, but the only players that knew were ones that followed it on fan sites - your average Joe/Jill gamer that walks into a game store and sees it setting on the shelf isn't going to know it was released 6 months to a year early - there is no warning label on it saying as such and no quote from Brad saying SOE and Sigil decided to release early due to financial reasons.
You cannot reward companies who put out shoddy products by giving them a grace period to sort them out! It's not doing a service to us, the gamers. It gives the impression that it is 'ok' to release substandard products which it is NOT ok to do.
It's a reflection of the games quality when you are able to get a review out within 24 hours of release.
Your reviewers may not compare MMO's when reviewing but we the gaming public do.
Reviewers should treat all games the same with their reviewing criteria. If LOTRO gets a review after one day of release then so should Vanguard and all other MMO's!!!!!!!
You must not leave until you free Arlos and have gathered your party safely in this hallway.
Hasn't poor Vanguard gotten beat up enough?
Average 6.9 of 33 reviews
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/vanguard/review.html?mode=web&om_act=convert&om_clk=stats&tag=stats;theysay
As much as I love trolling mmorpg.com, the reviews here...............
Sometime it seems the reviewers don't actually put enough time in the games and make a lot of assumptions.
Stick with a site like gamespot that compiles / links / averages reviews in addition to making them.
This is why a review would not be wise to do:
http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19702
and
http://vanguard.tentonhammer.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1361
Lets wait what this 'new vision' is.
Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
Complete BS. Magazines and newspapers thrive on getting the scoop for product and entertainment reviews. That is pure marketing 101. That is also why the majority of movie reviewers are often given pre-screenings together, no playing favorites. No entertainment magazine worth its subscription price would delay a review of a film.
Plenty of other sites more professional than this one have reviewed both Vanguard and LOTRO.
Your counter argument fails because it is a strawman argument.
Ok so next time you try and make this point only use movies it still does not matter you still dont have a point and please post other reveiws here thanksJust because you cannot understand the point doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and quite clearly I might add.
Now you seem to have this fantasy that we are here discussing the lack of a VG review because of the poor LOTRO review. Not true. But I will give you this. After reading the review for LOTRO, I was curious how MMORPG.COM reviewed Vanguard because, quite frankly, I hadn't given a damn. I assumed they did write a review. The fact that they didn't write a review was shocking to me.
Moreover, if they wait six months to a year to review VG, it is completely disingenuous, and rewards poor MMO business practices. Not only that, it all feels a bit suspect to me. What is MMORPG.COM afraid of? What are they hiding from or behind? Is the Staff at MMORPG.COM so behind the times that they still have the old skool MMO mentality that says launching games in crap condition is okay?
What criteria are used to determine when the game should be reviewed?
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Yes. They frequently do. Some games have a review on the newsstands the day they are released...other games don't see a review until a month or more later. The same is true of any trade magazine.
Your argument fails because it is factually inaccurate.
Complete BS. Magazines and newspapers thrive on getting the scoop for product and entertainment reviews. That is pure marketing 101. That is also why the majority of movie reviewers are often given pre-screenings together, no playing favorites. No entertainment magazine worth its subscription price would delay a review of a film.
Plenty of other sites more professional than this one have reviewed both Vanguard and LOTRO.
Your counter argument fails because it is a strawman argument.
Ok so next time you try and make this point only use movies it still does not matter you still dont have a point and please post other reveiws here thanksJust because you cannot understand the point doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and quite clearly I might add.
Now you seem to have this fantasy that we are here discussing the lack of a VG review because of the poor LOTRO review. Not true. But I will give you this. After reading the review for LOTRO, I was curious how MMORPG.COM reviewed Vanguard because, quite frankly, I hadn't given a damn. I assumed they did write a review. The fact that they didn't write a review was shocking to me.
Moreover, if they wait six months to a year to review VG, it is completely disingenuous, and rewards poor MMO business practices. Not only that, it all feels a bit suspect to me. What is MMORPG.COM afraid of? What are they hiding from or behind? Is the Staff at MMORPG.COM so behind the times that they still have the old skool MMO mentality that says launching games in crap condition is okay?
What criteria are used to determine when the game should be reviewed?
I will agree the LotRO review was very poor, and the reviewer didn't even get to mid twenties content , yet. What gives mmorpg.com , are we spreading our biased wings again ????who me ?
That is hardly an excuse. Either MMORPG.com had credibility or it doesn't. How can a site that supports MMOs hope to maintain any credibility if the SITE decides when to review a product? Do magazines that review cars, or movies, or any other product wait? I can see the headlines in the Hollywood Reporter now: "We decided to wait for the director's cut of Miami Vice before we review it."
Everyone of you would think that was perposterous.
I agree with you completely, Cerion. It certainly doesn't put MMORPG.com in a good light if they have no standard procedures for reviewing new games and apply it to EVERY game they have listed on here.
It's senseless for them to review Vanguard now since it's been out for three months, but I would seriously be interested in hearing from the staff here as to the reason why it wasn't reviewed.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Hmm if they wanted to wait till it can achieve a better score they could perhaps rereviewed it after a year or so. That would perhaps(1) convey the state it is in now, and (2) illustrate its improvements after a year. Just a thought anyway.
That is hardly an excuse. Either MMORPG.com had credibility or it doesn't. How can a site that supports MMOs hope to maintain any credibility if the SITE decides when to review a product? Do magazines that review cars, or movies, or any other product wait? I can see the headlines in the Hollywood Reporter now: "We decided to wait for the director's cut of Miami Vice before we review it."
Everyone of you would think that was perposterous.
Im not a Vanguard hater just wanted to get that out first i actually love the game but obviously they did not rate it as in there eyes as well as others it is not complete so how can you rate something that is not complete like having a cheese burger with no meat and cheese and being asked to rate it "ahhh..... could have done with some more pickles"Sorry for the crap analogy
That is hardly an excuse. Either MMORPG.com had credibility or it doesn't. How can a site that supports MMOs hope to maintain any credibility if the SITE decides when to review a product? Do magazines that review cars, or movies, or any other product wait? I can see the headlines in the Hollywood Reporter now: "We decided to wait for the director's cut of Miami Vice before we review it."
Everyone of you would think that was perposterous.
Im not a Vanguard hater just wanted to get that out first i actually love the game but obviously they did not rate it as in there eyes as well as others it is not complete so how can you rate something that is not complete like having a cheese burger with no meat and cheese and being asked to rate it "ahhh..... could have done with some more pickles"Sorry for the crap analogy
Not trying to be a jerk here, but regardless of whether it was ready for launch or not, Sigil/SOE expected people to pay for it. Therefore, MMORPG.com, being a site that reviews games that have launched, SHOULD have reviewed it regardless of the shape it was in.
After all, isn't that what reviews are for? To educate the public as to the state of the product?
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Or is this just another "Vanguard sucks" thread? It's interesting that you only want the same treatment for Vanguard, not for every other MMO reviewed by this site. Only Vanguard, which would obviously get a bad review. How convenient. I'll give you credit for using the LOTRO launch-day angle, but this post would have been more at home tacked on to one of the five hundred other "omg VG suxors!" threads.